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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
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The joke was very funny, albeit portraying a sad reality in countries in which traditional islamic rules are upheld.
even around here ,were people that do such things are sent to jail , this goes on. A man killed his sister , because it was discovered that she wasn't a virgin when she married. IDIOTS!!!
I know you don't believe in this . At least I hope so. 
CapTVK:
note the statistics from Israel , where the arab population , even arguably facing discrimination ( which is IMO , only as much as all other rural cities), they are way better than the vast majority of other countries. the population grew from 160,000, to over 1,000,000 in a period of a bit more that 50 years.
So what do you say , that the statistics are wrong? totally? everywhere?
CyberGnu : can't answer now, time for my kitten torture session.Nah , make it a poor palestinian boy torture session.
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:18
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Originally posted by CyberGnu
and I apparently forgot how stealing someones land and then calling them terrorists when they try to take it back is all right and just. |
Again, how exactly did we "steal" it?
We purchased parts of it.
And later parts of it were allocated to us by the UN.
Now, we had no problems if the arabs had chosen to stay there.
They themselves chose to leave, knowing that the Arab countries would try and cleanse us.
So how is that us stealing their lands?
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And contemplate that a few miles from you there are 5 million people who cannot do this mainly because you reserve that right for yourself.... |
In my country, there are 1 million palestinians who can do that, if they agreed to have pipes laid in their villages.
In the territories, there are some 1 - 2 million people who have been prevented from leaving their camps by their own leaders.
In Lebanon Syria and Jordan there are some 1 million people who have been prevented from showering and eating by the local authorities.
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And then ask yourself why they are angry... So angry that they are willing to die if only they get a good chance of taking one your people with them... |
If they are so ****ing angry then there is no hope for peace.
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think about that before you apologize for the next Israeli murder. |
Yes, I'll think alot before I appologize for the next terrorist we assassinated, who otherwise would have killed me.
I can't go to a cafe. I can't go to school. I can't take a walk. I will be blown up to bits if I do.
Think about that before you justify another palestinian terract.
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Not that I expect it to do much good. Not that I want to inslut you personally, but I expect that for someone who has been indoctrinated into jewish supremacy and the right to stolen land, other peoples suffering propably won't do much to faze you...  |
Here goes jewish supremacy again.
That "stolen land" is a result of the war.
And the arabs can't expect that they would start a cleansing war on us, but if it fails, we revert the situation as if it never hapenned.
We agreed already to compensate them. We agreed to return them most of the land we captured in 1967. We agreed to compensate them for the rest.
They wanted more, so they again started killing innocent civilans.
I don't mind that they wanted more. At the time, I was ready to give more.
But when they use terror as a pressure strategy, they lose all right to demand anything.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
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Question unrelated to everything here :
I heard about some Palestinian uprising in Egypt that happened few decades ago and that Egypt stopped it by shooting with sub machine guns into crowds and killing 400 Palestinians protestors. Does someone has more information about it? Like what caused the uprising, how widespread it was, etc?
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
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Edit : My mistake.
Last edited by Eli on 01-04-2002 at 03:47
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:18
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Originally posted by Waku
don't you have any casualties statistic handy?
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But the numbers themselves mean nothing.
You have to look at:
- circumstance
- intention
If you ignore that, then USA was the evil agressor against Germany in WWII, since germany lost millions, and USA lost several thousands...
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it is not. Name a war facing more religious fanatics.
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That doesn't make it a religious war.
The goals are political.
The leaders are not religious.
Religion is used as a tool to instigate people sometimes.
But mostly, it's a non-religious war, which uses religion.
It's a war between Israel, who wants to exist, and Arabs who don't want it to exist.
The palestinian people got caught up in this.
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“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”
— PLO spokesman Mahmud Abbas ("Abu Mazen")
Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)
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I referred to Mr Sharon, but you take it personally. And you get mad very easily, you idiot! (i still owes u one) |
I thought you don't owe me that after calling me a nazi.
I'm sorry, but I'm having troubles to believe that, after you constantly refered to Israelis as the "chosen ones" that you meant only Mr. Sharon.
