06-06-2002 16:16									#61
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[if I were dictator]

I would implant microchips into people for identification and tracking purposes. Fingerprinting seems like an easy acceptable form when compared to what I'd do.

[/if I were dictator]

	06-06-2002 17:15									#62
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When I journey to USA, I meet some drastic controls :
- I had to answer question about my religion my politics belief, my eventual illness, my sexual orientation , my motivation ("Do you project to kill the President", "Are you a Terrorist ?").

They searched in mu baggages if I had any food, any cheese or any pets.

And they checked my Passport. They didn't notice that therewas an error about my sex on my password (my passport is a true passport but the guy at the office made a mistake when editing it).

My sex was femal on my passport . And at this time it was obvious that I was male. By they didn't notice it.

I journeyed in USA with a wrong passport without problems.

USA don't need more controls, but clever controls.

	06-06-2002 20:54									#63
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Well put, Viceroy.

Sava, you worry me.

Zobo, yeah, the INS needed a kick in the ass and they got it.

-Arrian

	06-06-2002 22:04									#64
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"Middle Eastern visitors being treated badly?"

Too bad! As usual, a few rotten apples ruin the whole barrel. Let's not allow one tainted barrel destroy a whole crop (i.e., time to start sifting).

	06-06-2002 22:05									#65
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I visited US last year, on the plane we were handed a visa waiver on the plane shortly before landing.
Here is the questions we had to answer:

"Do any of the following apply to you? (Answer Yes or No)

A: Do you have a communicable disease; physical or mental disorder; or are you a drug abuser or addict?

B: Have you ever been arrested or convicted for an offense or crime involving moral turpitude or a violation related to a controlled substance; or been arrested or convicted for two or more offenses for which the aggregate sentence to confinement was five years or more; or been a controlled substance trafficker; or are you seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activities?

C: Have you ever been or are you now involved in espionage or sabotage; or in terrorist activities; or genocide; or between 1933 and 1945 were you involved, in any way, in persecutions associated with Nazi Germany or its allies?

D: Are you seeking to work in the US; or been previously removed from the United States; or procured or attempted to procure a visa or entry into the US by fraud or misrepresentation?

E: Have you ever detained, retained or withheld custody of a child from a US citizen granted custody of the child?

F: Have you ever been denied a US visa or entry into the US or had a US visa cancelled? If yes, when? _______ where? _______

G: Have you ever asserted immunity from prosecution?

IMPORTANT: If you answered "Yes" to any of the above, please contact the American Embassy BEFORE you travel to the US since you may be refused admission into the United States."

Some of the questions (especially C) are just hilarious! I assume there is some kind of legal or insurance issues behind these questions, right? I mean, they can't possibly expect people to answer "Yes, I am involved in genocide"

	06-06-2002 22:25									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander It's about time the Republicans started paying more attention to environmental issues, but is this complete focus on wasps really the answer? Unless they can be shown to be a belleweather species I suspect that Ashcroft could do more if he expanded his protections to all flying insects, or even insects at large.

Yes, africanized bees are being stigmatized by the popular press as "killers". This has to stop. Ashcroft must protect the rights of africanized bees.

	06-06-2002 22:28									#67
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Combat Ingrid, Yes i had to do that too when i visited US. It also had a question something about terrorists.. like 'are you a terrorist' or something like that. I found it funny, but i didn't laugh because i was afraid to be arrested for laughing for those questions . I don't know the purpose of them.. maybe if they catch you doing something illegal, they can also sue you for lying in that too.

	06-06-2002 22:38									#68
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"They didn't notice that therewas an error about my sex on my password (my passport is a true passport but the guy at the office made a mistake when editing it"

Yeah, right.

"maybe if they catch you doing something illegal, they can also sue you for lying in that too."

Yep. It's mainly a technicality arranged before hand in order for them to more easily deport you or prosecute you, if they want.

	06-06-2002 22:40									#69
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quote: Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior In fact lot of EU countries are voting for more drastitic immigration policies. But in France, I don't thing that you have to be fingerprinted to have a french visa.

hi ,

foreign military personel has it done for years , .....

have a nice day

	06-06-2002 22:55									#70
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quote: Originally posted by DanS "maybe if they catch you doing something illegal, they can also sue you for lying in that too." Yep. It's mainly a technicality arranged before hand in order for them to more easily deport you or prosecute you, if they want.

Sounds reasonable. Clever little rascals

	07-06-2002 00:23									#71
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Well with a La Femme Nikita avatar like yours, who's to blame them for asking C?

"Yes for sabotage? OK, go to line #3. Yes for terrorism? OK, that's line #7. Yes for moral terpitude? I think you need to come into my office."

	07-06-2002 00:31									#72
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Well with a La Femme Nikita avatar like yours, who's to blame them for asking C? "Yes for sabotage? OK, go to line #3. Yes for terrorism? OK, that's line #7. Yes for moral terpitude? I think you need to come into my office."

hi ,

why , you a psy-man , ......

