29-03-2002 02:22									#151
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Can I play in them even though I am straight?

	29-03-2002 02:27									#152
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I do not understand?? Has Giancarlo actually come out before in the past and then tried to take it back saying what he said was a mistake??

So I'm reliably informed, though I don't think he's actually said "I am gay" publicly here. He did loads of stuff about how his friend was gay and how they were making out together, then denied it all later. Consistency isn't Gianni's strong point.

	29-03-2002 02:30									#153
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quote: Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny So I'm reliably informed, though I don't think he's actually said "I am gay" publicly here. He did loads of stuff about how his friend was gay and how they were making out together, then denied it all later. Consistency isn't Gianni's strong point.

I am not lieing not because I don't see the point of lieing.

	29-03-2002 02:40									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo I am not lieing not because I don't see the point of lieing.

Its "lying" BTW

	29-03-2002 02:42									#155
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Its "lying" BTW

Sorry, I am focusing all of my english skills in an essay right now.

	29-03-2002 02:45									#156
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Giancarlo, you may not see the point in lying but you certainly do it. You have admitted as much to me on this very site. That was the time you said that the reason why you'd claimed that you had made out with your gay friend was that someone had hacked your account, if you need reminding. You later retracted that. Were you lying then, or earlier?

Frankly I think you'd claim to be Eartha Kitt if you thought it would get you some attention.

	29-03-2002 02:47									#157
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quote: Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny Giancarlo, you may not see the point in lying but you certainly do it. You have admitted as much to me on this very site. That was the time you said that the reason why you'd claimed that you had made out with your gay friend was that someone had hacked your account, if you need reminding. You later retracted that. Were you lying then, or earlier? Frankly I think you'd claim to be Eartha Kitt if you thought it would get you some attention.

Well at least he hasnt posted a thread about it this time...

Maybe he is out for good.

	29-03-2002 02:48									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny Giancarlo, you may not see the point in lying but you certainly do it. You have admitted as much to me on this very site. That was the time you said that the reason why you'd claimed that you had made out with your gay friend was that someone had hacked your account, if you need reminding. You later retracted that. Were you lying then, or earlier? Frankly I think you'd claim to be Eartha Kitt if you thought it would get you some attention.

Look I am not lying, I don't see the point. And I swear as if I were taking an oath before a judge, that I am telling the truth, only the truth and nothing but the truth. Lets put the past behind us. I am perfectly fine with the way I am now and am no longer as insecure as I was.

And make no mistake about it, my account is not being hacked into. Additionally I am not here for attention, but to share my views and talk with other people.

	29-03-2002 03:11									#159
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Well you tell me, Giancarlo. This isn't the first time you've announced a polar shift in your sexuality, and last time it happened you spent a year denying that it happened, coupled with occasional admissions of being a bit of a fibber.

Less than a month ago you were openly condemning homosexuality.

Three weeks ago you were blustering and threatening when Asher made gay suggestion to you.

Two weeks ago you said you didn't believe in the gay movement.

About a week ago you said you'd watched "Queer as folk". Then you said you were "gay curious".

Now it seems you're gay. Well I'm looking forward to the day you watch "Dumbo" and announce that you're a flying elephant. I've got this nagging suspicion that you're just trying to play a game with those who have been saying that if you were any further into the closet you'd be in ****ing Narnia.

	29-03-2002 03:13									#160
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I am not lying. I have had enough of you. Ming or MtG close this thread. My temper has been pushed to a limit that I don't want to be at.

	29-03-2002 03:16									#161
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It's not your thread to close, my boy. Now if your temper is fraying, just take a deep breath and stop reading this thread. It's really very easy.

	29-03-2002 03:20									#162
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But I want you to understand I am not playing a game of cat and mouse, and am not lying. How far do I need to go to prove that?

	29-03-2002 03:24									#163
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Stay consistent. Can you blame me, Giancarlo? You talk about the bad old days when you were volatile and insecure, but that was less than a month ago. If you're going to be gay, stay gay for a year or so.

	29-03-2002 03:26									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny Stay consistent. Can you blame me, Giancarlo? You talk about the bad old days when you were volatile and insecure, but that was less than a month ago. If you're going to be gay, stay gay for a year or so.

I will stay consistent.

And so it was a month ago. I had problems. I have sorted out those problems. I am gay, and am going to stay this way... there isn't anything I can do about it. It is just the way I am.

	29-03-2002 03:47									#165
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Yeah, everybody was right... why was I giving myself such a hard time with it? I now see it doesn't affect my character... because character is what we make of it.

quote: And Asher do you like Queer As Folk? That is one of my favorite TV shows...

Yeah, both the British and American (although the American one is filmed in Canada with mostly Canadian actors ).

BTW, Randy Harrison (Justin) has had a boyfriend for many years now. Oh well.

	29-03-2002 03:50									#166
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Yeah, both the British and American (although the American one is filmed in Canada with mostly Canadian actors ).

Oh it is? I didn't know that... both are cool shows though.

BTW, Randy Harrison (Justin) has had a boyfriend for many years now. Oh well. [/QUOTE]

My luck is pretty bad anyways.

