21-04-2002 14:37									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Allemand With old saved games (pre-1.21f) you are stuck with the new random number generator rule (results change on reload). There is no way to reset to the old rule in a saved game. Hope someone knows how to do it.....

Do you mean that it regenerates the number?

	21-04-2002 14:41									#92
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Yup. That option is on for old saved games. I can send you one.

	21-04-2002 15:01									#93
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Another repeatable crash bug. I dont know if this one is related to the patch, mods ive made to the rules, or is just me.

Everytime I try to access the city governor with the right click menu on a city (any city) it comes up with critical exception in civilization.exe Its just this game though, id been able to use governors all I wanted in my previous games.

Maybe its that some of my cities are in civil disorder (not sure), thats why I went to access the governors....oh well have to fix it the not lazy way

EDIT: Confirmed, I can access the governors just fine as soon as I manually bring all my cities out of civil disorder. Not sure if its all civil disorder though or just disorder brought on by anarchy between governments (the situation that led to it in that game)

Attachment: civilization iii autosave 990 ad.sav
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	21-04-2002 15:10									#94
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Yup. That option is on for old saved games. I can send you one.

I think I know how to edit the old save rules.
And I thing the option (checkbox is off)

	21-04-2002 16:53									#95
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Shift, Right-Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, J, gone.

Thanks for this hint, I hadn't found this yet. Now it makes sense.

Another issue I found, the new city governor let people starve although there would be possibility to feed all. Even if I emphasize production, it could lead to zero growth, but should not lead to unnecessary starvation.

	21-04-2002 19:28									#96
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I have a problem where the game won't load my mods where I have modified the tech tree somewhat. it just crashes when finished loading.

I used to have this problem with these mods. the dialogue would come up - "go to map generation" or "Jump directly into the game". If I chose to not go to map generation, it would crash. Now I don't have the option of choosing world parameters, and it crashes every time!!!!!

	21-04-2002 20:18									#97
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Gramphos, the random seed option is off on the old saved games, so we're stuck with the "new" option of getting a different number on a reload.

	21-04-2002 21:55									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Allemand Gramphos, the random seed option is off on the old saved games, so we're stuck with the "new" option of getting a different number on a reload.

I wonder why that was changed? One thought that crossed my mind was that code interfered with random number generation. By that I mean the combats we've seen where on a fifty/fifty combat you can often see one side or the other score multiple hits without retaliation. Something that shouldn't happen statisically as often as it does.

	22-04-2002 00:28									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Apolex Okay I installed the 1.21 and loaded my saved game. My workers that I sent to automatically clean up pollution got mowed down my mech-infantry in my own cities as they tried to go through. I know this was a bug from before, but I thought it was fixed. Guess not. Also I had a complete crash back to desktop twice while trying to get to my advisors screen. This never happened before I applied the 1.21 patch. *sigh* -Apolex

I've also had the game crash 4 times, always when trying to access the advisor screen.

(edit)
Played this weekend : Problem is getting worse. I'm still in the same game, but now the whole game is unstable... it just crashes to the desktop every 2 to 3 turns. No warnings or error messages.
I'm running Win2K professional on an Athlon 1G with 256 Megs RAM and a Hercules Kyro ProphetII with 64M.

I'll attach the game this evening.

	22-04-2002 00:35									#100
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The only thing I have seen, and still I am not sure about, except on the continent that I am on, (and it is quite large) is that -- there are no luxury resources. Dyes, Furs, whatever, - none on my part of the map. Not a one. Deer, gold, iron, and that stuff, but no luxuries resources.

Maybe I will try re-installing the patch, but that seem to go without a hitch.

Anyone else notice this yet, playing on 5 billion, islands, normal, temperate, type random map, except took off, I think, random seed thing, - not sure what that means yets, - not sure if I am using that or not - rule (when starting game) - think I took it off.

	22-04-2002 01:58									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos I think I know how to edit the old save rules. And I thing the option (checkbox is off)

I was not offering to teach you about editing these files....

Sorry if it came across like that. I was offering to send you a sav started with 1.17 where the seed is reset on reload.

