23-03-2002 23:19									#31
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I like the spanish language , despite the fact I don't know it. it has one great quality. each letter means exactly the same sound every time. not like in english.

	23-03-2002 23:40									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo http://www.lib.utexas.edu/subject/i...uthors18th.html That link just made you look like an ******* wiggy, those are Spanish authors from just the 18th century. I would shut up if I were you.

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING. I'm NOT DISPUTING that SPANISH PEOPLE WRITE BOOKS however I do have a major beef with anyone who claims that THEY WRITE GOOD BOOKS. Classics, like ol Homer used to crank out, are TOTALLY ABSENT from the Spanish COMMUNITY OF LITERATURE. And that's mainly BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE IS CRAP.

And I'm sorry if you were offended by that. But it's true. MrWhere, if you're really into drinking so damn much before you go to sleep like that, get some help.

	23-03-2002 23:42									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING. I'm NOT DISPUTING that SPANISH PEOPLE WRITE BOOKS however I do have a major beef with anyone who claims that THEY WRITE GOOD BOOKS. Classics, like ol Homer used to crank out, are TOTALLY ABSENT from the Spanish COMMUNITY OF LITERATURE. [/b]

Erhm, erhm.... Spanish Literature is a **** load better than english literature, in my opinion. And Spanish authors right good books.

quote: And I'm sorry if you were offended by me calling your language useless. But it is. And MrWhere, if you're really into drinking so damn much before you go to sleep like that, get some help.

And you are racist ******* who has no appreciate towards anybody different than you. You are almost nazi like. I think you better examine the facts before saying something utterly and completely stupid.

	23-03-2002 23:43									#34
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Of course, I'd say that so-called classics such as Shakespeare and Homer, etc., are **** compared to modern novels and such. Just my nekulturny opinion though

	23-03-2002 23:45									#35
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Homer ? What he has to do with english literature?

	23-03-2002 23:46									#36
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FIRST OFF, GIANNYBLOKUGHUH, QUOTE ME PROPERLY OR THIS CONVERSATION CANNOT TAKE PLACE.

quote: Erhm, erhm.... Spanish Literature is a **** load better than english literature, in my opinion. And Spanish authors right good books.

It's "Write" not "Right", Gianny. Anyway, gimme one Spanish book you consider a classic for the ages. Right now.

quote: And you are racist ******* who has no appreciate towards anybody different than you. You are almost nazi like. I think you better examine the facts before saying something utterly and completely stupid.

Your grammar is horrible. Maybe that explains your hatred of the English language, I dunno.

	23-03-2002 23:47									#37
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quote: Homer ? What he has to do with english literature?

Fine, insert some famous English writer. Shakespeare is the only one I can name unless we are talking political philosophy.

	23-03-2002 23:50									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf It's "Write" not "Right", Gianny. Anyway, gimme one Spanish book you consider a classic for the ages. Right now.

Again you dumbshit, english is not my first language.

quote: Your grammar is horrible. Maybe that explains your hatred of the English language, I dunno.

And your grammar is horrible too. You can't even make complete sentences before screwing up.

Edit: Spelling.

	23-03-2002 23:54									#39
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I am not aruging that the Spanish language is superior to the English one due to it's literature. You are. By that logic French is superior to English.



and we don't want that to happen , right?

	23-03-2002 23:56									#40
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quote: Again you dumbshit, english is not my first language.

I thought your excuse last time was that you had just typed a long report and as a result your hands were painfully tired?! WHERE DOES IT END, GIANCARLO? WHEN DO YOU DRAW THE LINE?

Anyway, NAME A SPANISH CLASSIC WORK OF LITERATURE RIGHT HERE AND NOW.

quote: Edit: Spelling.

Good one. For the record he mixed up "Fast" and "First".

	24-03-2002 00:12									#41
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I'd also like to point out that MrWhere also has some English grammar problems.

quote: My point is that EVERYONE would do well to learn other ways of expression, and the only reason I singled out America is because

That's from a little earlier in this thread. Reasons cannot be "because...", Reasons can pretty much only be "that...". To any native or decent English speaker, that should at least have raised a red flag.

That's not relevant in casual conversation, however in a thread like this it's important to note that my opposition probably doesn't have much of a handle on the language at all, and therefore doesn't know nearly enough about it to put together a strong arguement against it.

On a related note, apparently Giancarlo has run off to read a few Spanish fables or something. Oh wait.

	24-03-2002 00:12									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Never heard of the epic El Pollo Diablo? No.

