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Samara's best friend
Jan 2002
time: 05:18
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Originally posted by Wiglaf
Of course I'm acting under the assumption that homosexuality is a disorder on the same level as obesity. This is because man's primary biological purpose is reproduction, and this obviously cannot be accomplished by, shall we say, "gay behavior" alone.
If the obese (shall we say, fat) people all get tax deductions (which in America they now do), should homosexuals also be given some extra cash as well? Let's look at the facts.
FAT people get money from the government mainly as incentive to go join a weight loss clinic. The idea is that hopefully this will eventually reduce the number of obese in the nation and confront a public health crisis head on.
So should GAY people recieve money to get rid of their homosexuality through counseling or doctor visits? If eating too much is a health issue, having a population totally incapable of reproduction certainly is as well...
It's a simple question..do gays deserve money from the government as incentive to become straight, as fat people deserve money from the government as incentive to become thin? |
"gay behavior" is found not only in humans but in a large number of spiecies such as dolphins, monkeys, lions, etc....And from what I see they managed to survive.
What happenned is that the church and all mentelaties banned homosexuality so everyone who was didn't tell so they would'nt get "crusified". Since then our customs had never included gays in our societey. But since the 70's in become less of "crime" to be gay and more accepted up until now. So people now days are not afraid to "come out" like they were in the old days.
So I do not think the number of gays is rising but the number of people who "come out" does. Besides, in the early 1900's to 1950' gays weren't called gays, they were called priests.
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Originally posted by Wiglaf
The obese get a deduction. (which is true if you haven't noticed) Therefore gays deserve one too, as both disorders can bring down the country.
What exactly is wrong with that logic? |
I'd like to know what this statement is based upon.
If you mean that some obese people are eligible for Social Security Disability, then as a Disability Determination Service consultant I'd like for you to know that in order to recieve disability they generally have to have evidence of end organ damage such as Congestive Heart Failure, Pickwick's Syndrome severe arthritis, etc. None of these conditions is exactly a walk in the park.
If you mean that they can decalre itemize medical deductions, then this is true for anyone provided that your medical expenses exceed a certain percentage of your gross income and that your total itemized deductions exceed your standard deduction.
Total medical costs have to exceed 7.5% of your gross income inorder to entitle you to declare medical expenses as a deduction. That means that if you make $30,000/ year you would have to spend $2250 in order to qualify. For those of you with insurance please remember that you can not declare the portion of your medical bills paid for by your insurance, because that's Tax Fraud.
So give me a break. Anyone who spends this much on medical care really needs the deduction! Most of them are likely to be eldery people on a meager stipend or SSI, in which case their medical bills generally run up to 30% or more of their annual income. If you were a man you'd demand that these poor old folks get some assistance with their pharmacy bills.
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Read the rest of my post. If he's refering to itemized medical deductionsd then anyone can get a deduction, you just have to spend more than 7.5% of your income on medical treatments.
Regrading the topic of this thread, there is no medical treatment for homosexuality, but you might see a psychiatrist for treatment of a "Situational Stress Adjustment Disorder" if you were sufficiently depressed or anxious about the way people treat you because you're a homosexual. If your bills were high enough then I guess you could get a deduction.
So I guess it's settled. Homosexuals can get deductions. I'm so glad that we cleared that up.
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finkian
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Charm City
Mar 2002
time: 00:18
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This whole argument is based entirely on the premise that 1--homosexuals are sick, and 2-- that they can be cured of their "disease."
I hate to repeat what someone else already said, but homosexuality, again and again, has been shown NOT to be a disease, but an unusual part of animal society. As mentioned before, any number of animals also engage in this behavior. I suppose if you want something that takes place in NATURE to be called UNNATURAL, perhaps you should reevaluate your compentency as far as how to speak the english language. Oh, not to mention, as said before but tactfully ignored, the american medical association and the american psych association have decided that homosexuality is NOT a disease. Therefore, why would they need treatment? I don't foresee a tax break unless there is a valid disease.
Also, surprisingly enough, and ignored enough by the conservative right, but homosexual therapy does NOT work. For instance, many of these men who have undergone therapy with priests and such, while married with children, still masturbate.... thinking about men! These "therapies" are only effective as a means of making people dream that they are straight, not make them actually heterosexual.
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MrFun
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of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:18
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Originally posted by finkian
This whole argument is based entirely on the premise that 1--homosexuals are sick, and 2-- that they can be cured of their "disease."
I hate to repeat what someone else already said, but homosexuality, again and again, has been shown NOT to be a disease, but an unusual part of animal society. As mentioned before, any number of animals also engage in this behavior. I suppose if you want something that takes place in NATURE to be called UNNATURAL, perhaps you should reevaluate your compentency as far as how to speak the english language. Oh, not to mention, as said before but tactfully ignored, the american medical association and the american psych association have decided that homosexuality is NOT a disease. Therefore, why would they need treatment? I don't foresee a tax break unless there is a valid disease.
Also, surprisingly enough, and ignored enough by the conservative right, but homosexual therapy does NOT work. For instance, many of these men who have undergone therapy with priests and such, while married with children, still masturbate.... thinking about men! These "therapies" are only effective as a means of making people dream that they are straight, not make them actually heterosexual. |
Thank you for not ignoring my post. 
And I want to add my own comments about those ignorant-based "therapy" groups you mentioned.
Those therapy groups could possibly be manipulating closeted homosexuals, or homosexuals who are still coming out to themselves, whom have low self-esteem, low confidence, or having some other kind of difficulty in accepting a true part of their identity.
These fake therapy groups are misleading these deceived people into thinking they can change something that cannot be changed. All they can do, is change their behavior and ACT like straight people, when they will always be gay or bisexual.
And the American Psychology Association and the American Medical Association did not change their stand on homosexuality overnight due to political pressure from 5% of the population that have little political influence.
They changed their statements about homosexuality after several research projects and studies that were done in the psychological field.
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