29-06-2002 11:10									#61
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Early christian art depicts the saved peering over the walls of heaven to mock the damned...

	29-06-2002 11:12									#62
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Cut it any way you want, but I don't think we should be teaching that God doesn't exist in school either[/quote]

I think they should avoid the subject at all costs. or at least stop indoctrinating children into evolution.

	29-06-2002 11:14									#63
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quote: Originally posted by SKILORD I think they should avoid the subject at all costs. or at least stop indoctrinating children into evolution.

When all signs in the world, and most people in the educated world, point to something, why should we not teach it?

Because an old book says otherwise?

	29-06-2002 11:18									#64
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous No, Athiests don't go door-to-door telling you that there is no God. Rather, they will walk up to your face, say your religion is ****, and call you and idiot for believing in something you can't see.

Hm, I smell a Hasty Generalisation here, if not a downright Red Herring.

quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Athiests believe that they are the smart ones because they follow science.

Are you saying that Christians don't follow science at all?

quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous I don't say they're wrong, and I don't say I'm right (and I am a strong believer in Evolution...as God's updating...Earth v5.0.)

Okay, what is your point?

quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Lets see, how many times in this one thread have religious people been bashed.

None. Re-read your quotes again. They are all directed against an institutionalised belief, not against people.

quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Seems to me that Athiests are JUST as pushy about their beliefs as Christians are.

This is just a reaction to Christian proselytisers.

At the very least, we don't tell people that they are to be blamed for things that they didn't do. We don't tell people that they are going to suffer eternally.

	29-06-2002 11:18									#65
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quote: Originally posted by SKILORD I think they should avoid the subject at all costs. or at least stop indoctrinating children into evolution.

And if somebody else comes up with a religion that says oh, I don't know, that Pi is exactly 3, we should avoid talking about Pi in school, right?

Come on. You have to try harder than this. Evolutionary biology is backed by a century of scientific evidence. If you think it's wrong, come up with some scientific evidence of your own and publish it in a respected peer-reviewed journal. Until then, you have no case.

	29-06-2002 11:19									#66
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quote: Originally posted by SKILORD I think they should avoid the subject at all costs. or at least stop indoctrinating children into evolution.

Evolution is both a theory and a fact. What's your problem?

	29-06-2002 11:21									#67
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Hey that wasn't nice Skilord, as Christians we should be ministering a campaign of love to non-christians, not one of fear.

what'd i do?

Asher, in this nation we have freedom of religion, if the christian parents of children cannot indoctrinate their children into their religion because the STATE who has vowed to stay away from the issue is telling them that everything their prents tell them are lies, that the world actually came together by chance and that life came from an assortment of chemicals and eventually evolved to humanity. well.... that violates freedom of religion doesn't it?

	29-06-2002 11:21									#68
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"indoctrinating children into evolution"

I love it.

Do we also indoctrinate children into believing that tool of the Devil, the theory of Universal Gravitation?

	29-06-2002 11:22									#69
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quote: Asher, in this nation we have freedom of religion, if the christian parents of children cannot indoctrinate their children into their religion because the STATE who has vowed to stay away from the issue is telling them that everything their prents tell them are lies, that the world actually came together by chance and that life came from an assortment of chemicals and eventually evolved to humanity. well.... that violates freedom of religion doesn't it?

No, unless you can explain to me why we shouldn't avoid teaching children that Pi is irrational.

	29-06-2002 11:23									#70
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quote: Asher, in this nation we have freedom of religion, if the christian parents of children cannot indoctrinate their children into their religion because the STATE who has vowed to stay away from the issue is telling them that everything their prents tell them are lies, that the world actually came together by chance and that life came from an assortment of chemicals and eventually evolved to humanity. well.... that violates freedom of religion doesn't it?

Evolution isn't religion.
If it conflicts with your religion I'd strongly recommend you take a good, long look at just how valid that religion is.

	29-06-2002 11:25									#71
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In truth, there is lots and lots of evidence of the existence of God just as there is in Evolution. I just think that the problem is people just don't realize the evidence there is of God's existence. They don't see it, they don't understand it, and most don't even have the will to look for it. So it all comes down to, they just don't get it.

	29-06-2002 11:25									#72
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What evidence is there of the existence of God?

If there was evidence, it wouldn't be called faith.

Your "evidence" is "evidence" to you since you've obviously been brainwashed (for lack of a better word).

	29-06-2002 11:26									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Evolution isn't religion. If it conflicts with your religion I'd strongly recommend you take a good, long look at just how valid that religion is.

