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Caligastia
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How can it be wrong when it feels so right?
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Jon Miller
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Originally posted by Asher
Jon is arguing that the world is underpopulated, and thus it is a problem that the vast majority of homosexuals do not reproduce. |
no
I am just arguing that the world is underpopulated
this is a threadjack
Jon Miller
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Jon Miller
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but pollution would be more managable because it would not always be
a few dollars versus hoorible pollution (you know which the corporations will pick)
China is the same problem as USSR and other like countries, the beuracracy is in control and they are not green
there equation is different then money versus pollution, but it is still wrong
I was just refering to the worst polluters, the firstworld corporations
I argue that we are underpopulated becuase not only could we sustain more population
but it would be advantageous for us to have more population
Jon Miller
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Miller
but pollution would be more managable because it would not always be
a few dollars versus hoorible pollution (you know which the corporations will pick)
China is the same problem as USSR and other like countries, the beuracracy is in control and they are not green
there equation is different then money versus pollution, but it is still wrong
I was just refering to the worst polluters, the firstworld corporations
I argue that we are underpopulated becuase not only could we sustain more population
but it would be advantageous for us to have more population
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Likewise, it would be advantageous for everyone to be 15 feet tall, and thus we must begin genetically altering babies. 
You're throwing out ideas that are ridiculous ("capitalism causes pollution"), then when confronted with a counterexample of non-capitalist states with huge pollution problems it suddenly becomes their specific problems, and has nothing to do with your capitalism assertion.
Then you state "we are underpopulated because it's better if we have more people", more or less. Why, Jon? What can't we do now that we can with more people?
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Caligastia
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Originally posted by Asher
Pollution is caused by the modern world |
Back in the "good old days" things were more polluted than they are today.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:21
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You choose to have homosexual sex, heterosexual sex, or no sex at all. |
We're talking about homosexuality and heterosexuality, not necessarily having sex.
Knowing this, do you freely admit it's a choice which gender you are attracted to? Can you choose to be attracted to a man?
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You aren't just born thinking about how you want to have sex with someone of the same sex as yourself; it develops in your mind over time. |
So you speak from experience?
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If you can blame homosexuality on genetics, then the same can be said for murderers. He was born a murderer, so should we punish him? What a dumb question. |
You're right, that IS a dumb question. Of course you should punish him, regardless if it's genetic, he KILLED SOMEONE. How is that anywhere remotely comparable to homosexuality? And I hardly think the vast majority of murder cases can be linked to genetics, and if they did it still wouldn't matter.
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But because homosexuality doesn't hurt people, I don't think people should be punished for it like murder. Instead, if they are caught doing something homosexual, they should get counseling. That would be their "punishment". |
Why do you care so much about what they do? Does it tempt you and you want the temptation to go away, or do you feel you are doing God's work?
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:21
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Originally posted by moominparatrooper
Like three more in Louisiana? Any hamlet above the ten thousand inhabitants in the westen world has it's own gay parade these days.
I can't really believe you're serious arguing over this point. |
You are a terrible fool, you know. Gay pride parades are only know in large cities, such as Chicago, NYC, SF, Milwaukee, etc.
There are Marti Gras parades in Mobile, Alabama, Carnival in Rio, and similar such festivals worldwide! The Hindu countries have heterosexual festivals, as do most pagan societies. Europe has many such festivals.
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MrFun
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of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:21
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In the future, we will have proven how sexual orientation develops.
I say that no matter how sexual orientation develops, homosexuality and homosexual sex is not wrong, nor is it unnatural.
The United States still has what I call Pink Crow laws, such as sodomy laws that in theory, apply to all sexual orientations, but in pratice, is meant to discriminate against homosexuals.
And another Pink Crow law that in a number of states, bans legal recognition of civil unions of homosexual couples.
And there are other Pink Crow laws as well -- like denying employed homosexual couples the same benefits that employed heterosexual couples enjoy.
And then of course, there's the unofficial, social custom of a Pink Crow law that makes behavior that is appropriate for heterosexual couples to act out in public, not appropriate for homosexual couples.
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Caligastia
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Originally posted by MrFun
The United States still has what I call Pink Crow laws, such as sodomy laws that in theory, apply to all sexual orientations, but in pratice, is meant to discriminate against homosexuals.