	22-04-2002 01:59									#102
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Two bugs:

1. colors are messed up. AI civs colors change with every game I play
2. Building the Hanging Gardens didn't cause a Golden Age for my civ (the Egyptians). I never had a Golden Age before during that game, so it couldn't have been that.

	22-04-2002 02:34									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Two bugs: 1. colors are messed up. AI civs colors change with every game I play 2. Building the Hanging Gardens didn't cause a Golden Age for my civ (the Egyptians). I never had a Golden Age before during that game, so it couldn't have been that.

Hanging Gardens has Industrious trait, but not Religious trait.
So you couldn't start golden age, just with that wonder.

	22-04-2002 03:25									#104
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Is it my imagination or can you only move units of the same type, ie all riflemen, but not cannons or calvary, with the J command? Was it like this on 1.17? I can't remember.

	22-04-2002 03:26									#105
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...I didn't read this whole thread. I just wanted to post that the foreign advisor is still all f*cked up: It's still only showing the players' relationship w/ AI civs, not everyone's standing w/ everyone, AI or not. Annoying? You bet.

	22-04-2002 03:36									#106
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quote: Originally posted by lorddread Is it my imagination or can you only move units of the same type, ie all riflemen, but not cannons or calvary, with the J command? Was it like this on 1.17? I can't remember.

J command only moved the same type with 1.17. Now with 1.21 it only moves the active units of the same type. That change may have some advantages but its a supreme pain when you're trying to herd a large army back to barracks for upgrading.

Firaxis, how's about a wake all command in F3 or better yet a "move all (unit) back to barracks and upgrade" command.

	22-04-2002 04:08									#107
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quote: Originally posted by fluxcapacitor ...I didn't read this whole thread. I just wanted to post that the foreign advisor is still all f*cked up: It's still only showing the players' relationship w/ AI civs, not everyone's standing w/ everyone, AI or not. Annoying? You bet.

You have to select everyone. Click on yourself. You see your own lines. Click on Mao. You see his relationships. Shift-Click on all of the leaders. Now you see them all.

	22-04-2002 05:49									#108
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I have had the game crash a few times while negotiating with the AI in the Foreign Advisor.. It's usually the same - the mouse gets fairly unresponsive, then the sound gets corrupted. At that point it's possible to save and quit if you do it immediately, but if it's left alone for long enough a Windows dialogue pops up saying that the system is "dangerously low in resources" (probably GDI resources). It's evidently a resource leak of some kind.

This is an old bug, but it seems to be worse in this version.

	22-04-2002 08:35									#109
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Grrr mentioned it in post #2, but I did not see a solution. Do I have to go through the same nonsense I did when I got the game, and with 1.16? Or is there a way to use the workaround Firaxis tech support sent me last December and go from there?

	22-04-2002 09:16									#110
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I didn't read all 4 pages, but I found what I think is a bug. It happened twice, and I can't explain it. I was researching Theory of Gravity, but as I still had 10 turns, I decided to trade for it with England. As soon as I accepted Her offer, the Science Advisor pops up and says I have discovered Nationalism. Well, I am not complaining, but it seems like a freebie to me. This happened twice, same two advances, same set-up. In my next game, I will try it again.

	22-04-2002 09:21									#111
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quote: Originally posted by The Rook I didn't read all 4 pages, but I found what I think is a bug. It happened twice, and I can't explain it. I was researching Theory of Gravity, but as I still had 10 turns, I decided to trade for it with England. As soon as I accepted Her offer, the Science Advisor pops up and says I have discovered Nationalism. Well, I am not complaining, but it seems like a freebie to me. This happened twice, same two advances, same set-up. In my next game, I will try it again.

Are you by any chance playing a Scientific civ?

	22-04-2002 10:19									#112
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Yes, I had never played a scientific Civ before, and now I just read why I'm getting the freebies. So, it's not a bug, just my goof. I guess I didn't notice it in the earlier era, because I had the Great Library. Thanks for the heads-up.

	22-04-2002 13:00									#113
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I see Firaxis did NOT bother to solve this annoying flood of settlers with 1.21.

Settler/spearmen pairs continue to march right into my territory.
I tell them to leave, and then tell them again. They don't leave.

