07-06-2002 08:42									#151
	Suffering from ads?

Okay, we're in a so-called War on Terrorism, whidch essentially translates to "War on Dark People CLXIV." Basically people more or less realize that Terrorism isn't some shadowy thing with an organization that we can send James Bond and his Yankee equivalent to empty a can of whup ass on while screwing really hot chick. Terrorism is a method of waging war. The people who are using terrorism as a method of waging war are the Middle Easterners and South Asians. These are the people - like it or not, Imran, it's the truth - who we are fighting. It makes no sense to stretch out security to include people who are not likely threats. The people who should be checked are the ones who are most likely to cause us harm - that way we can hopefully do a decent job of interdicting the attacks.

	07-06-2002 08:49									#152
	Ned the Misinformed, part deux Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

I direct your attention to this quote from the first article:

quote: While none of the September 11 hijackers entered via Canada

I don't know whether I find it funnier that O'Reilly show is engaged in fraudulent reporting or that you trust them as a source.

Oh, and here is a list of all Sept. 11 hijackers and the means by which they entered the US. I defy you to find the word "Canada" or the name of a place in Canada on this page.

http://www.fairus.org/html/04178101.htm

I'll stop my ad hominem attacks when you pull your head out of your ass.

	07-06-2002 08:58									#153
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Maybe O'Reilly was refering to the other terrorists that have tried to enter the US from Canada?

	07-06-2002 09:00									#154
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

I know of one, and he was caught at the border.

i.e. "the system worked as it's supposed to"

	07-06-2002 09:04									#155
	Support Apolyton

quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I know of one, and he was caught at the border.

Only because he was stupid (Thank God!).

	07-06-2002 09:06									#156
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Oh, and Ned: here's the best proof of all:

When they caught that guy who was planning to blow up a building in LA at the Canada-US border, the newspapers here ran it as a front page story for a week, and there are still innumerable references to the incident every time there's a story about terrorism at home. There's never been a single mention of a Sept. 11 hijacker having Canadian ties. The best they could come up with was that a few money trails came through Canada, as was the case for every other Western country.

Mr. O'Reilly's not very impressive as a journalist, and his audience isn't very impressive in collective brainpower. I'm still astounded that he would say something this completely, factually, wrong, so I suspect that you're mistaken in your reporting of his words

	07-06-2002 09:06									#157
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Maybe O'Reilly is a buffoon pushing a right-wing agenda under the guise of his "No-Spin Zone?"

Hell, even Limbaugh doesn't have to pay radio stations to carry his show...

	07-06-2002 09:16									#158
	Got spare money?

"Maybe"?

	07-06-2002 11:39									#159
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Guy, you better watch those Canadians... Asher might sneak through .

With an American passport it's not too difficult, Imran.

	07-06-2002 11:40									#160
	Get a bigger avatar today!

I think we should stop recognizing dual citizenship with the US...

	07-06-2002 11:41									#161
	Put an end to popups!

If it's worth anything to you all of my stamps from my travels are in the Canadian passport.

The American one is only for emergencies. I value my life when overseas thank you.

	07-06-2002 11:43									#162
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Do you sew a little maple leaf on your backpack or an oil-well logo?

	07-06-2002 11:44									#163
	Inflate your Upload Space

According to my brother all the Americans get pissed when they see Canucks with those maple leaf logos because they're tired of seeing them get better treatment.

	07-06-2002 11:45									#164
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Neither.

My jacket (BoardDokter) has a reflective translucent maple leaf on the left arm though, which is pretty cool.

	07-06-2002 13:48									#165
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Dalgetti "why punish the planespotters? it may make other Brit planespotters think that there are actually decent aircraft in Greece."

But we didn't "punish" ALL brits, did we?

They have enough problems being labeled the gay men of europe as it is.



Besides, turkey is now violating our air space with "platoons" of 38 armed F-16s in once. and we had some gay englishmen who know nothing about all this and about defence telling us we are being "harsh" to their geeks? while our pilots are up there risking their lives for us?

F*ck them man. The whole thing is hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.


brits... From Lord Byron to... "planespotters". what a degradation.

	07-06-2002 16:35									#166
	Increase Your PM Length

quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Would it be better if we simply sharply reduced the number of Visas given to people originating in Muslim countries? Perhaps we could limit permission to enter the US from those countries to people who can prove that they have a bone fide business reason to enter the US. Since it takes two to do business they would have to supply confirmation form a source within the US.

hi ,

smart , ........but the guy's on hill never thought about it , ..

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 17:52									#167
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Would it be better if we simply sharply reduced the number of Visas given to people originating in Muslim countries? Perhaps we could limit permission to enter the US from those countries to people who can prove that they have a bone fide business reason to enter the US. Since it takes two to do business they would have to supply confirmation form a source within the US.

