28-03-2002 10:41									#91
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Ok Orange, if you want to make jack-ass of yourself, go make a t-shirt that says Straight-Pride and celebrate how white straight men had to overcome sooooo much discrimination.

	28-03-2002 11:17									#92
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Ah, yes... when you think that the leaders of the homosexual movement were getting smarter, they go about and continue this .

What better way to say that homosexuals are equal and should be accepted by society than to seperate themselves from straights in sports

	28-03-2002 11:18									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Ah, yes... when you think that the leaders of the homosexual movement were getting smarter, they go about and continue this . What better way to say that homosexuals are equal and should be accepted by society than to seperate themselves from straights in sports

Hey, these have been around for years, first of all.
Second of all, I agree with you.
Third of all, the "leaders of the homosexual movement" didn't arrange it.

They go against the case they want.

	28-03-2002 11:26									#94
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I hear you... they should instead promote homosexuals to try out for the REAL Olympics, and make the Gay Games into more of a fair/carnival type deal with sports not in the Olympics (though there aren't too many I guess).

	28-03-2002 11:29									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I hear you... they should instead promote homosexuals to try out for the REAL Olympics,

You mean in sports other than figure skating?

	28-03-2002 11:30									#96
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc You mean in sports other than figure skating?

I think they're big in swimming too.

	28-03-2002 14:40									#97
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orange has a point. He objects to any preferential treatment to be given to any group of people. In principle I agree with that. Consider Affrimative Action or something silly along the same line. What it implies is these people cannot make it on their own merits and abilities alone, so the bar needs to be lowered for them.

Not only this hurts the group of people, but it also causes resentment in those who may otherwise support the cause.

	28-03-2002 15:59									#98
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What a bunch of whiners.

I couldn't care less if the gays want to have their own games. It doesn't hurt any one and they just want to have fun so let them.

The whiners here are annoying. Next we'll get the Americans complaining that they're not allowed to compete in the Commonwealth games of the Canada Games. Ya can just hear them starting to cry: "Reverse discrimination."

Give me a break.

	28-03-2002 17:09									#99
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Wow, it's been a while since I've seen so many moronic comments in a single thread. Orange in particular, for shame.

The Gay Games, formerly the Gay Olympics, was started years ago, in large part as a response from gay men to the stereotype that they were effeminite, weak, and unathletic. It also provided a venue for gay athletes who felt unwelcome in the often inhospitable atmosphere of the sports world. The idea was to create a forum where gay people could get together to compete, show off their athletic prowess, and enjoy some solidarity while publically shooting down an old sterotype.

I cannot imagine why this would be so offensive to so many around here.

Maybe if you tried living as a minority in a straight-drenched world you could understand the joyous sensation of release and freedom that accompanies the rare opportunity of being in a large crowd of people like yourself.

	28-03-2002 17:16									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Of course, since white heterosexual males are the norm, ....

What a shock this news must be to the vast majority of people who are women and/or non-whites.

	28-03-2002 17:26									#101
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I have no problem with the Gay Games, or for that matter allowing people of whatever stripe to decide who they want to associate with and creating groups to further this. I do have a problem when not everyone is afforded the same rights to associate that others have. This just causes unnecessary friction. Discrimination will be eliminated one person at a time in their heart. The government will not succeed in using force to change people's hearts, and only partly successful in modifying people's outward behavior. Let everyone have their club, and don't quit working for the respect of everyone who deserves it.

	28-03-2002 18:34									#102
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One thing I have to wonder about the whole "Why can't we have a straight parade/ union/ games?"... has anyone who's asking these questions ever tried to set up such an event?

Chances are, if word got around, then people who have the mindset "this'll show them damn homos a thing or two" will crawl out of the woodwork and get involved, and soon it won't be about promoting* heterosexuality, it'll be about running down homosexuality. I'd personally love to see people make totally tolerant and inclusive straight events- no one should have anything against them, and if they do, why the hell should we care about their opinion anyway?

*This is why people are saying that "straight parades" would be defunct- heterosexuality simply doesn't need any promotion further than what it alrady has!

	28-03-2002 19:14									#103
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Why would anyone bother to go to a straight event? Or a gay one?

Gay...straight...who cares.

	28-03-2002 19:28									#104
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Well no one bothered reading my post... and I will make my point more simple: These events will only worsen discrimination.

	28-03-2002 19:49									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Well no one bothered reading my post... and I will make my point more simple: These events will only worsen discrimination.

I read it. I just didnt comment.

	28-03-2002 19:50									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld White and heterosexual pride is redundant in this society.

Just like black and gay pride.

	28-03-2002 19:51									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Well no one bothered reading my post... and I will make my point more simple: These events will only worsen discrimination.

