05-04-2002 11:16									#91
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I think everyone should be given a tax break. hehe
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	05-04-2002 11:33									#92
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quote: Originally posted by connorkimbro [wry grin] I think everyone should be given a tax break. hehe [/wry grin]

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	05-04-2002 12:05									#93
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	05-04-2002 13:42									#94
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IMO they should pay more tax (in countries which provide a health service). AIDS and more psychological problems (attempted suicide rates are higher in gays), means that they have problems that need to be dealt with. This costs the rest of the nation and as such straights are subsidising the living costs of gays.

	05-04-2002 13:44									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's IMO they should pay more tax (in countries which provide a health service). AIDS and more psychological problems (attempted suicide rates are higher in gays), means that they have problems that need to be dealt with. This costs the rest of the nation and as such straights are subsidising the living costs of gays.

If you're going to charge people more for health care because they're more at risk for one thing or another, why would it still be a public system?

By your logic teenage males in general should pay higher taxes, since they have the highest suicide rates out of all demographics, not to mention AIDS risk and other psychological problems.

Kudos to you for sinking lower than I ever thought possible.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher If you're going to charge people more for health care because they're more at risk for one thing or another, why would it still be a public system? By your logic teenage males in general should pay higher taxes, since they have the highest suicide rates out of all demographics, not to mention AIDS risk and other psychological problems. Kudos to you for sinking lower than I ever thought possible.

Teenage males don't generally have an income, fool.

	05-04-2002 13:52									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Teenage males don't generally have an income, fool.

Many do, especially in their late teens.
That still doesn't change the fact that they should be taxed higher.

Oh, and how about pregnant women? That's a timebomb waiting to go off. You know for sure they're going to be in the hospital soon, let's jack their taxes up. And how about after a pregnancy? Post-partum depression is quite common, so let's keep their taxes high.

Oh ****, then they get middleaged. Lots of midlife crisis stuff going on now. Maybe they'll buy a sports car and drive it into a wall. Raise those taxes...

	05-04-2002 13:57									#98
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Exactly, these things happen to everyone so teenage males, pregnant women, middle-aged people shouldn't pay a higher tax rate.

But AIDS is pretty much the sole preserve of the homosexual classes and as so they should pay the cost of treatment.

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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Exactly, these things happen to everyone so teenage males, pregnant women, middle-aged people shouldn't pay a higher tax rate.

No, those things are more likely to happen to a specific demographic. Therefore they should pay higher taxes, right? That was your logic before, why are you changing your tune now?

quote: But AIDS is pretty much the sole preserve of the homosexual classes and as so they should pay the cost of treatment.

That is a complete lie. AIDS is widespread today among homosexuals AND heterosexuals, you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Maybe women should always pay higher taxes since they're statistically more likely to be giving birth than men, and that costs money...

And perhaps people with abysmal IQs like yourself should pay higher taxes, since you're quite likely to end your life by walking infront of a bus.

	05-04-2002 14:04									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Asher No, those things are more likely to happen to a specific demographic. Therefore they should pay higher taxes, right? That was your logic before, why are you changing your tune now? That is a complete lie. AIDS is widespread today among homosexuals AND heterosexuals, you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Maybe women should always pay higher taxes since they're statistically more likely to be giving birth than men, and that costs money... And perhaps people with abysmal IQs like yourself should pay higher taxes, since you're quite likely to end your life by walking infront of a bus.

If I did so, it wouldn't cost the taxpayer that much.

The fact is AIDS has a far far higher prevalence amongst gays than straights and no arguing will turn around that fact. Hepatitis rates are higher too.

The fact is that virtually everyone is going be teenage, middle-aged at some point in their life..therefore their taxes for health care shouldn't be higher. But not everyone is going to endulge in risky sexual practices, most gays (if not all) will though.

