23-07-2002 15:53									#31
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I don't think there is anything wrong with homosexuality.

I do think that all types of sex - hetero, homo and whatever other permutations - are silly, icky wastes of time that will hopefully soon be unnecessary.

But I do not think that sexual practice and orientation are the same thing, which is why one chuckles at the arguments against homosexuality which revolve around revulsion for the act.

It is perfectly logically possible to be homosexual, bisexual or heterosexual, but never engage in any physical fulfilment of that orientation.

One also finds it slightly amusing when the old chestnut that sexuality is a choice comes up. Not necessarily in this chapter of the Neverending Story, but in many places.
If it was a choice, why would homosexuals choose to be the way they are, and face prejudice, attacks, abuse, violence, bigotry, etc, etc? And that is just in the enlightened West.
Why would a person choose to be a homosexual in an Arab nation, or in any number of countries now and in history that have persecuted those of such an orientation.
This is another part of why one thinks there is a massive difference between the act, and the inclination.
By this token, and this will probably get hugely flamed, I see a major difference between paedophilia and child abuse,( if we go by the terminology that the former is the disorder/inclination/desire, and the latter is acting upon it) to the extent that the latter requires shooting, and the former pity and treatment.

I stay out of the whole mess myself, but if others want to do whatever they wish, then do what thou wilt. I do wish that people would stop flaunting their heterosexuality in my face and presence, though. I find that a far more prevalent problem than displays of homosexuality.

This is not to say that I am unreasonably against all displays of public affection. On the contrary, if it fulfills certain basic guidelines and is in an appropriate situation - i.e. They've been married for 25 years (preferrably to one another), have permission from both Popes, and it is a St Junipers Day that happens to fall upon a full moon, I may find it in me to allow a single peck on the hand.

	23-07-2002 16:29									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov There isn't anything perverted about two men or women loving each other.

No, it doesn't get perverted until you take on your whole club in one night...

	23-07-2002 16:49									#33
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I think it's vile and disgusting, but it's up to individuals what they do. I have a couple of friends who happen to be gay.

I agree with:

"i really dont care if a guy likes guys. i just dont want to KNOW about it. "

	23-07-2002 16:59									#34
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I've got nothing against homosexuals. I try and treat everyone as equals. One of my mom's friends, who I've known for many years is a lesbian.

The only problem I have is that I don't want to know about other people's relationships, homo, hetero, or bi.

I am sorry, but I have to admit, seeing two dudes kiss on MTV is gross. But I don't hold anything against them. In fact, since most of the gay men I've met in my life are 'pretty boys', it just means more girls for the rest of us. ... I actually wish that like 95% of guys were gay so that I could have like a 1000:1 girl:hetero male ratio.

	23-07-2002 17:00									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I think it's vile and disgusting, but it's up to individuals what they do. I have a couple of friends who happen to be gay. I agree with: "i really dont care if a guy likes guys. i just dont want to KNOW about it. "

And yet you never mention your romantic life?

	23-07-2002 17:02									#36
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No, I don't.

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	23-07-2002 17:35									#38
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Not much anyway.

(Is that all you could find? )

	23-07-2002 17:37									#39
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Common , Mike. Everyone knows that he is bluffing.

I don't care about listening to love stories , whichever.

	23-07-2002 17:55									#40
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I only did a quick search, I couldn't be bothered to look that hard.

	23-07-2002 17:59									#41
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People only feel 'wierd' when seeing two guys kissing because it they aren't used to it. For homosexuals seeing a man and a woman kissing isn't arousing, but we are pretty much used to it.

However, I do find the female vagina repulsive and the physical act of heterosexual sex isn't too pleasant either. Yet it is rammed down my throat (not literally )

People who complain at same-sex couples for kissing in public sicken me.

	23-07-2002 18:12									#42
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Same-sex kissing in public is a bit like picking your nose or scratching your arse. Sure, do it if you want, but don't expect people to want to see it.

	23-07-2002 18:12									#43
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IMO, treating homosexuals badly is the same as treating black people badly. Is he worse than you because he got black skin? No. Is he worse than you because his sexual preference is towards persons of the same gender? No.

Yes, it's very sad that during the middle ages homosexuals were often, well, a subject to torture. And even now it's illegal in some countries. But legalizing homosexuality alone doesn't do it - the sociery must be able to view them as equal people.

Yes, for many of us heterosexual males seeing two males kissing, etc. might not be too much of a pleasure. But they can't imagine how do we get pleasure from sleeping with women!

AFAIK, there's no sexual orientation gene, it's determined just by the person during life.

	23-07-2002 18:15									#44
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I agree with FG that homosexuality is 'unnatural'.

By this I mean that the natural, intended (evolutionarily speaking) use for the male sexual organs is for reproduction. For this you need to have sex witha woman - not a man.

However, by this token, recreational hetro sex is also 'unnatural', as are condoms, the pill, etc.

So I think one has to separate the notions of 'natural' and 'wrong'.

From a religious Christian point of view, a man loving another man is not wrong. In fact, the bible even encourages it - you should love your neighbour irrespective of their sex. It is only gay sex itself that the bible condemns.

And I think this is acceptable. We live in a free society, so we should be allowed to have free opinions on which acts are 'right' and 'wrong'. I think it is perfectly reasonable for people to hold the opinion that gay sex is wrong.

I do not believe that homosexuality is genetic, but I do believe that it is fixed by enviromental factors when young or maybe just chance, ie. I don't believe people choose to be gay or straight. In this light, I think it is wrong to discriminate against people who are gay, and I don't think they are doing anything wrong by being gay.

