28-06-2002 08:49									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Sava That's the whole thing... the idea of salvation is false. What if one is happy on Earth? Then one wouldn't need saving. And what about the people who are products of their environments? They make poor decisions because they don't know any better. If ignorance is a ticket to hell, all of Christianity (Islam, Judaism, etc, etc) is doomed!

I at least know people who live in misery, enslaved to money, but they think that they are happy

I want to set them free (through communism), because I know that they will be happier without being enslaved

ignorance is not an excuse (that is true)

but that is not the point

the point is that we have all sinned and fallen short

and God will be just in his decisions about us

God knows the heart

Jon Miller

	28-06-2002 08:49									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Sava. Nobody can prove there is a God... and nobody can prove there isn't a God. So it's just a matter of opinion, feelings, or faith. So a good christian or any religious person could call you an ignorant fool for not believeing It's all a matter of perspective

Good point, Ming!

	28-06-2002 08:50									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 Our bodies will, but our spirts won't. They'll end up in either heaven or hell.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, is that before or after the UFO comes to pick us up?

	28-06-2002 08:50									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Sava. Nobody can prove there is a God... and nobody can prove there isn't a God. So it's just a matter of opinion, feelings, or faith. So a good christian or any religious person could call you an ignorant fool for not believeing It's all a matter of perspective

I'm not saying there is or isn't a God, Ming, I'm saying their interpretation of what he/she/it is and wants of us is wrong because they haven't talked to him. And if he wanted to worry about that stuff, HE'D TELL US HIMSELF!

	28-06-2002 08:51									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Sava EXACTLY.... JESUS H CHRIST... THE MOST INTELLEGENT THING EVER!!! (I'm not being sarcastic) Everyone dies. Belief in a certain religion doesn't guarantee you a better eternity than the poor bloke who believed in the tooth fairy.

that is right

that is what we have been saying

Jon Miller

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E credo l'uom gioco d'iniqua sorte
dal germe della culla
al verme dell'avel.
Vien dopo tanta irrision la Morte.
E poi? E poi? La Morte è' il Nulla.
È vecchia fola il Ciel! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

	28-06-2002 08:52									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller God knows the heart

THAT IS SO TRUE!!! God judges the heart.

	28-06-2002 08:52									#68
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Asher, it's the Banshee that comes to claim our souls, duh.

	28-06-2002 08:52									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 THAT IS SO TRUE!!! God judges the heart.

You've met Her? (God is a woman, btw, always remember that )

	28-06-2002 08:53									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Sava HE'D TELL US HIMSELF!

Maybe part of the "trial of life" is to figure out what he wants

While I believe in some kind of "life" after death (and no, the idea of the pearly gates is just plain silly)... I'm in no rush to find out if I'm right or not. Because only death can answer that question

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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 Our bodies will, but our spirts won't. They'll end up in either heaven or hell.

I actually disagree with this.

Jon Miller

	28-06-2002 08:53									#72
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Mark Twain, smart man.

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quote: Originally posted by Ming Sava. Nobody can prove there is a God... and nobody can prove there isn't a God. So it's just a matter of opinion, feelings, or faith. So a good christian or any religious person could call you an ignorant fool for not believeing It's all a matter of perspective

Yes, but we can prove some religions wrong, including many forms of Christianity.

	28-06-2002 08:54									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, is that before or after the UFO comes to pick us up?

Not funny.

	28-06-2002 08:54									#75
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We have had a good Christianity thread for a long time.

At least CivNation isn't arround.

Jon Miller

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quote: Originally posted by Ming Maybe part of the "trial of life" is to figure out what he wants While I believe in some kind of "life" after death (and no, the idea of the pearly gates is just plain silly)... I'm in no rush to find out if I'm right or not. Because only death can answer that question

Ming, I don't disagree with anything you are saying. In fact, your statements are in agreement with what I'm saying.

	28-06-2002 08:55									#77
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I guess my point is, nobody knows what God wants or what he judges.

For all we know God is a homosexual flamer that admits you to heaven on the basis of d1ck size.

Everything we're told comes down to the word of someone thousands of years ago. Just like the heaven's gate people relied on the word of their leaders...

	28-06-2002 08:55									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Yes, but we can prove some religions wrong, including many forms of Christianity.

Actually I think it is impossible to do so.

You can proof that they are not scientifically likely, but not wrong.

Jon Miller

	28-06-2002 08:55									#79
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I thought it was pretty funny. There's as much reason to believe in UFOs as there is to believe in the Biblical image of God.

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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 Not funny.

I laughed...

I'd sooner believe the religion that says a pink unicorn lives behind the moon before Christianity.

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quote: Originally posted by Sava Ming, I don't disagree with anything you are saying. In fact, your statements are in agreement with what I'm saying.

But the difference is, you are calling people who believe in religion many different names and insults.

I'm not

People will believe what they want to. I say, let them.
That doesn't make them stupid or ignorant.

	28-06-2002 08:56									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You've met Her? (God is a woman, btw, always remember that )

Not funny either.

The Bible specifically refers to God as a He.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher I guess my point is, nobody knows what God wants or what he judges. For all we know God is a homosexual flamer that admits you to heaven on the basis of d1ck size. Everything we're told comes down to the word of someone thousands of years ago. Just like the heaven's gate people relied on the word of their leaders...

I take in different religions, and judge based upon my intellegence and expereince which one I want to beleive in.

I am sorry, but I do not beleive in Asherism (but feel free to temm me more).

Jon Miller

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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 Not funny either. The Bible specifically refers to God as a He.

The Bible was obviously written by the oppresive male, then.

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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 Not funny either. The Bible specifically refers to God as a He.

I don't see why God would have a sex.

The Bible refers to God as a he because that was the metaphors and similes which were being used to reveal God to us and the people of the time (which were patriachal).

Jon Miller

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I only insult as a defensive mechanism because I believe that my freedoms are in jeopardy because of these people. You're right, people can believe whatever they want. But, that includes my belief that they are stupid.

And plus, most people know better than to not listen to me anyways.

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quote: Originally posted by Sava I laughed... I'd sooner believe the religion that says a pink unicorn lives behind the moon before Christianity.

Care to explain why??

So far you have only talked about problems with things which are not part of Christianity at all (or at least not as I practise it).

Jon Mliler

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller Actually I think it is impossible to do so. You can proof that they are not scientifically likely, but not wrong. Jon Miller

It is quite easy actually.

For example, some religions say love is required in some way. What about those who are unable to love for reasons that they have no control over? They just can't be considered human then. This opens up many flaws.

	28-06-2002 09:00									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 Not funny either. The Bible specifically refers to God as a He.

Asher is right... oppresive male, etc...

God is devoid of gender. Gender and sexuality is biological. God is not biological.

And plus, it's just habit to refer to God as he. "It" doesn't sound right, and I won't say "God" all the time because I believe in pronouns.

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller I don't see why God would have a sex. The Bible refers to God as a he because that was the metaphors and similes which were being used to reveal God to us and the people of the time (which were patriachal).

The Bible still refers to God as a He, so to me He is a He.