	05-04-2002 14:05									#101
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quote: But AIDS is pretty much the sole preserve of the homosexual classes and as so they should pay the cost of treatment

a) 75+% of AIDS cases are among heteros. Granted this gives homosexuals a higher infection rate than the general pop, but you can't possible call it the "sole preserve".

b) The point of socialised medicine is that health is not for sale. We don't charge fat people, construction workers, diabetics or hemophiliacs more. Why would we single out homosexuals?

c) You're a wanker

	05-04-2002 14:08									#102
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse quote: But AIDS is pretty much the sole preserve of the homosexual classes and as so they should pay the cost of treatment a) 75+% of AIDS cases are among heteros. Granted this gives homosexuals a higher infection rate than the general pop, but you can't possible call it the "sole preserve".

Your stats are faulty and have no link. URL?

quote: b) The point of socialised medicine is that health is not for sale. We don't charge fat people, construction workers, diabetics or hemophiliacs more. Why would we single out homosexuals?

The state charges an extra tax on cigarettes, in part to cover additional health costs.

Perhaps an additional tax should be levied on things like latex sheets or thick condoms,in order that homosexuals pay for their own treatment. This will stop society paying for the brunt of it.

	05-04-2002 14:08									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's The fact is AIDS has a far far higher prevalence amongst gays than straights and no arguing will turn around that fact. Hepatitis rates are higher too.

Could you provide some links for that?
At least where I live, a recent study showed gays were just slightly more likely to get HIV than straights. They were pretty even odds.

quote: The fact is that virtually everyone is going be teenage, middle-aged at some point in their life..therefore their taxes for health care shouldn't be higher. But not everyone is going to endulge in risky sexual practices, most gays (if not all) will though.

You're such a bigot. I can't believe you even deny it.

Gays are not more likely to endulge in risky sexual practices, despite what your subconcious imagines when you sleep. Teenagers, in general, are quite likely to engage in risky sexual practices. Because someone's gay doesn't mean they're going to be having sex without condoms.

You're saying gays should pay higher taxes because they're more likely to get sick. First of all, that's not exactly correct. Second of all, women are more likely to get pregnant, why aren't they being taxed more? Third of all, teenagers are more likely to have STDs than adults, why aren't they being taxed more?

If you're advocating gays being taxed higher, you'll have to live with more taxes for yourself and your bigoted ass, because statistically you're at the age where you do consistently stupid things that endanger your life and others. Deal with it, Stewie.

Public health care is just that, public. You don't pay more or less depending on how likely you are to die. If you want a system like that, go deal with the lovely HMOs in America. Have you ever dealt with those, Stewie?

	05-04-2002 14:16									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Could you provide some links for that? At least where I live, a recent study showed gays were just slightly more likely to get HIV than straights. They were pretty even odds.

"Gay men accounted for 80 per cent of new infections from 1981 to 1983, but by 1996 made up less than one-third of all new cases."

There you go. Given that 1% of populations are gay (liberal estimate), that means gays are way way more likely to be spreading AIDS.

And they started the ball rolling in the 80s as well, which could be even worse.

quote: Gays are not more likely to endulge in risky sexual practices, despite what your subconcious imagines when you sleep. Teenagers, in general, are quite likely to engage in risky sexual practices. Because someone's gay doesn't mean they're going to be having sex without condoms.

I'm not talking sex without condoms. I've seen factual sites about this...gays actually ingest faeces, and lick arses. Straight teenaegrs don' do that!

quote: saying gays should pay higher taxes because they're more likely to get sick.[quote] Bravo! [quote]First of all, that's not exactly correct. Second of all, women are more likely to get pregnant, why aren't they being taxed more? Third of all, teenagers are more likely to have STDs than adults, why aren't they being taxed more?

All taxpayers have been a teenager at some point so there is no differentiation there.

However not everyone is gay.

quote: If you're advocating gays being taxed higher, you'll have to live with more taxes for yourself and your bigoted ass, because statistically you're at the age where you do consistently stupid things that endanger your life and others. Deal with it, Stewie.

Everyone who goes on to be a taxpayer bes this age at some point in their lives so there's no need to differentiate.

However, not everyone is gay.

quote: Public health care is just that, public. You don't pay more or less depending on how likely you are to die. If you want a system like that, go deal with the lovely HMOs in America. Have you ever dealt with those, Stewie?

HMOs?

You should pay health insurance based on your risk of incurring health costs. Gays thus should pay higher.

Similar to car insurance and drivers who indulge in risky unwarranted behaviour.