The same principle applies to student visa's which is one of the holes they're trying to plug. The problem is visitor visa's. Virtually anyone can enter the USA with a visitors visa then disappear. In order for there to be any control over who enters the US there has to be electronic surveillance of everyone (fingerprinting and/or face recognition) at all major entry points (you cant cover them all).

	07-06-2002 17:56									#168
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Why only hijacking planes? We all know that no Christian ever killed hundreds of people by detonating a truck-bomb in front of a buildi...

No christian slaughtered Jews some tens year ago ?

No jews settler slaughter muslims too ?

But for terrorism culture, it's entering more & more in the extremist muslim way of action. It's true.

Since it's a just logical side-effect of Western Imperialism on Muslim people. The poverty of many Arabs country allows extremist & violant groups to have a too important hearing inside Muslim community.

	07-06-2002 20:55									#170
	Support Apolyton

KN, I'll drop the issue of the 9/11 hijackers for the moment. Why don't you address the substance of my posts for a second. The nut of what I said is that tightening security at US airports makes no sense if terrorists can enter Canada as refugees with no papers as all, obtain Canadian papers and merely drive across the border.

	07-06-2002 21:06									#171
	Increase Your PM Length

quote: Originally posted by rmsharpe I don't care what anyone says, but I think that they should fingerprint and photograph every Saudi, Yemeni, etc. in the United States. How many Jews hijacked planes in the last 25 years? Zero. Christians? Zero. Buddhists? Zero. Muslims?...

Oh goody! Look who's back! The little trolly-troll from CivFanatics. You gonna stick around this time, Sparky? We're starting to run low on quasi-fascist trolls around here, so we have an abundance of positions available for you.

	07-06-2002 21:10									#172
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Thats right, we have too many quasi-communist trolls here.

	07-06-2002 21:32									#173
	Tired of ads?

quote: Chris 62, The equal protection clause applies to citizens, but does it applies to visiting aliens as a condition for entry? What if there is a valid reason for the unequal treatment and a compelling governmental need?

Well Ned, This goes to the very tenants of American society, that ALL people must be equal before the law.
I support the US and Israel, but that DOESN'T mean I will sit back and watch Muslim people treated as criminals and second class citizens.
One Manzanar in US history is still one to many.

quote: We haven't gone this far yet, but I can see a wholesale ban on visa's for aliens from selected countries being constitutional.

It will NEVER be constitutional, although it may someday be law.

Ashcroft needs to remember we are fighting terrorists, not Islam.

	07-06-2002 21:38									#174
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

The Consitution is, among other things, a set of limitations on the conduct of the government. The government is limited in its conduct regardless of with whomever it is dealing. The SCUSA has repeatedly held that the Constitution applies to foreign nationals residing within the US.

	07-06-2002 22:06									#175
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The Consitution is, among other things, a set of limitations on the conduct of the government. The government is limited in its conduct regardless of with whomever it is dealing. The SCUSA has repeatedly held that the Constitution applies to foreign nationals residing within the US.

Wrong again, some protections of the constitution apply only to citizens, some apply to residents (with some gray area between legal and illegal residents), some (a small amount) apply to all persons.

	08-06-2002 00:44									#176
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Aside from voting, what only applies to citizens? (Up 'till 1853, non-citizens were allowed to vote, BTW. Congress changed that.)

	08-06-2002 00:59									#177
	Support Apolyton

As far as I know its only voting (I'm not sure about social security).

	08-06-2002 01:29									#178
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Cris, Assume for the moment we are at war with France. Can't we legally cut off visa's from France? Can't we legally cut off visa's for French citizens no matter where they came from? How would this be discrimination against US citizens of French descent?

Be that as it may, we are talking about "temorary" non-resident aliens in the United States. Surely we can provide laws that require the aliens to keep the US Govt. informed of their whereabouts. I believe that law already exists. I believe the US Govt. has the further right to track the current location and status of such "temporary" non resident aliens.

But now the question gets down to fingerprints. We want to fingerprint only selected non resident aliens. Can we do this lawfully?

I say yes - because there is a compelling need to do so.

This does not, however, translate into discrimination in any manner shape or form with respect to any resident aliens or citizens. The discrimination is limited to non resident aliens, and is based on a compelling Govt. need.

	08-06-2002 01:30									#179
	Get a bigger avatar today!

KH, I am still await a response to the substance of my post on the Canadian refugee issue.

	08-06-2002 01:43									#180
	Got spare money?

Social security isn't a Constitutional right, though it's certainly a human right.