So you have never seen the great dramatisation as performed by Guybrush Threepwood?

	24-03-2002 01:10									#43
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Wiglaf, can you read/write/understand spanish?

	24-03-2002 01:13									#44
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Are you kidding? He can barely read/write/understand English.

EDIT: Come on widdle Wiggums, time to come clean. Whose DL are you? This is getting really old.

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	24-03-2002 01:19									#45
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quote: Originally posted by LTEC! Wiglaf, can you read/write/understand spanish?

Own goal

	24-03-2002 01:20									#46
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LTEC, as Spanish is nothing more than a poorly done useless knock-off of Latin, I'm no real stranger to it.

Guynemer, where are you from anyway? And don't give me that "Ann Arbor" crap.

	24-03-2002 01:27									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Guynemer, where are you from anyway? And don't give me that "Ann Arbor" crap.

Where am I from? Existentally speaking, who can say? Where are any of us from? Stardust? The collective subconscious? The dreams of a newborn deity? The wombs of our mothers? The genetic dictates of billions of years of evolution? Such a fascinating question you've asked, Wiggums.

Anyway, the answer is Ann Arbor.

Now, I've answered your question. Kindly answer mine. Whose DL are you?

	24-03-2002 01:28									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf LTEC, as Spanish is nothing more than a poorly done useless knock-off of Latin, I'm no real stranger to it.

Could you enlighten me as to the best translation of El Pollo Diabolo then please?

	24-03-2002 01:44									#49
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quote: The language has had no great works of literature

El Ingenioso Hidalgo Don Quixote de la Mancha has to account for something... Federico Garcia Lorca, Miguel de Unamuno, Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra... these are NOT renown Spanish writers. Mario Vargas Llosa, Gabriel Garcia Marquez did NOT create a whole new school of writing that characterised Latin American XXth century literature. Jorge Luis Borges, Julio Cortazar, Adolfo Bioy Casares are not renown authors... of course they're not...

quote: Ancient languages that so many Spanish-speaking people tend to defame, like Greek or Latin, have stood the test of time

Who defamed Greek or Latin?

quote: mainly due to the fact that they housed some of the best stories and epics known to man

El Ingenioso Hidalgo Don Quixote de la Mancha, El Poema del Mio Cid, these of course are not good stories, and of course, they haven't stood the test of time...

quote: also because of the amazing and life-changing dose of culture/history you get along with it. Try saying the same about Spanish

Yes, I think that Edipo Rex is showing at the local theatre's in Latin... Wiggy, do you know Latin or Greek? I doubt it...

quote: A language is significant if it leaves or is leaving a lasting mark on literature in general. A language is not significant if it has no great works of written art and is instead only used worth a damn in spoken conversation and/or only exists as some sort of method for a dangerous riot aimed at North America to bring down English. (You pretty much said it did yourself)

Just because you're an ignorant fool doesn't mean that there is no great literature in Spanish....

quote: Classics, like ol Homer used to crank out, are TOTALLY ABSENT from the Spanish COMMUNITY OF LITERATURE.

Name a single American who's written something of the fame and repute of The Iliad and The Oddyssey?

*jeopardy music plays*

quote: It's "Write" not "Right", Gianny. Anyway, gimme one Spanish book you consider a classic for the ages. Right now.

I'll tell you a few: El Ingenioso Hidalgo Don Quixote de la Mancha. El Poema del Mio Cid. El Amor en los Tiempos del Colera. Cien Años de Soledad. El Aleph.

quote: LTEC, as Spanish is nothing more than a poorly done useless knock-off of Latin, I'm no real stranger to it.

English is a knock off French, German and Latin...

Wiglaf, la ignorancia que se evidencia a traves de tus repetidas explosiones de estupidez y paranoia en estos foros es calamitosa. Sos el ejemplo de lo que es el tipico yanqui imbecil e ignorante, me recuerdas al General Ripper de la pelicula de Kubrick. Si, si, has descubierto la conspiracion internacional castiza, vamos a envenenarte tus preciados fluidos corporales, y despues te vamos a destazar y eviscerar y darle de comer a los perros de la guerra.

	24-03-2002 02:00									#50
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Anyhow, this is pointless. The only language whose literature sucks almost uniformly is French.

	24-03-2002 02:03									#51
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Anyhow, this is pointless. The only language whose literature sucks almost uniformly is French.

I was under the impression that making such a statement was a criminal offense in your native Quebec.

