09-07-2002 23:20									#31
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All police are not terrorists, of course. But the officers who beat up this kid are terrorists, the officers that assaulted Abner Luima are terrorists, the officers that killed Amadou Diallo are terrorists, the officers that killed Patrick Dorismond are terrorists, the officers that killed Johnny Gamich are terrorists and the hundreds of other officers that we don't hear about that are needlessly abusive every day are terrorists.

	09-07-2002 23:29									#32
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Because someone has a badge on them and they kill someone they are a terrorist? What about the thousands of murderers that don't wear a badge. What are they?

Terrorist this terrorist that. Its a term thats beginning to be taken out of context more and more each day.

	09-07-2002 23:39									#33
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Why are they terrorists, Drake? Because they terrorize the communities they police.

	09-07-2002 23:46									#34
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So it's OK to kill them.

Is that is what is being said?

Police are terrorists and must be killed.

I looked at the CNN article, in broad daylight, in front of a large crowd, some here believed a group of cops layed into this kid just because he's black.

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I can let you have it cheap.

There has to be more to this besides the usual "the cops are racist".

	09-07-2002 23:47									#35
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No more than the gangs and drug dealers who kill people to maintain their power. I guarantee they do 1000X more damage to a community than a crooked cop.

Instead of the black community getting up in arms about a few racist honkey policemen, maybe they should get up in arms about the people that are killing more and more of them every day.

	09-07-2002 23:47									#36
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Ya damn police.

	09-07-2002 23:49									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 So it's OK to kill them. Is that is what is being said?

I'm not saying that at all.

	09-07-2002 23:50									#38
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How are police terrorists? What political aim are they trying to get out of 'acts of terror'?

	09-07-2002 23:53									#39
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I'm not saying that at all.

As you know Che, I'm against police brutality, however, I'm also not into jumping to conclusions.

Was any of the people who posted here witness to this?
The video is incomplete the article says.

If this is a violent race attack, why didn't the crowd members take some kind of action?

Are we to believe a large crowd said and did nothing?

I'll wait till more facts are in before I go tossing out accusations.

	10-07-2002 00:12									#40
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quote: Originally posted by drake Instead of the black community getting up in arms about a few racist honkey policemen, maybe they should get up in arms about the people that are killing more and more of them every day.

Many african-americans take action against criminal activity every day. Nevertheless, it is more outrageous for a police officer to murder than a private citizen . Crime happens, but when the crimes are being committed by those who have sworn to "serve and protect" this is a different problem requiring special attention.

	10-07-2002 00:16									#41
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Murder?

How many Blacks have LA cops killed?

Let's see some facts and less historics, if you please.

	10-07-2002 00:17									#42
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What are you people talking about? I haven't kept up with the news lately.

	10-07-2002 00:19									#43
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc What are you people talking about? I haven't kept up with the news lately.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/07/08/police.video/index.html

	10-07-2002 00:22									#44
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quote: Murder? How many Blacks have LA cops killed? Let's see some facts and less historics, if you please

Murder may a bit far-fetched. But LA cops have a history of organized race profiling and persecution through secret initiatives like Rampart and NNUT project (No Ni**ers UpTown). The culture of secrecy does lend itself to cover-ups of corruption and violence, though in no way would I consider cops "terrorists"

Dave

	10-07-2002 00:25									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 As you know Che, I'm against police brutality, however, I'm also not into jumping to conclusions. Was any of the people who posted here witness to this? The video is incomplete the article says.

Not to this specific attack, no. I have personally witnessed the police on three occassions go beyond their duty in harrassing Black people. Hell, I knew one guy who was hassled by the police simply because he was Black. he hadn't done a damn thing, and yet the police started giving him **** because he vaguely fit the profile of a serial rapist in the area (vaguely in that they were both Black. My friend was shorter and heavier than the person witnesses descrbed).

quote: If this is a violent race attack, why didn't the crowd members take some kind of action?

Police are still police, even if they are doing something wrong. If I saw cops robbing a building, I wouldn't do anything to stop them, though I might try and get some info to identify them alter. Cops have guns and billy clubs and know how to use them. They are also figures of authority, despite how people may feel about them.

quote: Are we to believe a large crowd said and did nothing?

