24-03-2002 03:06									#61
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quote: Yeah you do so... and cultural impact? Most certainly yes. If you disagree... I have one thing to say: What the **** have you been smoking?

You really have become a PC lover recently. "Oh, he thinks the language is crap, he's a racist. Wawawawawa. Wiggy must be a nazi too. What an evil evil man he is!"

And don't tell me Adolfo Bioy Casares is the next Homer or whatever.

	24-03-2002 03:08									#62
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Awrence... don't argue with that redneck... he obviously doesn't know a world exists outside the little redneck town he lives in.

	24-03-2002 03:08									#63
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He knows there's something beyond that sea, otherwise what are these arab thingies the tv is talking about?

	24-03-2002 03:10									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf You really have become a PC lover recently. "Oh, he thinks the language is crap, he's a racist. Wawawawawa. Wiggy must be a nazi too. What an evil evil man he is!"

Look you got no respect for others... so why should I respect you?

BTW, I am a conservative Partido Popular supporter in my country, so I can tell a difference between a nice person and a redneck.

	24-03-2002 03:10									#65
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You two can talk yourself into thinking your language is important all you want. Go right ahead.

quote: BTW, I am a conservative Partido Popular supporter in my country, so I can tell a difference between a nice person and a redneck.

I ALREADY EXPELLED YOU FROM THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY whether it be here or in JAPAN about a MONTH AGO. So no you totally lose the right to officially call me a redneck as well I'm afraid.

	24-03-2002 03:12									#66
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence He knows there's something beyond that sea, otherwise what are these arab thingies the tv is talking about?

What I meant was he doesn't know of any culture beyond his own... he only knows the crappy american pop culture I dislike.

quote: You two can talk yourself into thinking your language is important all you want. Go right ahead.

And what is so special about American English?

quote: I ALREADY EXPELLED YOU FROM THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY whether it be here or in JAPAN about a MONTH AGO. So no you totally lose the right to officially call me a redneck as well I'm afraid.

From what I remember, Conservatives aren't Nazis. You, my friend, are a nazi. And no I expelled you from the conservative party. You now have to join the nazi party, where you belong.

	24-03-2002 03:13									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf You really have become a PC lover recently. "Oh, he thinks the language is crap, he's a racist. Wawawawawa. Wiggy must be a nazi too. What an evil evil man he is!" And don't tell me Adolfo Bioy Casares is the next Homer or whatever.

Excuse me wiglie, but how the #### can a language be crap?!
Are you sober?

	24-03-2002 03:15									#68
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Funny how he ignored the last message in the last page.

	24-03-2002 03:16									#69
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quote: From what I remember, Conservatives aren't Nazis. You, my friend, are a nazi. And no I expelled you from the conservative party. You now have to join the nazi party, where you belong.

I EXPELLED YOU FIRST.

quote: Are you sober?

Yes, and thanks for adding something to the discussion.

	24-03-2002 03:17									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf (..)Yes, and thanks for adding something to the discussion.

Thanks for answering to question No: 2.
Waiting for answer to question No: 1...

	24-03-2002 03:18									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf I EXPELLED YOU FIRST.

You can't. I am the head of the party.

Come on, wiggy piggy, you have to respond to Awrence.

Later, wiggy piggy, I got some work to do..

	24-03-2002 03:26									#72
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quote: You can't. I am the head of the party.

YOU ARE NOT THE HEAD OF THE PARTY. THERE IS NO HEAD OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY.

ANYWAY, I EXPELLED YOU FIRST, THUS YOU LOST ALL RIGHTS TO LATER EXPEL ME. YOU ARE [OFFICIALLY] SCREWED.

quote: Come on, wiggy piggy, you have to respond to Awrence.

I responded to his more important points a while back.

quote: Waiting for answer to question No: 1...

Spanish has not produced any significant works of literature, at least none that I'm aware of.

	24-03-2002 03:28									#73
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Wiglaf, you have plain ignored my last post (the last post in the previous page).

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I have the temptation of not writting there, because I am tired of spanish-haters, but...

1) First of all, I want to beg your pardon for my bad english: it's no my first language. Probably this one fact will do that you don't take my arguments seriously

2) Second, the Literature Nobel prizes. You can visit a list of these prizes there:

http://www.betweenthecovers.com/aw-ab/nobel.htm

If you count, there is 4 times Spain, 2 times Mexico, 1 time Puerto-Rico (exiled from Spain), 1 time Guatemala and 2 time Chile. This add 10 Nobel prizes, and probably I forgotted some of them.

3) Third, there you have some links about spanish importance

http://www.bartleby.com/218/0513.html
http://www.bartleby.com/65/sp/Spanlit.html
[Please: read the note about the Quixote in this page:]
http://kutz60.kutz.brandeis.edu/AutoCat/SPAN01.html


(Collected in about five seconds in Google)

Alas, I don't know why there are people with too much hate.



I always respect all cultures in the world and, in no way I think that say: this [whatever] country [or culture or language or... ] is crap, or ugly or ...

Thanks god, I know that the mayority of people out there don't hate in the way you dou.

Do you want a list of Spanish important books? I can give you ....

	24-03-2002 03:32									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf (..)Spanish has not produced any significant works of literature, at least none that I'm aware of.

What does this stand for? Small amounts of Literature doesn't mean than
language sucks, it means that culture sucks.

And because you're from USA, I really wouldn't start yelling that spanish culture sucks;
People outside North America have hard time believing that US Culture consist
anything but WWF and French fries.

