28-03-2002 21:07									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Spectator this was about Giancarlo... Well tingkai, you are a moron. It's cuz of ppl like you they that have gay games and black groups and stuff. Cuz sh*t pri*ks like you dont care to listen of even open you freakin mind for one second cuz you're to afraid of being wrong. Giancarlo is right and you'd be suprised how many gay ppl are agreeing with him, for example my cousin and one of my friends are totaly on the same track as me and him. So it's not because you think something should be someway that that's how it is........ Spec.

Oh this is the old "My black friend says there's no racism against blacks so there is no racism against blacks" BS.

It doesn't work that way, boy.

There is no more discrimination in Gays Games then there is in Canada Games. If you want to compete in the Canada games then you have to be Canadian. If you want to compete in the Gay Games then you have to be a homosexual.

And this crap about "Oh these games will just create hatred against gays" is exactly that, crap.

It is no different from them dumb old crackers who said that blacks fighting for equal rights were just creating hatred against black.

But, hey, let's delete this thread cause ya called me a moron.

	28-03-2002 21:09									#122
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Though I don't rant about it anymore, I am gay myself... there I admitted it. Anyways, I think these events are trying to gain special rights for gays, but I disagree with special rights. Equal rights needs to be a fact... the only thing special rights do is increase hatred.

Yeah, let's cancel the Commonwealth Games cause all it does is give Commonwealth nations special rights and that creates hatred against the Commonwealth.

Let's face it. People hate the Gay games cause they hate gays.

	28-03-2002 21:18									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Yeah, let's cancel the Commonwealth Games cause all it does is give Commonwealth nations special rights and that creates hatred against the Commonwealth. Let's face it. People hate the Gay games cause they hate gays.

So you're saying that I hate gays and that Mr.Fun and Giancarlo hates him self. Then just forget it, it's just not worth arguing with someone who doesn't get anything.

quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Let's delete thid thread cuz you called me a moron.

I also called you a sh*t pri*k.

Spec.

	28-03-2002 21:23									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Yeah, let's cancel the Commonwealth Games cause all it does is give Commonwealth nations special rights and that creates hatred against the Commonwealth. Let's face it. People hate the Gay games cause they hate gays.

Oh so I hate myself? Look my self-esteem isn't that bad. I dislike the gay games because it brings a bad image.

Nations and a specific group of people are a different thing... I think there should be Commonwealth games because it brings up the morale of the nations participating. The gay games do not do this, and only bring more hatred.

	28-03-2002 21:25									#125
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Spectator and Tingkai both get two day restrictions...
If you can't discuss sensitive issues without throwing insults around, you shouldn't bother to post in these types of the threads.

NOW CHILL PEOPLE...

The next insult tossed around this thread will earn the lucky jerk a 4 day restriction.

It's OK to disagree... but discuss things... don't act like idiots!

	28-03-2002 23:54									#126
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Gay Olympics?
First time to hear this and quite funny I would say

As long as it is not officially relatated to the Olympics I have no problem with it. If homosexuals feel different and want to make their own games seperatly from the straight people go ahead.

But I don't think there is any problem for homosexuals equally participating in the Olimpics. Luganis was a homosexual and world champion and Olympic winner. I can't really understand the reason behind that decission. I have the feeling that they are aiming in a homosexual orgy most than an athletic event but I might be wrong

What is next? The Female Olympics ?

	28-03-2002 23:56									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Spectator and Tingkai both get two day restrictions...

And I agree with Giancarlo, Spec, MrFun and Orange. But I also think it's not as big of an issue as y'all make it.

	28-03-2002 23:57									#128
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Keygen, even I disagree with this... it is something else....

You are right on all points.

	29-03-2002 00:02									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Though I don't rant about it anymore, I am gay myself... there I admitted it

Good for you Giancarlo, Im glad you have come to terms with this.

	29-03-2002 00:50									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Spectator Well, it has been said on this foryum that about 5% of the population is gay. And I can name you 5 shows without thinking that are "pro" gay shows or just have gay caracters in them. And the a normal person can normaly watch about a 50 shows a week. I guess the % question is solved. That's about 10%.

-Queer as folk
This is a true gay show.

