24-03-2002 05:34									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Timexwatch Spanish is wonderful for the ambiguity of the language and the effect regional variations can bring into a work. I guess one could compare it to how Twain brought in the linguistic uniqueness of the South in many of his novels...

Regional variations or dialects, are something to cherish. In a world where you're supposed to communicate globally and get impressions from all over the world in a matter of seconds, having a regional dialect to identify yourself with is just great.

	24-03-2002 05:38									#92
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Hehe, that sounds kinda funny.

The only word that distinguishes where I'm from is "fer" and I'm trying to get rid of it. Although, I'm sure you'd be able to tell I'm American, just not where I'm from other than not the South and not New England.

	24-03-2002 05:43									#93
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"Gabriel Garcia Marquez"

That's who I was thinking of! The magical realism guy...

And who wrote Kiss of the Spider Woman? Pueg? Something like that...

	24-03-2002 06:01									#94
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quote: "Oh, he thinks the language is crap, he's a racist. Wawawawawa. Wiggy must be a nazi too. What an evil evil man he is!"

Dont worry, Wiggy, you are no an evil man, you are only mental delayed man.

	24-03-2002 06:22									#95
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence But, oh, right, you're some ignorant American who thinks that American culture is the only worthwhile thing and when someone points at anything outside of the US on maps you probably reply "there be dragons"...

Actually, it's said with more of a pirate accent. "Thar be dragons, matey!"

I was curious if the mods would be willing to tell us the region that Wiggy is from. I'm just curious to see if he actually is from the United States, or if he's just some DL from elsewhere. There are several online services that can tell you the physical location of an IP.

	24-03-2002 06:51									#96
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Some top notch trolling here.

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quote: Never heard of the epic El Pollo Diablo?

The Devil Chicken?!?!?
Seems Spanish to me... those damn Mexicans... first NAFTA now this...

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quote: Only a example! And it's on Harvard Book Store's 100 Favorite Titles, in the TOP FOUR

What a ****ing coincidence!

quote: And Wiglaf, you've never heard of Don Quijote? One Hundred Years of Solitude? Hoyyyyy you're ignorant.

You're comparing DQ to the ancient works of Homer?

quote: Dont worry, Wiggy, you are no an evil man, you are only mental delayed man.

Quick tip to those attempting to look remotely intelligent: it's "not" in this case. Don't use "no" like that again please.

quote: I was curious if the mods would be willing to tell us the region that Wiggy is from. I'm just curious to see if he actually is from the United States, or if he's just some DL from elsewhere. There are several online services that can tell you the physical location of an IP.

They know I'm legit and from the US.

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All Homer did was write about a siege and the return of a man back to his home. He's terribly overrated. His only real claim to fame is that it's still known after 2.500 years. I'd still think that, if we were to analyse it as literature, Don Quijote's relevance and purpose is much more significant that Homer's epics.

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"You're comparing DQ to the ancient works of Homer?"

Why not?

You think oldest 'wins' or something?

EDIT: "All Homer did was write about a siege and the return of a man back to his home."

yeah that's all, all those times when Achilles was 'tearing at his breast' or when Homer takes some time to muse about the loss of young men to the 'pitiless bronze', or the poetic imagery (the wine-dark sea, Godlike Sarpedon) that was all just fluff, find better stuff in the last Harry Potter...

We all known Wiglaf is a Boobus Maximus, but don't overeact.

	24-03-2002 07:16									#101
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In fact, Wiglaf, are you even familiar with the texts of the works by Homer?

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quote: You think oldest 'wins' or something?

The best wins. Don is ultimately, after all the dust settles and generations pass, crap.

And El, you got me.

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And Wiglaf, you've never heard of ... One Hundred Years of Solitude?

I've never heard of One Hundred Years of Solitude. I hope that doesn't make me stupid.

	24-03-2002 07:21									#104
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"You got me?" what kind of a pathetic little reply is that?

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I take it you can't understand the phrase's intended meaning, El?

Like a ****ing wall. All of you.

	24-03-2002 07:30									#106
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What? Now you're all evasive? What? I demand more indepth replies to my arguments!

	24-03-2002 07:33									#107
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Can't have everything.

What arguments, anyway?

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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Can't have everything. What arguments, anyway?

Wiggy your arguments are backed up with ****, and the entire foundation of your arguments is ****. No further explanation is needed since you really have no clue about what you are talking about.

	24-03-2002 08:22									#110
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quote: LTEC, as Spanish is nothing more than a poorly done useless knock-off of Latin, I'm no real stranger to it.