Stop flaming wiggie, you just get counter-flaming and a bad mind.
If youre smart, you just stop replying onto this, and continue later,
after you've had some pondering about subject
(You're too overheated to continue civilized discussion.)

	24-03-2002 03:40									#76
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quote: 1) First of all, I want to beg your pardon for my bad english: it's no my first language. Probably this one fact will do that you don't take my arguments seriously

same to me



wigly(or whatever your name is)
just for curiosity
are you able to name right now any book originally wrotten in latin or in greek besides the homero ones??

that you don´t know any spanish writer (what it means that you are a moron) it doesn´t mean there weren´t (or they are) important, it just means that you are a moron

	24-03-2002 03:40									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Spanish has not produced any significant works of literature, at least none that I'm aware of.

Only a example:One Hundred Years
of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez.

Only a example! And it's on Harvard Book Store's 100 Favorite Titles, in the TOP FOUR

http://www.harvard.com/recommended/top100.html

	24-03-2002 03:57									#78
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It's ironic that wiggy cites Homer, considerting he was illiterate.

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quote: Spanish has not produced any significant works of literature, at least none that I'm aware of.

Well that explains a lot...

And please ppl, don't try to argue with Wiggie... It's fun at first but it gets boring and takes up too much bandwidth on the ACS server...

	24-03-2002 04:23									#80
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Wiggy Piggy is unaware of anything happening in the world.

	24-03-2002 04:28									#81
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I hope someone's collecting Wiglaf quotes. This contains few precious ones.

And Wiglaf, you've never heard of Don Quijote? One Hundred Years of Solitude? Hoyyyyy you're ignorant.

	24-03-2002 04:32									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Wiggy Piggy is unaware of anything happening in the world.

At least he stopped spamming and flaming now...

	24-03-2002 04:44									#83
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I was at a very interesting lecture a few weeks ago, a language professor talked about language and how it is used as a controlling instrument. Basically he had lived with an african tribe that only had a spoken language, no writing, their whole culture was based on the spoken word and the society worked perfectly.

He argued that we westerners from the age of colonization and onward have used our own way of measuring culture and language, based on our way of thinking and lifestyle. Of course we thought/think that any language not similar to our "correct" one was only used because of these "savages" lack of ability to create a written language.

You cant judge all languages with the same criteria, they work differently depending on what culture they are from. I'll use the classic example of the Eskimoes having forty-something words for snow . I dont think there are many Inuit (correct for eskimoe language?) books that have affected literature in the world today, but on the other hand they would laugh at our primitve way of describing snow.

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quote: Originally posted by Wille I was at a very interesting lecture a few weeks ago, a language professor talked about language and how it is used as a controlling instrument. Basically he had lived with an african tribe that only had a spoken language, no writing, their whole culture was based on the spoken word and the society worked perfectly. He argued that we westerners from the age of colonization and onward have used our own way of measuring culture and language, based on our way of thinking and lifestyle. Of course we thought/think that any language not similar to our "correct" one was only used because of these "savages" lack of ability to create a written language. You cant judge all languages with the same criteria, they work differently depending on what culture they are from. I'll use the classic example of the Eskimoes having forty-something words for snow . I dont think there are many Inuit (correct for eskimoe language?) books that have affected literature in the world today, but on the other hand they would laugh at our primitve way of describing snow.

Weren't there some 'study' at UK in 19th century, which ranked the languages

Chinese came last, and English first, because Chinese were the most far from English,
it was ranked to the most barbaric language

	24-03-2002 04:50									#85
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Actually, that's patently false.

They have specifc words for various kinds of snow, whereas in English we use adjectives.

Instead of using on of their specific words for snow, we can say the fluffy white snow.

It has more to do with environment than anything. English probably has more words that describe something than other languages do, but that's not to say they couldn't equate it with a combination of their words.

	24-03-2002 05:02									#86
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They need that one word description for each kind of snow for survival. When out hunting or something similar they must be able to understand eachother quickly and know exactly the kind of snow they are dealing with, transporting yourself the wrong way across the wrong surface equals death. I really dont see the "fluffy white snow" desrciption cutting it in such a situation.


Hope my point doesn´t get lost in this, you cannot measure a languages worth.

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I get your point, but you're still wrong about the Inuits.

Dude, watch out for the slippery ice!
Dude, watch out for the slush!
Dude, watch out for the slushy snow!
Dude, watch out for the ice rain!
Dude, watch out for the wet snow!

And so on

	24-03-2002 05:16									#88
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One word might be the difference between life and death, not to mention if you were to use two or more adjectives like, "Watch out for that day-old deepfrozen but somewhat slushy on the surface snow!"

	24-03-2002 05:22									#89
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I think I got side-tracked for a moment.

Exactly, you're still able to describe the word in English. Which is really good because there are some concepts that don't cross between languages very well. I was trying to say that they may have 40 words, but it's like me having 40 words for rain. I could still use engilsh to describe the rain, I just choose to combine, or make up a new word to define a specific type of rain.

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I'm wondering if Wiggy speaks or reads Spanish proficiently, or at all. If he did, he'd know that the language isn't even remotely crappy. If fact, it's refreshing to read Spanish literature, especially the many of the novels, short stories and poems that have been written in the twentieth century. Few English poets of the past century can compare to poets like Neruda.

Spanish is wonderful for the ambiguity of the language and the effect regional variations can bring into a work. I guess one could compare it to how Twain brought in the linguistic uniqueness of the South in many of his novels...