01-04-2002 01:34									#181
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Sirotnikov, you're as fanaticist as Arafat, I feel sorry for you man. Get a gun and go kill people.

	01-04-2002 01:35									#182
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quote: Originally posted by Eli According to Israeli security sources, there are 60-70 "heavy" wanted terrorists hiding in Arafat's and Rajoub's offices in Rammalah and Bitunia. According to the Israeli intelligence services, among the wanted is Ahmed Saadat the head of the PFLP and the murderers of the minister Rehavam Ze'evi. The IDF got clear orders to catch those wanted "at any price". Also, the Palestinians report that IDF forces started entering Kalkiliya.

Shouldn`t that be "at any Palestinian price"

	01-04-2002 01:36									#183
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quote: Originally posted by Andrew1999 I'm amazed at all the gloom and doom I'm seeing on this board. The change in attitude just in the last few days has been more than a little frightening, with all this talk about "the end of Israel." I will admit I'm sitting comfortably in my apartment 10,000 miles away but I have to step back and ask, Has it really gotten THAT bad over there?

It has always been about Israel's existance.

Unfortunately, Arafat has managed to trick the world opinion, and prevent them from seeing how is he nurturing Hamas.

	01-04-2002 01:39									#184
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quote: Originally posted by BlackStone And the targeting of civilians was used by Hamas as a way to derail any efforts at peace.

Nonsense.

It wasn't to "derail any efforts at peace".

It was used as part of Arafat's strategy, to get more land.

He gave the Hamas a free hand, and then told Israel that to stop them, Israel has to give up more.

Again, read this to see how Arafat nurtured his relationship with Hamas:

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/arti...fm?articleid=89

quote: The only way forward is to impose a settlement (no Israeli pun intended) from the outside.

Nonsense.

No one is interested enough to send his troops to enforce it.

An outside force will simply protect the terrorists in their hideouts. No one will protect an Israeli civilian like me.

	01-04-2002 01:39									#185
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quote: Originally posted by MORON with all this mess...killing sharon might even help......

don't go justifying your nickname

	01-04-2002 01:41									#186
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quote: Originally posted by BlackStone Pah ...I don`t know, these modern Israeli`s, always giving.

Explain to me again why is N. Ireland isn't a normal part of Ireland ?

	01-04-2002 01:42									#187
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov I wish to remind you this isn't other people's land. Prior to 1948 Jerusalem had Jews in it. So did most of the areas that are now settlements. They were either massacared or expelled by the Arab forces in 1948. So yes, giving away those lands is giving away "our" lands.

I didn`t say there were not Jews living there. Though there certainly weren`t that many. I am saying that you took the land and that it is not yours to be generous with.

There were expulsions and murders (on both sides) prior to this you did not have one side systematically changing the demographics.

	01-04-2002 01:42									#188
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I wonder what would you do when after finally have got rid of the palestinian and spelt them from their... your... "there", bunches of christian settlers start to build camps around. Of course you would feel rightfull enough to get your tanks over them too. You're the chosen ones.

	01-04-2002 01:45									#189
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quote: Originally posted by Waku Sirotnikov, you're as fanaticist as Arafat, I feel sorry for you man. Get a gun and go kill people.

You're a moron.

I don't want to get a gun and I don't want to f**king kill people.

I don't hate the palestinian people.

I hate Arafat and his bunch of terrorists.

How is wanting terrorsits dead as "fanaticism"?
Explain this to me.

You read about Arafat hijacking planes and killing civilians.
You read about Arafat nurturing Hamas and Jihad.

Then you talk to me about who is a fanaticist.

	01-04-2002 01:48									#190
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quote: Originally posted by Waku Unfortunately there are not evidences of understanding from any side, that's why this conflict lasts forever. And both of them should know it's the only way. They are condemned to withstand eachother, otherwise there's not solution.

You're not talking about two people misunderstanding each other.

You're talking about Palestinian leaders, who since 1920s have been using every political trick in the book to kick the Jews out.

	01-04-2002 01:49									#191
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov Explain to me again why is N. Ireland isn't a normal part of Ireland ?

