20-04-2002 08:26									#61
	Inflate your Upload Space

Governors still do not work correctly. They build Workers even when 'Build Workers' is set to 'Never' (same as 1.17).

	20-04-2002 08:49									#62
	Increase Your PM Length

The game crashes when I build a wonder, but only when I do it. Wonder splash malfunction?

	20-04-2002 09:21									#63
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Minor Bug:
If you build a city improvement in a city before it goes into civil disorder and then disband a unit in that city, so that the improvement is finished, the pop-up that asks you to choose a new improvement only displays military units. (No I wasn't moblized and no I didn't build all the improvements in that city)

	20-04-2002 11:08									#64
	Aquaducts Full PM-box? Change here!

quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley Aqueducts are now required in cities that have rivers within their radius, excluding the capital. Can someone else confirm this please. My bad. I never noticed that before, oops. :embarassed: Was I getting a free ride in my previous games?

Something I noticed, but can not confirm it due to a lost book, is that SOME cities over size 6, and next to large lakes no longer need aquaducts. Cities next to oceans do but lake front property don't.

Does anyone have a problem with the TINY tech tree boxes that cut off the words and training time?

Also, I have come across the first game where there are none of the little Indian villages. Not the huts but the tiny bubble looking villages that give money, maps, tech and rampaging villagers.

Has anyone else seen these things?

	20-04-2002 11:12									#65
	Ver 1.17 games Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by randommushroom Okay, here's my problem. I just installed 1.21 and now I can't load any of my saved games from 1.17. It gets to about 5% loaded and then I get up a Windows pop-up that says Data I/O error. Anyone else had this problem?

Sit down and take a deep breath. Your computer is not dying. I ran into this on 1 of my older version games but not the others. There may be something in the size of the game or something that 1.21 doesn't like.

Remember deep breaths....

	20-04-2002 11:29									#66
	GREAT LIBRARY MAKES ITSELF OBSOLETE Support Apolyton

Yes, the stupid Great Library STILL makes itself obsolete by offering us Education!

I consider this a bug.

We should have the option to accept Education OR NOT from the GL, or just develop it normally.

	20-04-2002 11:55									#67
	Future Tech start not working Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

If you set the properties of Player 1 to start at Future Tech age in the editor (and not change anything else) the game bombs out within about a couple of turns.

	20-04-2002 12:01									#68
	Re: GREAT LIBRARY MAKES ITSELF OBSOLETE Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by Coracle Yes, the stupid Great Library STILL makes itself obsolete by offering us Education! I consider this a bug. We should have the option to accept Education OR NOT from the GL, or just develop it normally.

I actually like this. if my enemy has the library (95%) of the time, i will shoot for education, then sell to another to try to kill the effectiveness of it. what works against you, works against the computer.

why is this a bug? its doing EXACTLY what its programmed to do?

	20-04-2002 12:31									#69
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This is minor, but with the hp modifiers, the cap on rate of fire needs to be raised from 10.

Before the max hp a unit could have was ussually going to be 5. Now in alot of mods (like the stuff im doing now) will have some modern units with a bonus giving them like 15 hp or such, meaning a cruise missile with max rate of fire would be incapable of killing them in 1 shot (maybe even makes sense cause of armor), in any case, I dont think that was intended and see no real reason for the cap at 10.

The cap should at least be equal to max hp any single unit (non-army) can have so we can make cruise missiles with a good chance to be lethal to anything

Only thing Ive noticed so far thats been unmentioned.

	20-04-2002 12:55									#70
	worker bug, advisor crash Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Okay I installed the 1.21 and loaded my saved game. My workers that I sent to automatically clean up pollution got mowed down my mech-infantry in my own cities as they tried to go through. I know this was a bug from before, but I thought it was fixed. Guess not.

Also I had a complete crash back to desktop twice while trying to get to my advisors screen. This never happened before I applied the 1.21 patch.