Did nothing, yes. Said nothing, maybe. Cops scare me. I don't ever say s**t to them or talk back. In a situation where a cop has already demonstrated his willingness to use violence, I'd be even more quiet. I believe in mass action, not individual adventurism.

Even though this was a situation with a crowd, in a similar if I said something, it could easily get out of control, with someone in the crowd getting seriously hurt or the police getting seriously hurt. Hell, it could spark into a riot. Getting people hurt isn't what I'm about. Organization and planning and control are the key.

	10-07-2002 00:29									#46
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I don't doubt bias Che, if you recall, I spoke of being part of such an incident two years ago in a thread once.

When I say the crowd said nothing, I meant after the fact, to either reporters or others.

In this kind of case, I want facts, not hysterical air pokers who demand reform yelling for the heads of all police.

We need to know more then is currently availible to form an informed opinion.

	10-07-2002 00:33									#47
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Two questions:

1. When will the name "Rodney King" stop surfacing every time we hear "police brutality"?

2. When will people realize that an isolated incident is not necessarily representative of what goes on in the police department?

	10-07-2002 00:36									#48
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When will people stop thinking that because these incidents only get on tape every few years that it doesn't occur much more frequently?

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	10-07-2002 02:03									#50
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Though I have a general respect for police officers and I feel that most, if not nearly all, are truly good men and women who take pride in their work and do their work good and honourably... There is a small minority of officers who do not have the same sort of dedication to blind justice or are over-zealous for whatever reason and they ruin it for the entire police force. Now one could say that these incidents are a rarity and are probably lone racist cops or perhaps an officer whose partner was shot by a black criminal or some **** like that... but the fact is that these incidents are not that rare. They are not a constant occurance as most police officers are honourable, but these actions occur far more than they should. Hell, one time is too much.

Rioting, however, will not accomplish anything. Political appeals will probably do little. Hampering police powers will only result in problems. Only the continual and eventual destruction of racism from the grass roots and a greater respect for police so that the average policeman realizes that he has a duty to all citizens to protect but also be just... only this will end brutality. Blaming all police will not stop brutality. Furthermore, the key is justice. Many cops become over-zealous and are frustrated with the revolving door of the legal system at times and want to take out criminals because they don't judges will. We need to address these problems as well.


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	10-07-2002 02:42									#51
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Albert, .

	10-07-2002 02:45									#52
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I think the police need more respect for us.

	10-07-2002 03:03									#53
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Chegitz:

you're too synnical I think the word is... I mean sure it would be great to just go all out and force all cops to be just, but first off... most cops dont cause these incidents. Don't blame the honest, just cops who truly do serve and protect. Secondly, blotting out the problem will not solve it. There are reasons why these a bit too many but still a minority of police do what they do. We need to solve the core reasons which vary from outright racism to a good-intentioned but misdirected over-zeal.

	10-07-2002 03:08									#54
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and the reason why I said we need to respect cops more is because a lot of cops these days don't feel like they are doing anything. They get frustrated with the legal system and they hear about brutality and all that and people who are anti-police and they no longer feel like their job is honourable. So they just say **** it do whatever. If we want a truly good police force, we will need the police officers to take more pride in their job, and that won't be acheived until we respect them.


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	10-07-2002 05:02									#55
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quote: Originally posted by August Borms Maybe it was a communist cop. You do know the communist polices track record for beating and harassing students, Kamrat X?

Communist Cops? In the states? Also I have no idea what you´re talking about.

	10-07-2002 05:05									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Asher WHY IS IT EVERY TIME A WHITE MAN COMMITS A CRIME AGAINST A BLACK MAN IT IS RACIST, BUT NOT VICE VERSA? IT DRIVES ME MAD! There are police brutality cases against whites too, at least here. Perhaps they're racist as well.

Show me a country in Africa where the white man is harassed by the black police, then we can talk.

	10-07-2002 05:08									#57
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Zimbabwe?

	10-07-2002 05:12									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Zimbabwe?

If you call being forced to give up property you stole harassment then I guess the whites of Zimbabwe are being harassed.

	10-07-2002 05:15									#59
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If the zimbawean police act like LAPD it´s wrong and racist. Noone should be harassed based on skin colour.

Are you happy now Asher?

	10-07-2002 05:18									#60
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I'm happy, I don't know about Asher though .