The reason we didn't read your stupid ****ing post is because we know you're nothing but an atavistic little boy with his finger up the butt. Grasp the simple concept that you're an idiot and no one gives a **** about what you think.

	28-03-2002 19:52									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai The reason we didn't read your stupid ****ing post is because we know you're nothing but an atavistic little boy with his finger up the butt. Grasp the simple concept that you're an idiot and no one gives a **** about what you think.

Take a chill pill you ****ing communist.

	28-03-2002 19:52									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai The reason we didn't read your stupid ****ing post is because we know you're nothing but an atavistic little boy with his finger up the butt. Grasp the simple concept that you're an idiot and no one gives a **** about what you think.

And that makes you any better? What? I am not allowed to say my opinion anymore? Who gives you that right to judge others? Let me say this: You have a bad attitude, and one poor argument.

	28-03-2002 19:56									#110
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Dont listen to Tingkai, Giancarlo. Hes just an arrogant self-righteous liberal.

	28-03-2002 19:59									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Dont listen to Tingkai, Giancarlo. Hes just an arrogant self-righteous liberal.

No, why don't you **** off ya ****ing fascist pig dog. And don't ****ing call me a goddam wimpy liberal.

	28-03-2002 19:59									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Dont listen to Tingkai, Giancarlo. Hes just an arrogant self-righteous liberal.

True. In no way was I going after gays... but I said these events could increase hatred.

	28-03-2002 20:00									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai No, why don't you **** off ya ****ing fascist pig dog. And don't ****ing call me a goddam wimpy liberal.

Ya wimpy liberal.

	28-03-2002 20:01									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai No, why don't you **** off ya ****ing fascist pig dog. And don't ****ing call me a goddam wimpy liberal.

Umm... I don't think anybody should argue with you. All you use are bad words. MtG do something about this person...

	28-03-2002 20:07									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I can name 2 TV shows that involves gay couples. I can name about 200 or so TV shows that involve straight couples. That's unbalanced, and shows that one is being marginalized in favor of the other.

Well, it has been said on this foryum that about 5% of the population is gay. And I can name you 5 shows without thinking that are "pro" gay shows or just have gay caracters in them. And the a normal person can normaly watch about a 50 shows a week. I guess the % question is solved. That's about 10%.

-Queer as folk
-Will and grace
-Spin City
-Ellen
-That 80's show
-Sorti gay
And there are lots more.

I dont mind gay shows. They can put them on as much as they want, I just wont listen to them if the're boring. You know, TV is like nature, there's always a balance that's created. If there are to many shows of one subject, ppl start to get bored or annoyed and they cancel them. So a balance is bound to happen.

Once again, I'm not homophobic, but I think the gay pride thing is going to far sometimes.

Spec.

	28-03-2002 20:12									#116
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Ok Orange, if you want to make jack-ass of yourself, go make a t-shirt that says Straight-Pride and celebrate how white straight men had to overcome sooooo much discrimination.

That's not exactly what he's saying MrFun. I can understand his point as much as I get yours. But the problem is to find the right middle. As in, what's to much and what's not.

Spec.

	28-03-2002 20:16									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai What a bunch of whiners. I couldn't care less if the gays want to have their own games. It doesn't hurt any one and they just want to have fun so let them. The whiners here are annoying. Next we'll get the Americans complaining that they're not allowed to compete in the Commonwealth games of the Canada Games. Ya can just hear them starting to cry: "Reverse discrimination." Give me a break.

Ok now, you didn't get anything here.

	28-03-2002 20:20									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Well no one bothered reading my post... and I will make my point more simple: These events will only worsen discrimination.

Exactly! That's why I started this thread, to make that point.

	28-03-2002 20:25									#119
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this was about Giancarlo...

quote: Originally posted by Tingkai The reason we didn't read your stupid ****ing post is because we know you're nothing but an atavistic little boy with his finger up the butt. Grasp the simple concept that you're an idiot and no one gives a sh*t about what you think.

Well tingkai, you are a moron. It's cuz of ppl like you they that have gay games and black groups and stuff. Cuz sh*t pri*ks like you dont care to listen of even open you freakin mind for one second cuz you're to afraid of being wrong. Giancarlo is right and you'd be suprised how many gay ppl are agreeing with him, for example my cousin and one of my friends are totaly on the same track as me and him. So it's not because you think something should be someway that that's how it is........

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	28-03-2002 20:32									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Spectator Giancarlo is right and you'd be suprised how many gay ppl are agreeing with him,

Though I don't rant about it anymore, I am gay myself... there I admitted it. Anyways, I think these events are trying to gain special rights for gays, but I disagree with special rights. Equal rights needs to be a fact... the only thing special rights do is increase hatred.