*sigh*

-Apolex

	20-04-2002 12:56									#71
	Increase Your PM Length

I've hit Caravels with Cruise Missiles in unmodded 1.17 and they don't sink in one shot. What's different?

	20-04-2002 13:53									#72
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

First game ended in the unhandled exception in sound.dll others have mentioned.

I was playing the Greeks and went to war with the indians (2nd time actually).

They was furious with me, and I asked for peace (overextended rather than my troops are approaching was how I asked if that matters), and for peace I asked for their world map + construction + one of their workers. My advisor said this deal will probally be acceptable. As soon as I hit the "Will this deal be acceptable" option, the music sort of changed and went into a weird infinite loop (I could also hear my CD spinning up), after about 15 seconds of that the exception came up.

The first time I asked for peace in a very similar manner it didnt crash.

It is also repeatable with the autosave file. I repeated it at least once from it, though I didnt check save random seed so it may not be everytime if something about it is random.

EDIT:
System Specs:
900 mz athlon
512 megs of RAM
Motherboard: ECS K7VZA (mentioned mostly cause I use the onboard sound)
Toshiba DVD (dont remember exact model #)
Windows ME
Using the typical rather than full install

Oh and this one's logical but worth saying. The crash goes away if you turn off sound

Attachment: civilization iii autosave 430 ad.sav
This has been downloaded 3 time(s).

Last edited by wervdon on 20-04-2002 at 14:11

	20-04-2002 14:21									#73
	Suffering from ads?

Hahaha... they didn't do a damn thing about the horrendous tech whoring or AI BS... Why do we keep taking this punishement. ROFL. Traded my game in anyways, tried a freinds and he is on the floor right now laughing. Firaxis is about to become the big joke. Bugs galore!!!!!!!! Who play tested this patch, a chimp on an SNES or COLECO...... ROFLMAO.

*bashes self in head* STooopid STooopid consumer.

This may be the fix that never comes....

	20-04-2002 14:46									#74
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Another minor thing. It'd be nice if units that get hitpoint bonuses showed that in their stats in their civlopedia entries along with attack/defense/movement.

	20-04-2002 16:54									#75
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quote: they didn't do a damn thing about the horrendous tech whoring or AI BS.

You can change this in the editor. And it works.

	20-04-2002 19:52									#76
	Increase Your PM Length

A quote from the offical Civ3 site:-

"Based on the feedback from the mod and scenario community we will make additional improvements and incorporate new features. The editors are just tools, ones that the fan community needs to make meaningful by creating new scenarios with. As those in the 'trenches' of creating new content run into limitations, we'll work on eradicating those barriers."

Well here is a limitation that needs eradicating....WHY CAN WE NO LONGER ADD NEW UNITS WITH THIS LATEST PATCH!

I thought that the idea was to remove barriers, not create new ones!

(I don't remember anyone ever saying "hey, if I press 'Rename' then 'Cancel' and then the 'A' key I can add new units. This a bug, please fix it Firaxis.....")

Last edited by Kryten on 20-04-2002 at 20:19

	20-04-2002 20:22									#77
	Bombard? Put an end to popups!

I loaded the patch and then loaded a saved game where I had a ton of planes. Bombed enemy ships. But after their ships went all the way down to low red health I could no longer bomb them! How do I kill them if I can't bomb? Will this only work in a game started in 1.21?

	20-04-2002 21:45									#78
	Re: Bombard? Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by bob1475 I loaded the patch and then loaded a saved game where I had a ton of planes. Bombed enemy ships. But after their ships went all the way down to low red health I could no longer bomb them! How do I kill them if I can't bomb? Will this only work in a game started in 1.21?

The default is still that you cannot kill with bombardment. You have to go into the editor and change the bombarding units' capabilities.

	20-04-2002 22:25									#79
	Adding units Full PM-box? Change here!

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the ability to add units a product of the hacked editor, not the Firaxis version?