I can't see where validity of Religions is discussed anywhere in the constitution, where we are guarunteed freedom of religion.

Pi is a number, if it's inexactness bothers you look at it as how many radii make a circumfrence.

	29-06-2002 11:27									#74
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quote: In truth, there is lots and lots of evidence of the existence of God just as there is in Evolution. I just think that the problem is people just don't realize the evidence there is of God's existence. They don't see it, they don't understand it, and most don't even have the will to look for it. So it all comes down to, they just don't get it

Scientific evidence? Let's define our terms. What is God?

	29-06-2002 11:28									#75
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quote: Originally posted by SKILORD I can't see where validity of Religions is discussed anywhere in the constitution, where we are guarunteed freedom of religion. Pi is a number, if it's inexactness bothers you look at it as how many radii make a circumfrence.

There are major religions whose holy texts state that Pi is exactly 3. Teaching that it isn't violates their religious freedom, right?

	29-06-2002 11:28									#76
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quote: Originally posted by SKILORD I can't see where validity of Religions is discussed anywhere in the constitution, where we are guarunteed freedom of religion.

You're not being denied your religion.

If you don't like it, you can withdraw from the public school. Overwhelming evidence states it's true. If your religion disagrees, its only a matter of time before some arbitrary man high up in the religion changes it for you.

I don't want kids of my nation learning backwards. What you get is freaks like Stockwell Day once you preach creationism.

	29-06-2002 11:30									#77
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse There are major religions whose holy texts state that Pi is exactly 3. Teaching that it isn't violates their religious freedom, right?

find me a quote from those books.

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I give you one guess which book it says that in, sweetheart.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher You're not being denied your religion. If you don't like it, you can withdraw from the public school. Overwhelming evidence states it's true. If your religion disagrees, its only a matter of time before some arbitrary man high up in the religion changes it for you. I don't want kids of my nation learning backwards. What you get is freaks like Stockwell Day once you preach creationism.

You are though being denied an unbiased veiw of religion. When we preach Evolution we get freaks like...... never mind.

	29-06-2002 11:32									#80
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1 Kings 7:23

quote: And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about

	29-06-2002 11:32									#81
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quote: 1 Kings 7:23 He [Solomon] made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim [diameter = 10] and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it. [circumference = 30] Since circumference = PI x diameter as any elementary geometry book will tell you, but the Bible "seemingly" tells us that PI = 3. Since "this is obviously false, therefore the Bible cannot be from God..." is how some people like to reason.

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quote: You are though being denied an unbiased veiw of religion. When we preach Evolution we get freaks like...... never mind

How old are you, honeypie?

	29-06-2002 11:35									#83
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse 1 Kings 7:23 He [Solomon] made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim [diameter = 10] and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it. [circumference = 30] Since circumference = PI x diameter as any elementary geometry book will tell you, but the Bible "seemingly" tells us that PI = 3. Since "this is obviously false, therefore the Bible cannot be from God..." is how some people like to reason.

God didn't make those measurements.

	29-06-2002 11:36									#84
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So what you're saying is the bible does not contain the wisdom and beliefs of God, but other people unrelated to God then?

	29-06-2002 11:36									#85
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse How old are you, honeypie?

why should it mattter?

	29-06-2002 11:37									#86
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October 20, 1986 is his birthday, KH.

	29-06-2002 11:38									#87
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Not according to you. However, many people in your country's history have interpreted this (it was their religious belief) as meaning that Pi = 3. As a matter of fact, several Midwestern states legislated the value of Pi as three around the turn of the century.

Now, back to the question. There is a certain proportion of the population of the US that holds the religious belief that Pi = 3. Does this mean that we have to avoid mentioning Pi in public classrooms?

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse How old are you, honeypie?

Hey KH what with the southern belle talk?

	29-06-2002 11:39									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Asher What evidence is there of the existence of God? If there was evidence, it wouldn't be called faith.

Like you would really know. You obviously never had the will to look for it.

quote: Your "evidence" is "evidence" to you since you've obviously been brainwashed (for lack of a better word).

Brainwashed? And how many times is that that you have insulted me?. . . I can't recall me ever insulting you, so please don't do it me. Thank you. I'm glad we have an agreement. Be .

	29-06-2002 11:40									#90
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As to what it matters, it might explain the juvenile nature of your thinking process. I was envisioning you as around 12, though. By 16 most people are able to see the obvious results of applying their own logic to those with different beliefs, and have thus started on their road to discovering the basis of a fair moral system.