	29-03-2002 03:56									#167
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quote: Originally posted by vlad Well in Iowa its also normal to .......... lol just kidding. Of course there are gay clubs all over in any big city and a few hundred people that are regualr customers along with many straight folks. Now how many regular bars does Des Moines have? I am guessing more than the % difference. A poor example, but one where I grew up is central Wisconsin. There any gays that might have been born there have gone to larger cities and skewed their % of gay population.Another area would be large retirement communities or even bible belt communities(excepting catholic priest areas ) I really doubt in rural towns of 1000 there are 50 gays or even 25 for that matter, but hey I am not a gay census worker so who knows. Perhaps its 30% and they are all hiding somewhere. Living the past 18 years in a high gay populated Madison,Wisconsin I sure became used to gay population areas. Now that I am in BC,Canada I certainly see less. I think we should get Starchild to go door to door and count every gay member of the world Hmmm perhaps not since he would never get the job done once he made new friends I agree with the less than 1% theory, but I think its a statistic that we will never truly know + or - 10%.

I am originally from a small town of only 300 people, where just about everyone was Catholic. It was surrounded by farms and their fields.

Guess what?? Even in that village, there were two lesbians there, but they felt that they had to move because it was way too uncomfortable there. I cannot blame them.

What I mean with smaller towns, is that most of them probably have at least one or two gays or lesbians, or bisexuals.

You exaggerated my statement about small towns.

	29-03-2002 04:07									#168
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Congratulations Giancarlo if you are going to adhere to it. But the problem is that this is a 'boy who cried wolf too many times' scenario. Give it time, don't start going off at gays because you can't accept yourself. Just stay clear of those topics that wind you up or make you nervous about being who you are. Just gin and bear it, because you have a difficult task ahead of you.

	29-03-2002 04:09									#169
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Congratulations Giancarlo if you are going to adhere to it. But the problem is that this is a 'boy who cried wolf too many times' scenario. Give it time, don't start going off at gays because you can't accept yourself. Just stay clear of those topics that wind you up or make you nervous about being who you are. Just gin and bear it, because you have a difficult task ahead of you.

Thank you for the advice... how difficult of a task do you think it will be?

	29-03-2002 04:13									#170
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Well it depends on how easy going your environment is Gian, your parents, your friends. If you aren't in a particularly progressive atmosphere, it is going to be more difficult. But remember, you will get your chance to flourish, when you get to university, when you make new circles of friends, etc...

	29-03-2002 04:15									#171
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Well it depends on how easy going your environment is Gian, your parents, your friends. If you aren't in a particularly progressive atmosphere, it is going to be more difficult. But remember, you will get your chance to flourish, when you get to university, when you make new circles of friends, etc...

Well my parents probably are accepting... they aren't religious or anything like that... and my friends are pretty much accepting because I already talked to some about how they view gays...

	29-03-2002 04:22									#172
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison . Just gin and bear it

Sounds like good advice...

	29-03-2002 04:57									#173
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Sometimes many a true word are said in haste. Hit that bottle Gian

	29-03-2002 05:39									#174
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Giancarlo, coming out is different for each individual, based on their own self, their family, and their friends.

No one can really tell you how difficult it would be, unless we knew more about the lives that your family and friends live.

	29-03-2002 05:42									#175
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Giancarlo, coming out is different for each individual, based on their own self, their family, and their friends. No one can really tell you how difficult it would be, unless we knew more about the lives that your family and friends live.

One thing is sure, alcohol is essential!

	29-03-2002 06:23									#176
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That is true MrFun.

quote: Originally posted by Caligastia One thing is sure, alcohol is essential!

Sorry I don't drink....

	29-03-2002 06:28									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Sorry I don't drink....

Best to keep it that way too Gian, I was only joking about the alcohol.

	29-03-2002 07:30									#178
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I think I am in an generally accepting atmosphere... my friends, my school, my parents... except this darn country.

quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Best to keep it that way too Gian, I was only joking about the alcohol.

Well a little wine when I go to resturants... but only once in awhile.

	29-03-2002 08:39									#179
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Giancarlo, I know nothing about your family or your friends, or where you live. So my coming out that I experienced could be completely different from what you're experiencing.

But still, if you do not mind, maybe I can help by sharing basically how I experienced coming out.

First of course, I came out to myself, realizing a part of what I really am. Went for the gun case, opened it, but the gun was not there. Not sure if I would have gone ahead with suicide if the gun was there, but glad it wasn't.

Then, I came out to my family and my friends. Over the months after I came out to my mother, and my older brother, we actually formed closer family relations. With my three older sisters -- they have all tried to varying degrees, to understand this part of me, and try to accept me.

As for our community priest, he came down to my mother's house and we talked with him about my sexual orientation. He said that I could continue attending his church if I wanted to, but I should know that the official Church doctrine was against homosexual BEHAVIOR. So basically, he was telling me that I could never have sex in my life unless I forced myself to have sex with women.

My friends that lived in the same rural town I lived in originally, all accepted me after I came out to them.

So remember -- this was what I experienced in a small Catholic white town of only 300 people. I moved about a year after I came out.

I consider myself lucky -- even my relatives still welcome me to family gatherings. My dad was dead from a stroke for about two years when I came out.

I don't know if hearing about other people's experiences in coming out would help you at all, but I hope it does.

	29-03-2002 08:42									#180
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Yeah I understand... it seems I already came out to myself, and I just came out to my friend over email, he was surprised but accepting. I will talk to him about it tomorrow.