	05-04-2002 14:17									#105
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quote: Your stats are faulty and have no link. URL?

You're full of brown stuff. Do a search yourself. My stats were good as of 4-5 years ago when I did a research paper on the spread of HIV in North America.

quote: The state charges an extra tax on cigarettes, in part to cover additional health costs. Perhaps an additional tax should be levied on things like latex sheets or thick condoms,in order that homosexuals pay for their own treatment

There is a very significant deterrance motivation in punitive taxes. Would you rather gays didn't use condoms? Whatever additional revenue you would raise through this method would be swamped by the immense extra cost of additional AIDS cases (25000$US/year, IIRC).

quote: This will stop society paying for the brunt of it

Socialised medicine. Socialised medicine. Repeat it as many times as is required. There is a fair deal of wealth redistribution going on in such a system. That's deliberate and worthwhile.

	05-04-2002 14:21									#106
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quote: Given that 1% of populations are gay (liberal estimate)

Speaking of bullshit...

	05-04-2002 14:22									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's "Gay men accounted for 80 per cent of new infections from 1981 to 1983, but by 1996 made up less than one-third of all new cases." There you go. Given that 1% of populations are gay (liberal estimate), that means gays are way way more likely to be spreading AIDS. And they started the ball rolling in the 80s as well, which could be even worse.

You don't even understand the concept of a link, Infat?
And I don't care about 1981 infection rates, I care about NOW.
Heterosexuals are RAPIDLY rising up on the infection rates. They passed homosexuals in the early 90s and continue to soar.

And 1% of the population is gay? Hahaha...yeah, okay, someone's in denial.
And in England, I wouldn't be surprised if the rate was as high as 40% from what I've seen.

quote: I'm not talking sex without condoms. I've seen factual sites about this...gays actually ingest faeces, and lick arses. Straight teenaegrs don' do that!

They don't?
Have you ever had sexual relations, Stewie? I'm guessing not.
Many girls give oral sex. Many guys give cunnilingus. It goes both ways. And what makes you think all gays ingest faeces and lick arses? That's like saying all straight men go the backdoor on the woman...

quote: All taxpayers have been a teenager at some point so there is no differentiation there. However not everyone is gay.

Oh, so whoever is deemed "normal" shall benefit from lower taxes while "freaks" should pay more. How about black people? Are you going to say they're more likely to be violent and pay higher taxes as well?

quote: HMOs? You should pay health insurance based on your risk of incurring health costs. Gays thus should pay higher. Similar to car insurance and drivers who indulge in risky unwarranted behaviour.

But the incurring health costs is NOT higher. Gays, in general, also lead healthier lifestyles according to many reports. They go to gyms more, they exercise more, they're less likely to be 40 year old men with beerbellies watching football matches and drinking every night away at the club like you will be.

You have NO facts or figures to back up your argument, you're trolling without a cause.

	05-04-2002 14:22									#108
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Not if it is encouraging risky behaviour and spreading money from straights to gays (gays tend to earn more than straights so this is hardly fair wealth re-distribution; it's just the poor paying the rich in order that the rich can be increasingly risky)

	05-04-2002 14:24									#109
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I read the posts from Wiggy and Boddington on this thread for some comic relief.

The Book of Myths and Distortions, by Wiggy and Boddington, published, 2001

1) AIDS is a gay disease

2) homosexuals are mentally unstable, since they are unable to be productive members of society

3) homosexuals are the same as pedophiles (not stated, but I bet that is what they believe)

4) coming out has no significant meaning, nor does it contain any legitimacy

5) all gays are flamboyant and all gays are overly feminine

Some of these myths were not stated by Wiggy or Boddington, but how much you want to bet, based on their ignorance so far, this is what they believe.

	05-04-2002 14:26									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Not if it is encouraging risky behaviour and spreading money from straights to gays (gays tend to earn more than straights so this is hardly fair wealth re-distribution; it's just the poor paying the rich in order that the rich can be increasingly risky)

a) Do you have any proof at all that gay men in general are more of a burden on the health system than straight men?

b) If you do, compare to the case of a rich diabetic. We don't charge him more because of his condition; we charge him more because he has more. If gays earn more than straight men then they are already paying higher taxes.