And if anything, Sharon is as far from religion as a man can be.
You know that he has written an article calling for negociations with the palestinians as early as 1974??
And I'm sorry I get mad. I truly am.
But you blamed me of things that aren't true and put words in my mouth.
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Cádiz, Spain
Nov 2000
time: 06:18
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Originally posted by Sirotnikov
That doesn't make it a religious war. The goals are political. The leaders are not religious. Religion is used as a tool to instigate people sometimes.
But mostly, it's a non-religious war, which uses religion.
It's a war between Israel, who wants to exist, and Arabs who don't want it to exist. |
I still think it's the keystone, AFAIK it is impossible for a muslim to separate religion from anything, and that's why I think these last events will only delay the peace. The only "visible" head of the palestinians is Arafat, so he must be led to the negotiations, it won't help to corner him.
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And I'm sorry I get mad. I truly am.
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I apologyze too
see? this is how to deal with the problem, and that was my very first intention when I started posting here, muslims and jews are condemned to withstand with eachother
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Athens Greece
Sep 1999
time: 07:18
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It does not take a Jew to know the art of copy-paste... 
Found on www.indymedia.org which is btw flooded with zionist spam.
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RAMALLAH, West Bank, 1 April — Far from shying away from behavior that has made the world draw analogies between them and the Nazis who persecuted their Jewish brethren during the World War II, the Israeli Army yesterday launched a campaign of mass executions against Palestinians. At least 39 members of the Palestinian security forces in occupied Ramallah were killed in cold blood in two separate incidents. Once again, Israel’s economic, political and military backer, the United States, remained silent in the face of such outrage.
West Bank Preventive Security chief Jibril Rajoub told AFP: “The Israelis assassinated around 30 Palestinians last night in a building in central Ramallah. It was a collective assassination.”
Nine Palestinians were executed earlier in the morning. Palestinians said soldiers executed them in the Islamic Club and adjacent buildings. Four other Palestinians were shot dead by troops in clashes. The head of the hospital service told AFP yesterday the morgue in Ramallah’s central hospital is starting to overflow and doctors had to start putting two bodies in compartments designed for one.
The Israeli Army said it had arrested “several” foreigners who had defied its closure order on the West Bank city of Ramallah.
In other incidents two Palestinian activists blew themselves up killing 15 Israelis as Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon declared a war saying a cease-fire would be possible once the campaign against the Palestinians had been completed. Israel also did not rule out the Palestinian leader being killed accidentally in clashes with its troops at his shattered headquarters.
It closed off Ramallah, ordering out all journalists. But speaking from inside the offices at his shattered compound, which Israeli tanks and troops entered on Friday, Arafat repeated he was ready to die and vowed never to surrender.
Palestinian officials earlier said they feared Arafat would be killed after what they said was an Israeli surge into the buildings housing his inner offices.
The first bomber who struck yesterday, a member of Izzedine Al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of Hamas, detonated an explosive device in a crowded restaurant in the city of Haifa, killing at least 15 and injuring 35 others.
Police said the attacker walked into the restaurant and blew himself to pieces with an explosion that caved in the roof and reduced the interior to a tangle of metal and glass. Another bomber struck in the Jewish settlement of Efrat, south of the West Bank town of Bethlehem killing himself and injuring four people, settler sources said.
The Palestinian blew himself up near the medical center in the industrial section of the Jewish settlement. Israeli soldiers shot dead two Palestinians during a gunbattle in the Kadura refugee camp in Ramallah around noon yesterday, Israeli military sources said.
Earlier yesterday, Israeli soldiers shot dead two activists of Islamic Jihad near Tulkarm, after briefly entering the village of Saida before dawn.
The Israeli Army defied a chorus of world outrage to hint Arafat could be killed and after the attack announced the West Bank of city of Ramallah, where he is cornered, was a closed military area.
A US journalist was shot and wounded yesterday in Ramallah shortly after the Israeli announcement, two photographers on the scene told AFP. The correspondent for the Boston Globe daily, a US national, sustained bullet wounds in the back near Ramallah’s main square, they said.