And another Pink Crow law that in a number of states, bans legal recognition of civil unions of homosexual couples.
And there are other Pink Crow laws as well -- like denying employed homosexual couples the same benefits that employed heterosexual couples enjoy.
And then of course, there's the unofficial, social custom of a Pink Crow law that makes behavior that is appropriate for heterosexual couples to act out in public, not appropriate for homosexual couples. |
Nobody cares about the "pink crow" laws because they are not enforced, and are a joke. Why dont you complain about something that actually affects someone?
To compare them to Jim Crow laws is utterly ridiculous.
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Dimorier Maximus
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of Apolyton
May 2001
time: 05:21
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Originally posted by Asher
We're talking about homosexuality and heterosexuality, not necessarily having sex. |
You may be, but I'm not.
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Knowing this, do you freely admit it's a choice which gender you are attracted to? Can you choose to be attracted to a man? |
Yes, if I wanted to I could choose to be attracted to a man, and I could choose to have sex with him.
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So you speak from experience? |
Yes, I do as a matter of fact. I didn't want to have sex with anyone when I was five years old because I didn't even know what sex was.
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You're right, that IS a dumb question. Of course you should punish him, regardless if it's genetic, he KILLED SOMEONE. How is that anywhere remotely comparable to homosexuality? And I hardly think the vast majority of murder cases can be linked to genetics, and if they did it still wouldn't matter. |
It's comparable to homosexuality because they are both counterproductive. Yes, using contraceptives is wrong too. I know you will ask that. And abortion, wrong.
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Why do you care so much about what they do? Does it tempt you and you want the temptation to go away, or do you feel you are doing God's work? |
Why ask why? Try Bud Dry. Why do you care so much about what I think? Is it because you want me to think like you, or do you feel you are doing God's work?
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Giancarlo
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Los Angeles
Apr 2000
time: 02:21
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And the article most striking is this one:
http://www.hrw.org/worldreport99/special/gay.html
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Police violence against and detention of gay and lesbians in Argentina continued in 1998, and Human Rights Watch representatives met with Argentinian government officials in October to discuss such abuses. According to a Human Rights Watch report, released in Buenos Aires in October, homosexuals were subjected to frequent arbitrary detentions, followed by police abuses that included extortion, verbal and physical violence, torture, inhuman and degrading detention conditions, robbery, compulsory HIV testing, sexual harassment and rape, false criminal accusations and death threats. Police in Argentina conducted razzias (raids) against members of homosexual communities, raiding bars, discos, and other meetings places and often detaining large groups at a time. Individuals were searched and detained for no apparent reason, according to the discretion of the police conducting the raid. Some transgender women in Mendoza, Argentina, were arrested and assaulted by police in 1998 and kept in basement cells with inadequate ventilation where they were sexually assaulted and denied access to medical treatment. |
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:21
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Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus
You may be, but I'm not. |
Is it fun to redefine words so it suits your argument better? This thread is about homosexuality and heterosexuality, not choosing to have sex with someone.
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Yes, if I wanted to I could choose to be attracted to a man, and I could choose to have sex with him. |
If you're being completely honest, this means you're bisexual and simply repress the urges to be with a man. Most straight men wouldn't agree with you.
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Yes, I do as a matter of fact. I didn't want to have sex with anyone when I was five years old because I didn't even know what sex was. |
Why don't you try that again, this time with an example from puberty when those hormones actually kick in.
Besides, there are actually plenty of gays who felt the attraction since birth, while most end up with it in puberty.
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It's comparable to homosexuality because they are both counterproductive. Yes, using contraceptives is wrong too. I know you will ask that. And abortion, wrong. |
So it is only right to have sex when you're trying to produce a little baby Christian?
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Why ask why? Try Bud Dry. Why do you care so much about what I think? |
Because your attitude breeds intolerance and hate that I have to deal with on a daily basis.
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Is it because you want me to think like you, or do you feel you are doing God's work? |
I want you to stop being such an intolerant hick, is what I want you to do. Let people do their own things, don't pretend you know anything about what they're going through when you're clearly clueless, and stop pushing your religious agenda on others.
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