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So, what's it going to be for the Bear? (Time out:0 days after 04-06-2002, 18:57)
Russia will again be a superpower, comparable to US.
Russia will be great power, as it is now.
Russia will no longer be a great power - it'll just be moderately powerful, like Britain now.
Russia will be much more wealthier than now, comparable to US.
Russia will be wealthier than now.
Russia will be about as wealthy as it is now.
Russia will be poorer than now.
Russia will have taken back most or all of former Soviet republics.
Russia will have about the same areas than now.
Russia will be smaller than now, thanks to secessionists and like.
Russia will be democratic capitalist state, similar to US.
Russia will be a social democratic state, similar to Scandinavian states.
Russia will again be a communist state.
Russia will be a fascist state or equivalent authoritarian non-communist dictatorship.
Russia will still be led by Vladimir Putin.
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Urban Ranger is offline Urban Ranger
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Hogwash. India will best China in as little as 50 years.

Here's China...

http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/ipc/i...&out=s&ymax=300

Here's India...

http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/ipc/i...&out=s&ymax=300


The unrestrained population growth will be an enormous burden instead of an asset. There are also deep politcal (e.g. the caste system) and religious issues (e.g. Hinduism supports the caste system and the unchecked population growth) that need to be tackled.

Until these problems are solved, India will remain just a potential.

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Ya but so far when Russia sells these things to the arabs, they forget to show them how to use them, shoot most Iraqi tanks bought from Russia never had there controls transalated. Thats a good thing.lol.

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China isnt doing to great at the moment. Laying off tens of millions of workers in state industries. The Communist's seem to be having some trouble, as its estimated only 20% of the population supports them. They will fall, and soon. Then and only then can china truly progress.


India will most likely lose a few cities in the next 50 years

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Yeah, American avionics rule the skies, better radar and missle guidance systems mean the US jets kill their enemy before the enemy knows they're there. But if limited to visual range missle only, even the Iraqis would getting kills.


Long range missile strikes are only good against the slower moving bombers - that's what the Phoenix system designed for. Fighters are too nimble for that. Even the AWACS are just going to direct fightes to intercept incoming enemy fighters.

Another thing is AWACS will be neutralised as long range anti-radiation missiles are developed, rendering air-to-air fights to chaotic vision-based fights again.

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Ya but so far when Russia sells these things to the arabs, they forget to show them how to use them,...


No, we don't sell "Granit" and "Mosqit" to anyone. They are too good to sell them, they are for internal use only. Those missiles are classified.

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If Russia hasn't completely fallen to pieces it will be some 3rd world dictatorship. I find it interesting as to how Russia's supposed resurection keeps getting postponed. It's not gonna happen. There isn't enough money in the world to save Russia.

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"The unrestrained population growth will be an enormous burden instead of an asset."

They'll be just fine. If not, then they'll starve. Either way, India will be a powerhouse come about mid-century.

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India's human capital comes here and to Europe.

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And returns to India in good numbers too.

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The only big or great thing about brittain is.... or actually was their ego...

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
If Russia hasn't completely fallen to pieces it will be some 3rd world dictatorship. I find it interesting as to how Russia's supposed resurection keeps getting postponed. It's not gonna happen. There isn't enough money in the world to save Russia.


I guess in 1917 most of foreign politicans thought alike.
We'll recover, we always recover. And we don't need your money, we have everything we need. Just give us time.

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Hi Serb

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
If Russia hasn't completely fallen to pieces it will be some 3rd world dictatorship. I find it interesting as to how Russia's supposed resurection keeps getting postponed. It's not gonna happen. There isn't enough money in the world to save Russia.


Scary. Almost the death sentence. You are pretty tough on Russia, Che. Is it because she failed the Great Communist Experiment?

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....., and American Oil comanys are serouisly considering making large investments in Russian drilling.


Following the lead of thousands of American comic book store clerks who have invested heavily in drilling Russians.

Last edited by Sikander on 05-06-2002 at 16:05

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Hi Serb

Hi
Ya slegka pripozdnilsya, izvinyai. Opyat nas horonyat, zabodali blin uzhe.