Yep. And English is a poorly done useless knock-off of West Germanic.

	24-03-2002 09:37									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf There is no (decent) Spanish literature. You will not find any depth in it. The language is broke in that it is only worthwhile in spoken conversation, and that's it. Yet you people expect it to dominate other countries and spread spread spread all through America? Whatever.

You don't seem to know just how much of a moron you are, and this shows it better than any of the crap you've typed in this thread. I hope you are just trolling. If not, you are a complete embarassment to other americans.

There's no need to fear spanish taking over america, good lord. What a childish notion! Sadly, many stupid americans harbor it.

Ever heard of Gabriel Garcia Marquez? Why do you think he's been translated into 20+ languages - because his work lacks depth?

	24-03-2002 09:43									#112
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Well, I wouldn't say there's no reason to fear Spanish taking over some cities.

In the county I live in there has been a major influx of Mexican immigrants in the recent past (10, 15 years). This has resulted in the schools needing to hire bi-lingual teachers. We also now have quite a few shops, etc. which only have Spanish signs and names.

Personally, I think they should learn English, but it's not because I believe that Spanish isn't a good language. I would expect any immigrant to try and learn the language of the locals.

	24-03-2002 10:27									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Very few, because of people like you who are all "Viva La Spanish Revolution" or whatever and treat the whole thing like some sort of ****ing revolt against "Big Diablo" America. Grow up. Wrong. Latin's still taught in schools because of religious texts and services, true, but also because of the amazing and life-changing dose of culture/history you get along with it. Try saying the same about Spanish.

Latin changed my life in so many ways.

	24-03-2002 14:20									#114
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quote: I've never heard of One Hundred Years of Solitude. I hope that doesn't make me stupid.

It does. It's famous moneypenny

quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq Ever heard of Gabriel Garcia Marquez? Why do you think he's been translated into 20+ languages - because his work lacks depth?

Everybody speaks so highly of him...

But I've read the "announcement of a proclaimed death" (in Greek, so the title is poorly translated by me) and I found it really boring. I was very much dissapointed.
This has kind of stuck in my mind because he is supposed to be an excellent writer. Maybe it's just not my style.

OTOH I've read his "final message" from his bed in the hospital to all his readers and I loved it.... go figure.

Paolo Coeliu writes in Portogeuse right?

BTW does the italian film "Il Postino" - The Postman. (I think that was the name) talks about the life of Marquez? Or do I have it confused with someone else? (Did Marquez ever became exilled in Italy? - propably not though.)

	24-03-2002 17:19									#115
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yes, we can compare Don Quijote to homero

Don Quijote was the first novel as we know them right now,
the first writer of modern novel as we know it was Miguel de Cervantes,
if you don´t think he was important we can say the same about Shakespeare or Tolstoi,
shakespeare jsut wrote for theatre and tolstoi loooong and boring novels

you are talking a lot about Homer,
but can you name other important book written in latin or in greek?? (second time i ask the question)
just to check

do you know that it is not sure if homer ever existed??

	24-03-2002 18:26									#116
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You guys scared off wiggy piggy.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 It does. It's famous moneypenny Everybody speaks so highly of him... But I've read the "announcement of a proclaimed death" (in Greek, so the title is poorly translated by me) and I found it really boring. I was very much dissapointed. This has kind of stuck in my mind because he is supposed to be an excellent writer. Maybe it's just not my style. OTOH I've read his "final message" from his bed in the hospital to all his readers and I loved it.... go figure. Paolo Coeliu writes in Portogeuse right? BTW does the italian film "Il Postino" - The Postman. (I think that was the name) talks about the life of Marquez? Or do I have it confused with someone else? (Did Marquez ever became exilled in Italy? - propably not though.)

You are confused, the movie is about Neruda.

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What a tragedy Giancarlo Alas I don't think this is the case yet. We should be so lucky

Shaka, a question. In English we refer to it as 'Don Quixote' and you refer to it as 'Don Quijote'. Why the hell do we use an 'x' when it would appear that the Spanish don't?

	24-03-2002 19:24									#119
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In XVI century Spain the 'x' had the modern 'j' sound.

Don Quixote is the original title, as the x replaced all the modern js. The same happens with the f and h. Nowadays, where there is an 'h' there was originally an 'f'. That's kind of the separation between Spanish and Portuguese. Modern 'harina' was 'farina' in the XVI century. And modern 'Jimena' was 'Ximena' in the XVI century.

Paulo Coelho writes in Portugues, paiktis.

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Isn't spanish one of the most spocken langauge ?