-Will and grace
This one is almost there. The only reason homosexuality is involved is so they can poke fun. But it's done tastefully and I enjoy it nonetheless.

-Spin City
Carter's only on this show as a side character for comic relief. This doesn't count.

-Ellen
This show hasn't been on TV for years and tanked once it came out she was a lesbian.

-That 80's show
Who's gay on that show? I've never seen it.

-Sorti gay
What's that?

And there are lots more.
I'm sure there are, but I don't count any show who has 1 minor gay character involved to count. It's like having the token black guy and token gay guy now.

There are still only two shows on TV right now that are actually about gays, rather than occasionally involving them. Queer as Folk and Will and Grace.

	29-03-2002 01:00									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Good for you Giancarlo, Im glad you have come to terms with this.

Yeah, everybody was right... why was I giving myself such a hard time with it? I now see it doesn't affect my character... because character is what we make of it.

And Asher do you like Queer As Folk? That is one of my favorite TV shows...

	29-03-2002 01:12									#132
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory I have to at stefu's comments I dont care. As long as its not on TV. Heterophobic? Probably...I think a striaght man should try to get in. And watch them say he cant. Then we can cry discrimination! And get it shut down.

I know this is REALLY really late to make this point, but oh well...

A boy can't go into girl scouts. Is that discrimination? It's called the girl scouts. The gay games are called gay games for a reason. The Olympics aren't called the Straight Olympics. If they were, that's another thing.

	29-03-2002 01:12									#133
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quote: Originally posted by mindseye The Gay Games, formerly the Gay Olympics, was started years ago, in large part as a response from gay men to the stereotype that they were effeminite, weak, and unathletic. It also provided a venue for gay athletes who felt unwelcome in the often inhospitable atmosphere of the sports world. The idea was to create a forum where gay people could get together to compete, show off their athletic prowess, and enjoy some solidarity while publically shooting down an old sterotype.

That's a very worthy notion. In fact it's so worthy that I'm a bit disappointed by the whole thing. You see, if the games had been chock-full of real limp-wristed caricatures and mincing queens it would have absolutely brilliant TV. I'd have been glued to it.

Just imagine them flouncing off in a blaze of leather and white T-shirts, only to throw tantrums and slap each other at the finish. Or the gymnastics, punctuated by cat-calls of "B1TCH!!" . It would have been the biggest TV event since the moon landings.

The reality is worthier, but the world is a duller place.

	29-03-2002 01:13									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Yeah, everybody was right... why was I giving myself such a hard time with it?

I reckon it was especially hard for you because you are right-wing. Dont go left on us now!

	29-03-2002 01:17									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia I reckon it was especially hard for you because you are right-wing. Dont go left on us now!

My sig shows why I can't go left wing. I don't think like a leftist.

	29-03-2002 01:19									#136
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Oh my God!!!

Giancarlo has come out of his closet!?

congrats

Queer as Folk is my favorite show for me -- it ranks above Will & Grace.

	29-03-2002 01:23									#137
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Mr. Fun, I wouldn't be shocked. Giancarlo has come out of the closet, changed political affiliations, etc etc, too many times so that the regular observer would postulate he'll go back to what he was shortly enough.

	29-03-2002 01:25									#138
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Oh my God!!! Giancarlo has come out of his closet!? congrats Queer as Folk is my favorite show for me -- it ranks above Will & Grace.

Thanks...

Btw my favorite character on QAF (US) is Justin.

	29-03-2002 01:26									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Mr. Fun, I wouldn't be shocked. Giancarlo has come out of the closet, changed political affiliations, etc etc, too many times so that the regular observer would postulate he'll go back to what he was shortly enough.

I have stuck conservative. I haven't changed. I may have went from hardline conservativism to moderate conservatism in the last few months.

I mean what difference does it make if I am gay? None. Is it really a big deal so that you must squabble over it?

	29-03-2002 01:27									#140
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Giancarlo's closet has a revolving door.

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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer So goes the conventional wisdom. Various studies have estimated anything from 3% to 20%, if I recall correctly.