I pesonally think gay sex is wrong. However, it is no more wrong than lying, arrogance, pride, vanity etc etc, and it is certainly not as bad (from a religious pov) as blasphemy. We live in a free society, and we must allow people to do 'wrong' things as long as they don't hurt anyone else, so even though I think gay sex is wrong, I would defend anyone's right to indulge in it should that right be threatened.

	23-07-2002 18:22									#45
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As far as "naturality" goes, all of the sexual culture that now exists isn't meant to be. Including sexy dresses - they just make men get excited, which isn't supposed to be.

The evolutionary way would probably be having sex 2-4 times in the lifetime, getting a few children, and that's all. Well, some people in some cultures have over 15 children, but that's a different story.

	23-07-2002 18:36									#46
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quote: I do think that all types of sex - hetero, homo and whatever other permutations - are silly, icky wastes of time that will hopefully soon be unnecessary.

Says the man who doesn't get any

	23-07-2002 18:40									#47
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My opinion is unclear, I wouldn't want to see gay sex out on the street but what people do with their lives is their own business. The evolutionary process, does infact, most likely intended for a man and woman to have sex because of reproduction however homosexuals are a part of society and are generally accepted in the developed world (with the exception of Chile, Singapore and other conservative countries). I also generally think it has to do with the environment the person is subjected to and not anything genetic.

quote: And even now it's illegal in some countries. But legalizing homosexuality alone doesn't do it - the sociery must be able to view them as equal people.

You just explained Argentina. This country as far as I am concerned will never be accepting toward homosexuals and police brutality is a well known fact here. It has been for years and years.

	23-07-2002 18:53									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey I know of a pair of lesbien ducks, they live at the hobby farm I dump my grass at. for 3 years now they have been unseperable and have been known to try and mate with each other . I guess if its ok for ducks to be gay then its ok for humans as well . I'm glad I'm hetro.

Those ducks are EVIL. They should be taken out and be roasted ....perhaps with a nice orange sauce

	23-07-2002 18:58									#49
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The homosexuality is a disease, and it is not sure that all homosexuals are borning as gays...

Even if... If would born with AIDS I would not be happy with this and I would try to do everything to wipe out this disease from me... So I think that gays ale people who need a medical care and psychological care... maybe they will change their views and start to be normal...

It is true that many gays started to be sick (to be gays) in the age of 20+- and before they loved with women etc. I think that it lies more in psychic then in gens...

	23-07-2002 19:01									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Same-sex kissing in public is a bit like picking your nose or scratching your arse. Sure, do it if you want, but don't expect people to want to see it.

Well, I think any couples kissing in public is a bit rude, but that's just me.

	23-07-2002 19:04									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Luk The homosexuality is a disease, and it is not sure that all homosexuals are borning as gays... Even if... If would born with AIDS I would not be happy with this and I would try to do everything to wipe out this disease from me... So I think that gays ale people who need a medical care and psychological care... maybe they will change their views and start to be normal... It is true that many gays started to be sick (to be gays) in the age of 20+- and before they loved with women etc. I think that it lies more in psychic then in gens...

Ah, but who decides what's a disease? In the roman empire, being left handed was considered wrong, as t was in victorian england, and (I believe) the middle ages.

Should we make left handed people write with their right hands? Only 5% of mankind does that, so it's unnatural, right?

	23-07-2002 19:09									#52
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Well... this comparision is silly and it is like to compare: "if tank T90 is better then T64 so why Hot-dog is not better then Hamburger".

	23-07-2002 19:12									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Luk Well... this comparision is silly and it is like to compare: "if tank T90 is better then T64 so why Hot-dog is not better then Hamburger".

Explain why it's silly, please. Both are, according to scientists, influenced by genetics to some degree. Both don't stop people from living productive lives. And both are/were, at some point or another, condemned by religion (the catholic church especially on the left-handed one. They used it as evidence in witch trials.)

	23-07-2002 19:12									#54
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And one more... Im against banning Homosexuality as Im against banning people who are happy from being HIV positive...

	23-07-2002 19:14									#55
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Well... It is not sure that it is influenced by genetics or it is a habit, and choice

	23-07-2002 19:27									#56
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Wow. I'm impressed. You've totally managed to make yourself look like a fool inside of 4 posts.

	23-07-2002 19:29									#57
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Most posters here don't need one sentence for that.

	23-07-2002 19:34									#58
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quote: It is gross and perverted. Its pointless and backwards. As far as Im concerned. I would try to discourage it and not encourage it.

Amen to that..

its unnatural....

its not what was intended...

I mean I don't have a problem if you're homosexual, just don't try to push up on me(I had a lesbian friend who claimed to not be attracted to straight women, but had this HUUUUGE crush on me. Apparently I was a potential lesbian in her eyes. Needless to say, that friendship was shortlived once she crossed the line, disrespecting me by hitting on me all the time. it creeped me the hell out because I would never ever ever ever get down like that.)....and don't share your stories with me unless you want me to pull and exorcistesque projectile vomiting show.

	23-07-2002 19:37									#59
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quote: So I think that gays ale people who need a medical care and psychological care... maybe they will change their views and start to be normal

to be a moron, or not to be moron

with him, there is no question.

	23-07-2002 20:00									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh I agree with FG that homosexuality is 'unnatural'. By this I mean that the natural, intended (evolutionarily speaking) use for the male sexual organs is for reproduction. For this you need to have sex witha woman - not a man.

I as hetero can have sex just for fun, without the intention to reproduce...

And donīt understand that nature in general can have an intention, this is a category which makes no sense here IMO.