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 00:47									#73
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , foreign military personel has it done for years , ..... have a nice day

minisayon?

	07-06-2002 01:10									#74
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Many of you miss the essential point.

Laws must be applied equally to all, or they mean nothing.

ALL foriegn nationals should be fingerprinted, or none at all.

	07-06-2002 01:14									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Eli minisayon?

hi ,

sin , feh , heh , ...........

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 01:18									#76
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Yeah, I do think that the fingerprinting ought to be applied to everyone (just imagine all the government jobs that's gonna create, yikes!). But I do think concentrating the investigative resources of the FBI counterterrorism unit on young male Saudis/Iraqis/Iranians/Syrians/etc. more than on other groupings of people makes sense. Otherwise referred to as "profiling."

In other words, fingerprint them all, but the ones you are going to concentrate on will be the ones who belong to the age/gender/nationality group that is most likely to travel to the US in order to blow things up. That means that I would pay a little bit more attention to a 22 year old man born in Saudi Arabia who is entering the US via Pakistan. Please note that the argument that terrorists are also homegrown (Oaklahoma bombing) doesn't pertain to this issue, as we are talking about foreigners entering the country.

-Arrian

	07-06-2002 01:18									#77
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , sin , feh , heh , ........... have a nice day

I wont even try to understand this.

	07-06-2002 01:20									#78
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Ottok. Yes?

	07-06-2002 01:21									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Eli I wont even try to understand this.

hi ,

try to think in hebrew , .......;

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 01:25									#80
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Ottok. Yes?

hi ,

WHERE , .......

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	07-06-2002 01:29									#81
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quote: We should keep track of every alien that is in our borders be they an Arab from Yemen or a Caucasian from the U.K.

That's fine... but making only one group do this is wrong.

I agree with Chris... if you are going to do it, do it for all. Don't just highlight one group, making them criminals before they've even done anything!

	07-06-2002 01:33									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: We should keep track of every alien that is in our borders be they an Arab from Yemen or a Caucasian from the U.K. That's fine... but making only one group do this is wrong. I agree with Chris... if you are going to do it, do it for all. Don't just highlight one group, making them criminals before they've even done anything!

hi ,

take a DNA or RNA sample also , ....

sooner or later they shall do something anyhow , anyway , .....

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 01:35									#83
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Well with a La Femme Nikita avatar like yours, who's to blame them for asking C? "Yes for sabotage? OK, go to line #3. Yes for terrorism? OK, that's line #7. Yes for moral terpitude? I think you need to come into my office."

Naughty naughty
Well, usually I don't bring my avatar along when I travel...

To stay on topic, yes I think it makes sense to focus on this group but I think it should be handled in a less piss-off-all-the-muslims way. Who knows, maybe this will even provoke someone to do something radical...

	07-06-2002 01:44									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid Naughty naughty Well, usually I don't bring my avatar along when I travel... To stay on topic, yes I think it makes sense to focus on this group but I think it should be handled in a less piss-off-all-the-muslims way. Who knows, maybe this will even provoke someone to do something radical...

hi ,

try to fight the US government , ........

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 01:54									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 Many of you miss the essential point. Laws must be applied equally to all, or they mean nothing. ALL foriegn nationals should be fingerprinted, or none at all.

I was fingerprinted as part of the process of becoming a permanent US resident, and I dont have a problem with it. What they need to do now is take fingerprints of all foreigners coming into the US whether they are here on a student visa, tourist visa or whatever!

	07-06-2002 01:58									#86
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , try to think in hebrew , .......; have a nice day

Ok, but what's the connection to my question?

	07-06-2002 02:00									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Ok, but what's the connection to my question?

hi ,

think , ...... imagine the smilie is the idea (solution answer) coming to you , ........

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 02:00									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia I was fingerprinted as part of the process of becoming a permanent US resident, and I dont have a problem with it. What they need to do now is take fingerprints of all foreigners coming into the US whether they are here on a student visa, tourist visa or whatever!

Congrats. You've just crashed the economies of Detroit, Buffalo, and every other border city and surrounding area.


What exactly is fingerprinting foreigners as they come into the US supposed to accomplish, anyway?

	07-06-2002 02:02									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia I was fingerprinted as part of the process of becoming a permanent US resident, and I dont have a problem with it. What they need to do now is take fingerprints of all foreigners coming into the US whether they are here on a student visa, tourist visa or whatever!

hi ,

and in the end it solves next to nothing , ......

a "good" criminal has found the invention of gloves very , very practical , ..............

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 02:04									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Congrats. You've just crashed the economies of Detroit, Buffalo, and every other border city and surrounding area.

Not that I agree with Cali, but why would that be so?

quote: What exactly is fingerprinting foreigners as they come into the US supposed to accomplish, anyway?

IIRC, its a way to establish the identity of that person.