He said he had told the United States that Palestinians needed international protection.
Asked about Israel’s assurances that it had no intention of harming him, the 72-year-old Palestinian Authority chief said: “Do you think the missiles will differentiate between me and any of my brothers here with me? This is a big Israeli lie.
“What I am facing is not important. More important is what my people are going through day and night. Yesterday they (the Israelis) assassinated nine people. The tanks are surrounding the hospitals and blocking access to the wounded,” he declared.
Soldiers operating within Arafat’s Ramallah headquarters waged gunbattles with the Palestinian leader’s guards, only meters from the room where Arafat had taken refuge with his aids, Palestinians said.
At least two guards were injured, one of them seriously. Soldiers continued entering building after building in Ramallah, mainly in the commercial city center and the Old City, to search for weapons and activists. They arrested more than 500 people, Palestinians said.
The Palestinian Chamber of Commerce in downtown Ramallah went up in flames, possibly after soldiers used explosives to break open its entrance, Palestinians said. Soldiers also entered a multiple-story building housing the Al-Jazeera Television and occupied one floor. Palestinians reported a lull in the fighting in Arafat’s Al Mukata’a headquarters yesterday afternoon. Israeli soldiers had earlier fired two stun grenades at or near Arafat’s office. The gunbattles took place only one or two rooms from Arafat, after soldiers moved into the dining room of Arafat’s office, Palestinian Information Minister Yasser Abed Rabbo, who was in close telephone contact with the Palestinian leader, told Al-Jazeera.
As the shooting took place, Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres told Israel Army Radio that Israel had no intention of harming Arafat. Israel told the Palestinians to evacuate all Palestinian security offices in the Gaza Strip, sources at the office of Gaza Strip public security chief Abdel Razik Al Majayda said.
Employees working for international aid organizations, including the Red Cross and the UN relief organization UNRWA, were asked to leave Gaza as soon as possible, sources in Gaza City added.
Some 20 tanks were also still besieging the headquarters of West Bank security chief Jibril Rajoub, in the southern Ramallah suburb of Beitunya. In addition to Ramallah, tanks have reoccupied the West Bank town of Beit Jalla, south of Jerusalem. Sporadic shooting was reported in both towns.
In Tel Aviv, parliamentary speaker Avraham Burg said yesterday the Israeli government must speak out to tell its citizens where its current military campaign is going. “There is a lot of responsibility at the political level to tell the citizens where the military action is going. Today, there is absolutely no one saying where this is going,” he said.
Sharon in his brief televised address said: “Citizens of Israel: the state of Israel is at war, a war against terror,” while adding “We must fight this terrorism, in an uncompromising war to uproot these savages.”
Arab News
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Dr Strangelove
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I know that this is going to sound terribly lame, but I grieve for all of you guys over there. That is about all that I can contribute to this subject.
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:18
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Originally posted by Waku
I still think it's the keystone, AFAIK it is impossible for a muslim to separate religion from anything, and that's why I think these last events will only delay the peace. The only "visible" head of the palestinians is Arafat, so he must be led to the negotiations, it won't help to corner him.
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But most of the people still do not see it as a religious fight.
True, many do.
But the leaders aren't religious. They're mostly socialist dictators. And that's what counts.
Furthermore, it would be alughable to call the jews or zionists religious. It's ver national.
I apologyze as well.
I'm sure you could understnad how being a part of this makes one more sentimental.
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see? this is how to deal with the problem, and that was my very first intention when I started posting here, muslims and jews are condemned to withstand with eachother |
Look, again, I agree that jews and palestinians will be here forever and better learn to like it.
However, I can't see any way, in which Israel can assure security, without stopping terrorists.
I think that stopping them should be a first step in the road to peace, and the Tenet agreement and Mitchell reports agree with me.
Arafat can not be considered a partner, no matter what.
Why?
Because he tries to use terror to promote palestinian goals. He isn't honest and isn't truly interested in a peacefull conexistnace.
Israel is being hceated by him, when on one side we give in to him, and on another side he promotes Hamas to attack us, so we will give more land.
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