	05-04-2002 14:27									#111
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I read the posts from Wiggy and Boddington on this thread for some comic relief. The Book of Myths and Distortions, by Wiggy and Boddington, published, 2001 1) AIDS is a gay disease

It was, but as a result of bisexuals having relations with gay men and straight women, they caught it off the gay men and passed on to the straight women.

quote: 2) homosexuals are mentally unstable, since they are unable to be productive members of society

I don't agree with this. You can be mentally stable too.

quote: 3) homosexuals are the same as pedophiles (not stated, but I bet that is what they believe)

No, homosexuals like men, paedophiles like children. Not the same.

quote: 4) coming out has no significant meaning, nor does it contain any legitimacy

You do it to let others know you're gay.

quote: 5) all gays are flamboyant and all gays are overly feminine

In general they are more feminine and flamboyant than straight men.

quote: Some of these myths were not stated by Wiggy or Boddington, but how much you want to bet, based on their ignorance so far, this is what they believe.

Quit trolling.

	05-04-2002 14:27									#112
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quote: 5) all gays are flamboyant and all gays are overly feminine

Maybe not, but why do so many of the gay men I know tend to pick up exaggerated affectations?

	05-04-2002 14:27									#113
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Oh, Stewie, you didn't respond to my post. No sex for you tonight, little guy.

	05-04-2002 14:35									#114
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse quote: 5) all gays are flamboyant and all gays are overly feminine Maybe not, but why do so many of the gay men I know tend to pick up exaggerated affectations?

Take me for example -- I'm not overly masculine, nor am I overly feminine. I am where most heterosexuals, homosexuals, and bisexuals lie -- towards the center.

I believe that both genders have some measure of both, masculinity and feminity in them, but one is either more dominant than the other, or you are towards the center.

But sometimes, just to bullshit or joke around, a guy who is not normally overly feminine will act like that just to express themselves in a funny way in certain situations.

Being overly feminine is a stereotype that many heterosexuals have of homosexuals, when it is more complicated than what they perceive to be.

	05-04-2002 14:55									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Spectator "Gay behavior" is found not only in humans but in a large number of spiecies such as dolphins, monkeys, lions, etc..

You're right Spec. I went to Sea World one time, and the dolphins there were so gay. Then there are those monkeys that wear those little hats and beg for money. They are so gay too.

	05-04-2002 17:43									#116
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quote: Since homosexuality would be a trait that is selected against, the "biological disaster" you speak of will not occur.

It is occuring. We've lost millions of babies to homosexuality, if you think about it. Give them a tax deduction - their behavior, through the application of simple biology, must GO.

	05-04-2002 19:24									#117
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Or MAYBE where the birthrates are too high (like Africa), homosexuals should be sent there and then heterosexuals sent from there to where birthrates are declining?



And a new question -


Is having a low sperm count a sin? . Follow Wiglaf's logic.

	05-04-2002 20:53									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's But AIDS is pretty much the sole preserve of the homosexual classes and as so they should pay the cost of treatment.

Wtf are you talking about?! Are you directly out of the 80's??! From what rock did you crawl out from? AIDS is everybody's business and anybody can get it. You know Freddy Mercury died a long time ago, and the myth that only gays get AIDS also. Why do you think so many kids are born with AIDS?! Cause the're mom was infected before they got pregnant. And saying that Aids belongs to the gay community is like saying that all blondes are stupid. (Ok, bad example but you get my drift.) And why do you think they sell condoms in highschools? It's not just to prevent pregnancies....


wake up dude!!

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	05-04-2002 21:15									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf It is occuring. We've lost millions of babies to homosexuality, if you think about it. Give them a tax deduction - their behavior, through the application of simple biology, must GO.

Last time I checked, the human population is not decreasing, but is increasing just like it pretty much always has. So what are you talking about?

	05-04-2002 21:45									#120
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The population of the so called western world is decreasing indead and the number of population can be helt only with a significant ammount of immigrants from the third world, which is increasing with a big rate.

So, according to Wiglaf's theory the rate of gays in the western world must be much higher than in the third world.