	24-03-2002 02:05									#52
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Possibly. I'm about to hang an English-only sign out my window. Call Amnesty International.

	24-03-2002 02:11									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo http://www.lib.utexas.edu/subject/i...uthors18th.html That link just made you look like an ******* wiggy, those are Spanish authors from just the 18th century. I would shut up if I were you.

Sorry Gian, that won't work. It's not a Fox link...

	24-03-2002 02:17									#54
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Gosh, El Awrence is such a great guy... he helped backed me up for once while I went out to eat. Sorry wiggy, I went out for lunch. I have a lot of respect for Borges, an Argentine writer (correct me if I am wrong).

quote: el tipico yanqui imbecil

Wiggy = Brainwashed White Supremacist Whore

Wiggy is the worst of the worst racist pigs out there. Next he will be going after Asians. This is just getting stupid, though it is pretty damn funny. I can't believe what wiggy is actually saying... he went from a funny idiot, to a funny *******.

	24-03-2002 02:18									#55
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quote: take this bullshit and shove up it your ass

I'd just like to announce that I love this sentence. Love it love it LLLLOVE IT! It's so simple, yet so brilliant! No, I'm not being sarcastic - it's just great! It's something we all should use in our everyday life!

Why is everyone looking at me like that? I'm not being sarcastic, honest guv!

Anyway, Wiglaughable, this thread yet again demostrates your complete ability to dodge inconvenient facts. People have named classic Spanish books - Don Quijote and works of Gabriel Garcia Marquez, for example - but since facts don't suit you, like they never do, you ignore them. Then again, you're a DL.

	24-03-2002 02:53									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Latin's still taught in schools because of religious texts and services, true, but also because of the amazing and life-changing dose of culture/history you get along with it.

Which obviously somehow passed you by

	24-03-2002 02:55									#57
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quote: Then again, you're a DL.

Whatever. Fall back on that all you want Steffuski.

quote: Wiggy is the worst of the worst racist pigs out there. Next he will be going after Asians. This is just getting stupid, though it is pretty damn funny. I can't believe what wiggy is actually saying... he went from a funny idiot, to a funny *******.

Since when were you all for PC, Gianny? Truly disappointing.

quote: Name a single American who's written something of the fame and repute of The Iliad and The Oddyssey?

Last time I checked this was about language, not nationality.

quote: Who defamed Greek or Latin?

That drunk MrWhere guy.

quote: El Ingenioso Hidalgo Don Quixote de la Mancha has to account for something... Federico Garcia Lorca, Miguel de Unamuno, Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra... these are NOT renown Spanish writers. Mario Vargas Llosa, Gabriel Garcia Marquez did NOT create a whole new school of writing that characterised Latin American XXth century literature. Jorge Luis Borges, Julio Cortazar, Adolfo Bioy Casares are not renown authors... of course they're not...

I'll have to check some of those great, moving epics out sometime soon at my local library. It's a wonder half of them are totally unknown and lack any sort of cultural impact, but that's ok.

	24-03-2002 03:00									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Since when were you all for PC, Gianny? Truly disappointing.

Huh?

quote: I'll have to check some of those great, moving epics out sometime soon at my local library. It's a wonder half of them are totally unknown and lack any sort of cultural impact, but that's ok.

Yeah you do so... and cultural impact? Most certainly yes. If you disagree... I have one thing to say: What the **** have you been smoking?

	24-03-2002 03:04									#59
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Actually Wiglaf is RIGHT about Spanish literature before the 20th century. Most of it is crap.

The reason for this was the censorship of the Catholic Church, prevailed throughout most of the Latin world.

	24-03-2002 03:04									#60
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quote: I'll have to check some of those great, moving epics out sometime soon at my local library. It's a wonder half of them are totally unknown and lack any sort of cultural impact, but that's ok.

You can also check out "Man of la Mancha" a musical based on El Ingenioso Hidalgo, you can also rent "El Cid" starring Charlton Heston based on El Mio Cid.

I can tell you that just because some ignorant American doesn't know they exist doesn't mean they don't have a cultural impact anywhere else. Any self respecting scholar will have heard about both these books, as well as about Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Jorge Luis Borges or Mario Vargas Llosa. Secondly, why would literature in Spanish have any impact on the US culture? It's stupid to say that. In the same way, English literature has had very little impact on Spanish culture. In the same way that Russian literature has had little impact on African culture.

But, oh, right, you're some ignorant American who thinks that American culture is the only worthwhile thing and when someone points at anything outside of the US on maps you probably reply "there be dragons"...