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Hi
Ya slegka pripozdnilsya, izvinyai. Opyat nas horonyat, zabodali blin uzhe.

derzhites' rebyata. ya za vas boleyu.

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No, we don't sell "Granit" and "Mosqit" to anyone. They are too good to sell them, they are for internal use only. Those missiles are classified.


IIRC, Russia has been selling the "Moskit" ("Sunburn") anti-ship missiles to the PRC.

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By 2050, the Russians will be a great power. Not a super, but it's debatable if there will be ANY superpowers in 50 years.

Hmm. The question is, would Russia join an alliance with the EU or with the USA? On the one hand, they fought with one for 50 years. On the other, they haven't exactly had the best ties with Europe either, and China's going to move agressively towards Siberia.

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Originally posted by Serb Currently we have one little problem with them. It's about Kalingrad (former Kenigsberg), our enclave, which could be cut off from main Russia after acceptance of new members (Baltic states) in EU.
I'll hope we'll find compromise.


What problems cannot be solved with ferry lines, nonstop trains and direct flights?

Oh, and you should give Prussia to the UN

Ili vaabshche nam otdaite, nafig etot Kalinin.. ahem, Karaliauchius vam

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Hey you 6 idiots that said that Russia will take back most Soviet Republics, identify!

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I see Russia as a very important province of Great Poland...

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In a recent EU game, Lithuania annexed Muscowy, thus screwing all up...

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Oh, and you should give Prussia to the UN

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Hera lysogo.
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Hey you 6 idiots that said that Russia will take back most Soviet Republics, identify!

Are you scared?

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I see Russia as a very important province of Great Poland...

Good joke.

I'm almost started to miss your speeches about Great Poland.

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Imran: What are you talking about? France and the UK haven't been great powers since the 1950s. Germany and Japan haven't been great powers since WWII. All are now regional powers. The UK is closest to being a great power, but even the UK has only ventured out once by itself in the last 50 years.


Like shi, said, Britain is a Great Power, as is France, Germany and Japan. All MUST be considered Great Powers in the system. Simply because they are not project militarily into the world, does in no way diminish their Great Power status.

China is the prime example. Though it does not really stray outside its region, it's great military size and economy make it without a doubt a Great Power.

Britain, France, Germany, and Japan are economic powerhouses. Thus solidifying Great Power status. And yes, he is right as well that it is basically a unipolar system (which happens when there is one superpower) with the US being the hegemon. However, we are rapidly moving to a multipolar system with China and the EU gaining on the US position.

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Hey you 6 idiots that said that Russia will take back most Soviet Republics, identify!


what...

name one republic besides the baltics that will survive without russia for another 10 years. Belorus' is already reunifying. They are seeking support from Moscow and are eager to adopt russian currency. Ukraine is still acting like an ex-gf. She wants back in but she's throwing hissy fits. No matter how long they teach their kids ukraininan, they speak/act/are russian. Russia on the other hand is playing the role of the gentle bf. They steal Russia's oil/gas/power, and Russia lets them get away with it.

My hopes are that at least these three can form a new Union of Republics. Because really, we are pretty much all the same people. I don't care about all the 'stans though, except for Kazahstan. There's still the baikanur there and half the entire population esp. along the Russian border are Russian. But I don't see the Kazah gov't getting chummy with Russia.

The Georgans etc. arn't likely to come back either, but its more their loss than Russia's.


I'm from Kiev btw, if you think I'm some Russian elitist from St. Peter or Moscow. I just think that the country would be stronger this way. And so far nobody I've talked to from Ukraine or Belarus' mind if their capitol is Moscow instead of Kiev or Minsk.

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You’ve shouldn’t said that you are from Kiev. Most of those guys seriously believe that Ukrainians hate Russians because of “Ukrainian genocide”.
I’m agreed with you 100%.
No matter how long those republics cry about their ‘independence’, they depend of Russia and always will. Georgian people should elect other president. The policy of their current president is the policy of sick man. Their so-called economy based on Russia, they can’t survive without us. The confrontation with Russia is the dead end for Georgia.

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You guys should learn English before ranting on private sites.

 
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