Actually modern estimates are LESS than 1%. A study was done in the 50's which used an answer if men had ever had a thought about another man to estimate the gay population at 10%. This was used to start a popular organization called the 10% society.No real studies have ever been done to make an exact count of gays, and most estimates have used surveys involving experimental sexual situations NOT actual gay people. I am sure if we just went door to door and asked we would get the right #s
The ideas of gay life are also way over represented on tv and in Hollywood due to the larger % of gay people involved. Go to some other areas of America and I bet you would be hard pressed to find any gays.
I am guessing the gay Olympics at least won't have the problems the Salt Lake City ones did with corruption of the Olympic officials.

	29-03-2002 01:53									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny Giancarlo's closet has a revolving door.

I do not understand??

Has Giancarlo actually come out before in the past and then tried to take it back saying what he said was a mistake??

And another thing -- you can adhere to almost any political ideology and be straight, gay or bisexual.

	29-03-2002 01:55									#143
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I do not understand?? Has Giancarlo actually come out before in the past and then tried to take it back saying what he said was a mistake?? And another thing -- you can adhere to almost any political ideology and be straight, gay or bisexual.

I had many problems during that time... I now accept it because it is the way I am. I don't see what the big deal about it is.

	29-03-2002 01:57									#144
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quote: Originally posted by vlad Go to some other areas of America and I bet you would be hard pressed to find any gays.

Name a specific state or area.

I live in Iowa and guess what?? Des Moines by itself has four gay-oriented nightclubs, Davenport, where I live, has two gay-oriented nightclubs. There are gay-oriented nightclubs all across Iowa, with most cities having at least one.

And in almost any good-sized city in Iowa, you will find an established gay community organization.

And in any rural town of even less than 1,000 people, you can bet that there are still a few people in each of those small towns that are openly gay or closeted.

I believe that the world's population is 5% homosexual.

	29-03-2002 02:05									#145
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Well, MrFun how about different countries like Argentina, Spain or Italy? In Buenos Aires I can't find one gay club, bar or anything like that anywhere. And this city has 14 million people.

	29-03-2002 02:12									#146
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In cities, states, or countries where it is officially illegal to have gay-oriented nightclubs, they could be driven underground and operate.

And, in cities where there are no gay-oriented nightclubs does not mean there are no gays in those areas.

Gays are in every city on this planet.

	29-03-2002 02:15									#147
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I dunno if it is illegal here, but I hear courts around here issue warrants to shut gay bars down everytime one is discovered.

I know there are gays in this city, and they (I for one do) must feel bad that they can't even express themselves outside because they fear that the police might beat them up.

Infact, you reminded me of something that happened in Egypt. Egyptian Courts ordered several dozen people to prison because they were in a gay club.

	29-03-2002 02:15									#148
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Well, MrFun how about different countries like Argentina, Spain or Italy? In Buenos Aires I can't find one gay club, bar or anything like that anywhere. And this city has 14 million people.

There has to be! Have you asked other gay people who live around there?

	29-03-2002 02:16									#149
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Well in Iowa its also normal to .......... lol just kidding. Of course there are gay clubs all over in any big city and a few hundred people that are regualr customers along with many straight folks. Now how many regular bars does Des Moines have? I am guessing more than the % difference. A poor example, but one where I grew up is central Wisconsin. There any gays that might have been born there have gone to larger cities and skewed their % of gay population.Another area would be large retirement communities or even bible belt communities(excepting catholic priest areas ) I really doubt in rural towns of 1000 there are 50 gays or even 25 for that matter, but hey I am not a gay census worker so who knows. Perhaps its 30% and they are all hiding somewhere. Living the past 18 years in a high gay populated Madison,Wisconsin I sure became used to gay population areas. Now that I am in BC,Canada I certainly see less.
I think we should get Starchild to go door to door and count every gay member of the world Hmmm perhaps not since he would never get the job done once he made new friends
I agree with the less than 1% theory, but I think its a statistic that we will never truly know + or - 10%.

	29-03-2002 02:19									#150
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia There has to be! Have you asked other gay people who live around there?

There isn't a gay part of town here, like in San Francisco... and the police are not somebody they would want to confront.

http://www.groovyannies.com/news/1999/press91.html - This is slightly old, but it only has gotten worse.