Nice try Siro, Northern Ireland has a prodestant (loyalist) majority which wants to remain part of the UK. Try having a referendum on Israeli occupation in the Occupied territories and see how many votes you get.

The only paralel is that the IRA was founded on the inequality of Britsh rule and fueled by injustices (ironically that they went on to commit themselves). In this there is a similarity.

	01-04-2002 01:49									#192
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quote: Originally posted by Waku I wonder what would you do when after finally have got rid of the palestinian and spelt them from their... your... "there", bunches of christian settlers start to build camps around. Of course you would feel rightfull enough to get your tanks over them too. You're the chosen ones.

Who the **** is talking about getting rid of the Palestinians?

Again, you're judging Israel according to your own biases.

And what the **** is the relationship of christians to this? You still angry that Jews killed Jesus?

	01-04-2002 01:51									#193
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quote: Originally posted by BlackStone Nice try Siro, Northern Ireland has a prodestant (loyalist) majority which wants to remain part of the UK. Try having a referendum on Israeli occupation in the Occupied territories and see how many votes you get.

If I build some more settlements, and include the settlers in the vote, I'm sure I can also get a marjority which wants to remain part of Israel.

	01-04-2002 01:53									#194
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov Explain to me again why is N. Ireland isn't a normal part of Ireland ?

About the land if there were Albanians living in the region 50 years ago it would not make it part of Albania. They would just make up part of a minority populace in the area, nothing more.

	01-04-2002 01:53									#195
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quote: Originally posted by BlackStone I didn`t say there were not Jews living there. Though there certainly weren`t that many. I am saying that you took the land and that it is not yours to be generous with.

Sure it is.

Just like it is the palestinian's land to be generous with, when they claim they want "22% of historic palestine".

They're generous by giving up those territories in palestine which are now syria, lebanon, jordan and israel.

quote: There were expulsions and murders (on both sides) prior to this you did not have one side systematically changing the demographics.

Systematically changing the demographics?
You mean, like having 6 kids per family?
Like 600,000 refugees becoming 4 million?

	01-04-2002 01:56									#196
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quote: [SIZE=1] And what the **** is the relationship of christians to this? You still angry that Jews killed Jesus?

You Israeli`s killed Jesus as well..... ....Is anyone safe

	01-04-2002 01:56									#197
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quote: quote: That's why Arafat is the only one to be taken into the "common sense" path, I ask again. What evidence do you have that Arafat is at all interested in the common sense path?

He is going to ignore you, just like laurentius.

He isn't interested in hearing anything.

Instead of seriously replying he posts smilies and then tells me to go kill people.

At least there is blackstone to talk to.

	01-04-2002 01:57									#198
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov If I build some more settlements, and include the settlers in the vote, I'm sure I can also get a marjority which wants to remain part of Israel.

Unfortunately thats the problem.

	01-04-2002 01:58									#199
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well ,as long as muslim culture (tsk tsk blackstone ) insists on having a huge amount of kids , Muslim majorities are bound to become reality for some countries in europe , rather soon.

	01-04-2002 01:58									#200
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quote: Originally posted by BlackStone You Israeli`s killed Jesus as well..... ....Is anyone safe

Wear a yamacha if you wanna be safe

	01-04-2002 02:00									#201
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quote: Originally posted by BlackStone Unfortunately thats the problem.

So tell me, how many brittish settlers are there in N.Ireland?

How many convertees?

Why not divide Ireland in two parts?

Why not have the protestants go back to England and leave the occupied Irish land?

	01-04-2002 02:01									#202
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov Sure it is. Just like it is the palestinian's land to be generous with, when they claim they want "22% of historic palestine". They're generous by giving up those territories in palestine which are now syria, lebanon, jordan and israel. quote: There were expulsions and murders (on both sides) prior to this you did not have one side systematically changing the demographics. Systematically changing the demographics? You mean, like having 6 kids per family? Like 600,000 refugees becoming 4 million?