	20-04-2002 22:41									#80
	Tired of ads?

I'm not sure if it originated with firaxis or not. I thought it was more of a bug someone found with the 1.17 patch.

	21-04-2002 00:49									#81
	Patch useless Inflate your Upload Space

Since I can no longer set the correct civ starting locations because none of the save game editors work, the patch is useless and has been uninstalled.

Since the patch breaks any of the work arounds necessary to get any enjoyment from this game the patch is worse then useless it is dangerous.

I would rather play with an older version and have fun then a newer version and be totally bored.

Bad patch! Firaxis "support?" is actually making the game worse!

	21-04-2002 01:32									#82
	Re: Patch useless Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by jbs Since I can no longer set the correct civ starting locations because none of the save game editors work, the patch is useless and has been uninstalled. Since the patch breaks any of the work arounds necessary to get any enjoyment from this game the patch is worse then useless it is dangerous. I would rather play with an older version and have fun then a newer version and be totally bored. Bad patch! Firaxis "support?" is actually making the game worse!

First:
It's not FIraxis job to support unofficial editors.

Second:
Wait several days until new version of unofficial editor is out.
There is alreday hacked aditor which has ADD button for units.

Third:
Threre are plenty interesting things that can be done in editor.

For ex:
How to make nuclear-apocalipse scenraio?

Put many tileimp on map.
Put pollution too.
Select civs.
Give them some money, and several settelers.
Give them some tech.
Give them some advanced units for free.

	21-04-2002 02:06									#83
	Re: Adding units Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Dom Pedro II Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the ability to add units a product of the hacked editor, not the Firaxis version?

The ability to add/remove units has always been in the Civ3Editor, it's just that the buttons were disabled so that the player couldn't use them. Then someone (I think that it was Skywalker) discovered that a hacked editor was not necessary and all you had to do was rename/cancel/press 'A' to add new units. This will no longer work in the current patch.

Fortunately, Jimmyh has created a new hacked editor for 1.21f. He says that it only took him 2 minutes to go through and set the flag so that the add & delete buttons are visible again.

	21-04-2002 02:53									#84
	No barbarians Enter the AD-FREE zone

I just realized why people are reporting games without barb huts. Since they added No Barbarians as an option, if you choose Random, then you have a chance of drawing None on your map. Guess my new setting is Restless.

homegrown

	21-04-2002 04:44									#85
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Keep in mind a game started in 1.17f would have a different rule set as to compared to the new 1.21f patch.

	21-04-2002 04:51									#86
	Re: Re: Adding units Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by Kryten The ability to add/remove units has always been in the Civ3Editor, it's just that the buttons were disabled so that the player couldn't use them. Then someone (I think that it was Skywalker) discovered that a hacked editor was not necessary and all you had to do was rename/cancel/press 'A' to add new units. This will no longer work in the current patch. Fortunately, Jimmyh has created a new hacked editor for 1.21f. He says that it only took him 2 minutes to go through and set the flag so that the add & delete buttons are visible again.

Thats the way I remember it. The question is why did firaxis improve the icons i 1.21 so we could add more resources and units (with icons) then disable that function. The answer: IMO they're gonna sell it in the XP! I think there will also be an official version of flicster and maybe new animations or pieces of animations that can be put together for new units.

	21-04-2002 06:10									#87
	Increase Your PM Length

Sorry if that has been reported earlier, but stack movement (J) doesn't work anymore for fortified units. It worked fine in 1.17f. Now I have to wake the whole gang one by one to stack move them.

	21-04-2002 06:33									#88
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Thats how its supposed to work, only moving awake units Ralph.

	21-04-2002 07:04									#89
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Stacks from Fortified...

Shift, Right-Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, J, gone.

	21-04-2002 08:47									#90
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With old saved games (pre-1.21f) you are stuck with the new random number generator rule (results change on reload). There is no way to reset to the old rule in a saved game.

Hope someone knows how to do it.....