I them tell them to leave or declare war.

At that point one of two stupid things will happen: either they will magically teleport themselves to the nearest open tile on the other side of my empire, or, even a pacifistic civ WILL declare war.

It is utterly ASININE.

BTW, with 1.21, Firaxis took a slow game. . . AND MADE IT EVEN SLOWER!!

	22-04-2002 13:14									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Coracle I see Firaxis did NOT bother to solve this annoying flood of settlers with 1.21. Settler/spearmen pairs continue to march right into my territory. I tell them to leave, and then tell them again. They don't leave. I them tell them to leave or declare war. At that point one of two stupid things will happen: either they will magically teleport themselves to the nearest open tile on the other side of my empire, or, even a pacifistic civ WILL declare war. It is utterly ASININE.

Best solution: Fill the gaps in your empire.
Don't be afraid to overlap sometimes.

quote: BTW, with 1.21, Firaxis took a slow game. . . AND MADE IT EVEN SLOWER!!

Tip: turn off AUTOSAVE (since svaed games are now compressed)

	22-04-2002 13:55									#115
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Ohh the settler flood .. Im sitting on a large continent, with 6 other Civs, and to the south of me is a very very large area of tundra with very few deers .. and I had to abandon the game as all the other civs were constantly sending across settler + defenders .. ever single turn, I had to go through the motions of telling every single AI player to bog off, or declare war .. finally, they got sick of it, and declared war .. I thought, SOD IT .. im going for an Island map ..

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop the AI from constantly trying to move into territory that it has previously been sent away from ... its so so so so annoying, and wrecks any game on a large continent with many other players.

The whole notion of wanting to settle tundra and desert with no resources is rather silly ..

This is a Bug!!

	22-04-2002 15:45									#116
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wahwah, the AI is too good for me

	22-04-2002 16:38									#117
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OK, it´s the second time I´ve reinstalled Civ3. I´m at 690 BC and so far so good. Some things I noticed:

¤ Disband city I have used this feature a couple of times since the AI still is piss poor at chosing city cites...
(Edit: When I´m conquer AI cities that is)

¤ Governor STILL asks if I´d like to build aqueduct when I got like three turns left on a wonder. Minor bug, but still annoying

¤ Why can´t the AI separate the civs better? I´m playing archipelago. There´s approx. 20 islands of various sizes. 6 ( ) civs (including me) is located on the same frigging island!! And the AI don´t build triremes, so every friggin´civ keeps barging into my territory and wanders aimlessly around until it finds a patch of land on the fringes of my empire (not a big problem, since I´ll eat them in a hundred years or so anyway, but still STUPID!)

¤ A lot of people has complained that the game is even slower now, with the compressed .sav and everything. I´m not noticing any difference. I´m playing on a standard size map with 8 civs.

More reflections to come...

	22-04-2002 17:00									#118
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¤ Corruption less hampering than before. Wohoo!

	22-04-2002 17:14									#119
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I wish I was as good at Civ as you.


What was interesting though, was that all civs on that turn, declared war when I told them to get stuffed .. and up until that point, had removed there troops .. there must be a tolerence limit somewhere, which tells ALL ai's to call your bluff at the same time.

It has nothing to do with the state of affairs between nations, as the Egyptians were polite and id just got them to join with me against one of the other civs that had declared war.. yet still they declared war ..

Settlers going for tundra/desert is just daft .. unless it secures some resource or closes gaps in there borders.

	22-04-2002 18:46									#120
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quote: Originally posted by The Viceroy Ohh the settler flood .. Im sitting on a large continent, with 6 other Civs, and to the south of me is a very very large area of tundra with very few deers .. and I had to abandon the game as all the other civs were constantly sending across settler + defenders .. ever single turn, I had to go through the motions of telling every single AI player to bog off, or declare war .. finally, they got sick of it, and declared war .. I thought, SOD IT .. im going for an Island map .. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop the AI from constantly trying to move into territory that it has previously been sent away from ... its so so so so annoying, and wrecks any game on a large continent with many other players. The whole notion of wanting to settle tundra and desert with no resources is rather silly .. This is a Bug!!

nah, they are just being naughty