The Palestinians are P1ss poor. the only way that they can fight back is by out breeding you and being fanatical. They have not the resources to do anything else. And lets face it on the population front they are causing more then a little concern, so they are on to something, and no doubt having alot of fun into the bargain

	01-04-2002 02:02									#203
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov [q] At least there is blackstone to talk to.

Siro, you gallant antagonist

	01-04-2002 02:07									#204
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quote: Originally posted by Dalgetti well ,as long as muslim culture (tsk tsk blackstone ) insists on having a huge amount of kids , Muslim majorities are bound to become reality for some countries in europe , rather soon.

I hardly think i know what you are talking about . Slightly alarmist, but we are quite comfortable with our mixed societies, until the next riot that is

Anyway I thought that those settlers were quite eager to have large families.

	01-04-2002 02:11									#205
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The terrorist in Haifa was allowed to get in Israel, because he has Israeli citizenship - his mother is an Israeli citizen who lives in Israel.

Yet another example of how we are "opressing" him and his mother, and expelling them too.



A terrorist blew himself up next to a medical center in the Efrat settlement.

One of the casualties is a medic, which only yesterday gave medical care to yet another young palestinian from the territories.

	01-04-2002 02:14									#206
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quote: Originally posted by BlackStone The Palestinians are P1ss poor. the only way that they can fight back is by out breeding you and being fanatical. They have not the resources to do anything else. And lets face it on the population front they are causing more then a little concern, so they are on to something, and no doubt having alot of fun into the bargain

There are some rich people. I see many houses in the territories which are 10 times bigger than my piss appartment.

The rest are piss poor because Arafat keeps stealing their money. He has his own bank accounts. He spends most money on weapons (see Karin A) and on more helicopters and mercedes cars for himself and his friends.

	01-04-2002 02:15									#207
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov So tell me, how many brittish settlers are there in N.Ireland? How many convertees? Why not divide Ireland in two parts? Why not have the protestants go back to England and leave the occupied Irish land?

You are absolutely right. The settlers came in the form of scotish prodestants and the favours were given to pro british or imported british lords. But those people have now been there three hundred years not even the IRA wants them to leave they just want home rule.

Once people are established i think that it would be wrong to ask them to go. But they cannot stay at the expense of others on land acquired dubiously, or if by staying they infrindge on the rights of the surrounding populace.

I am a great believer that people take president over land, and that all people should receive the same treatment. I don`t see how an Israeli settler who has lived in the region 5mins can fill up his swimming pool and relax by it while a Palestinian who can trace his family back centuries (in the region) has to travel for miles for water, can be seen as just or even slightly civilised.

	01-04-2002 02:16									#208
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BS :

* oh wait... that may sound wrong )

BlackStone:

Settlers are mostly regular SECULAR people.

anyway , settlers : 200,000.
muslims : *starts counting* 1 , 2 ,3, 4, .....20, 21,21,22...... one BILLION !



anyway, your words quite alarm me.

One day, I might be forced to live in a muslim state.

...

time to counter this .

people ... Let's go get us some girls!!!

	01-04-2002 02:16									#209
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov You're a moron.

insulting.

quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov I don't want to get a gun and I don't want to f**king kill people. I don't hate the palestinian people.

lying.

quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov You're talking about Palestinian leaders, who since 1920s have been using every political trick in the book to kick the Jews out.

I bet they would prefer to have had the US support.

quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov Who the **** is talking about getting rid of the Palestinians?

obviously you'd prefer to hide that part. sorry again.

quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov And what the **** is the relationship of christians to this? You still angry that Jews killed Jesus?

Have you read my first post in this thread? Kill your fúcking gods at once!

quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov He is going to ignore you, just like laurentius. He isn't interested in hearing anything. Instead of seriously replying he posts smilies and then tells me to go kill people.

I did answer, it's you who doesn't read much and monopolizes the thread with your hate.

	01-04-2002 02:18									#210
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quote: Originally posted by BlackStone Siro, you gallant antagonist

One just has to know how to handle me.

What ticks me off and fast, is when instead of dealing with my words, people are accusing me of things based on their own biases.

Also when they ignore things I've said, and quote me out of context.

You don't do that - do you?