31-07-2002 20:25									#331
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So a bigger bomb is now needed for a more mature message. This time, bomb a Palestinian school. The secondary explosions should be tremendous if they can hit the Bomb Making wing on the elementary school.

	31-07-2002 20:40									#332
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S. Kroeze do you thinks that USA anti terrorist campmaign is wrong?

	31-07-2002 20:45									#333
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I would think they would only do that if the palestinians
made larger bombs for Israeli markets to kill more innocent women and children.

I get the feeling some believe it's ok for suicide bombers to kill innocent people.

No innocents should be killed therefore niether side is right. Regardless of the reasons they do it. Yes innocents die in war but one side is targeting them intentionally.

Imagine the outrage if the Israelis targeted markets, resturants, busses, schools... So the question is why no outrage when suicide bombers do it to Israelis?

It simply can not be justified, it should not be tollerated either way. There is simply no excuse big enough.

	31-07-2002 20:45									#334
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quote: Originally posted by Venom ...Palestinian school...

First: Here was not ANY military operation against civilians.
Second: most of Palestinian schools were built by Israel on Israel's money. And other school are school that educate natism and terrorism only.

	31-07-2002 20:50									#335
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People from europa. Try to fancy the reaction of your country on regullar terracts. I think that if basque-terrorist were as palestinan they would be already ....ed

	31-07-2002 20:58									#336
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Do you know that in so called "refugee camp" explosives factory was found?

	31-07-2002 21:00									#337
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S Kroeze you are svoloch pozornaja.

	31-07-2002 21:01									#338
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Do you know that you used a 1 ton bomb on an a populated area when there were lesser methods of achieving the same result?

	31-07-2002 21:07									#339
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Do you know that you used a 1 ton bomb on an a populated area

1. Your sourse of knowledge greatly overnumber the bomb weight.
2. And what do you think about people who live with terrorist leader and support him and act as his shield?
3. Why donnt criticize USA that bombed Afganistan capital (including populated area). Becouse they are wealthier?

quote: when there were lesser methods of achieving the same result?

4. What's your idea how to assasin terrorist, who always with live shield with him?
5. Take a gun into your hands and show me your method. Until you do it you are balabol
(Kropotkin, help me translate the word "balabol" to english)

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	31-07-2002 21:12									#340
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Another suicide bombing in Jerusalem. I guss Sharon is to be congratulated. The peace process is definetly stopped.


A 1000kg bomb in a densely populated area sends a very clear message. "It doesn't matter what you do, Israel will kill you anyway. You might as well kill yourself in a way as to take a few of your tormentors with you. Strap on an explosive belt today."

	31-07-2002 21:15									#341
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muxec, why are you invoking the US campaign in Afganistan? The bombings there are much more related to the palestinian resistance to Israels state-sponsored terrorism than the otherway around...

	31-07-2002 21:20									#342
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Venom has been banned for being too funny but he wanted me to add something to this conversation:

quote: You must post that I support the bombing of all Palestinians just as long as the jewish military pays full price for the bombs for once.

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quote: Originally posted by CyberGnu muxec, why are you invoking the US campaign in Afganistan? The bombings there are much more related to the palestinian resistance to Israels state-sponsored terrorism than the otherway around...

You simply afraid of saing truth. The bombing of Kabul was the same as Israel bombing, and you are simly antisemite.
If you disagree wuth me, tell me about the difference between these bombings.

	31-07-2002 21:26									#344
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Venom banned? Really?

	31-07-2002 21:30									#345
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The difference?

One was in response ot aggression, the other WAS aggression.

Quite simple.

	31-07-2002 21:31									#346
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All the victims are probably not Israelis, but students from around the world.

10 of the wounded are Arabs.

	31-07-2002 21:34									#347
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quote: Originally posted by CyberGnu The difference? One was in response ot aggression, the other WAS aggression. Quite simple.

1. Both WAS responce on aggression. Palestinians declared WAR on us at 1946 and all Israel attempts to stop the war were declined by arabs. And small note at 1946 Palesatina and England signed a millitery alliance against us. See more info at www.idf.com
War of 1973: Israel was attacked at Holly day "Jom kipur" the day when 95% of army at vacation.

2. Do you know, that afgan army was ARMED by USA at time of Soviet-Afgan war?

	31-07-2002 21:36									#348
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quote: Originally posted by muxec Venom banned? Really?

Yes, see my thread about it.

	31-07-2002 21:37									#349
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quote: Originally posted by Eli All the victims are probably not Israelis, but students from around the world. 10 of the wounded are Arabs.

Some Koeans. It was not action about Israel. It was action about all not Islam people. Against arabs who preffer science to islam. Action against hummanity.

	31-07-2002 21:50									#350
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1)England and France declared war against Germany in 1939, not the other way around. Germany asked for peace repeatedly.

Neither of these facts make France or England the aggressor.

You must always put things in their historical perspective.

Regarding the british declaration of war: Quite frankly, I don't believe it. And even if true, so?

2: So?

	31-07-2002 21:53									#351
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quote: Originally posted by muxec (Kropotkin, help me translate the word "balabol" to english)

No can do, you better ask someone that knows the language in question.

(I don't know why everyone seems to think I speak hebrew these days. Have I started to be to pro-Israeli?!)

	31-07-2002 21:54									#352
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"action against humanity"... Yeah, right....

Question: Do all of Likud get together and have champagne after a bombing, or does Sharon celebrate in the privacy of his office?

	31-07-2002 21:56									#353
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Kropotkin, could it be your russian sounding name?

	31-07-2002 21:58									#354
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Possibly, but as far as I know not everyone from Russia has moved to Israel...

Congratulation for being called a antisemite there mr. Gnu. Not that it's very hard...

	31-07-2002 22:05									#355
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Muxec,

One of the major problems with Israel's bomb attack was that it is very clear that there was a cold, calculated decision by the government to drop a large bomb on an apartment building - an act which could not help but harm civilians - in order to kill the terrorist they were after. Sharon then goes out and calls it a "great victory" while the reports of dead Palestinian children roll in.

On the one hand, Israel's government has a responsibility to its citizens to take action to protect them from terrorists. On the other, Israel has a responsibility to do all that it can to avoid killing civilians. A tough dilemna, to be sure.

The cycle of violence continues - the attack on the university was claimed by Hamas. They specifically said it was in retaliation for the Israeli bomb attack.

-Arrian

	31-07-2002 22:11									#356
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Sharon also said that he thought it was sad everytime that innocent died. For how much that's worth. But the same could be applied to Hamas, of cource they are going to say that it's a retaliation for the Israeli attack. doing otherwise is bad PR. Both/all sides do it.

	31-07-2002 22:34									#357
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin No can do, you better ask someone that knows the language in question. (I don't know why everyone seems to think I speak hebrew these days. Have I started to be to pro-Israeli?!)

That wasnt Hebrew.

	31-07-2002 22:37									#358
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How should I know?

	31-07-2002 22:38									#359
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin Sharon also said that he thought it was sad everytime that innocent died. For how much that's worth. But the same could be applied to Hamas, of cource they are going to say that it's a retaliation for the Israeli attack.

And revenge is ok?

You know, there is a hint of racism here.

It's wrong for Israel to retaliate, even against military targets, because they are modern, western, mainly white country, it's wrong for them to do something that looks like revenge. The Palestinians though are just crazy primitive Arabs who cannot control their emotions and actions, so you cant really blame them for deliberately attacking civilians. Right?

	31-07-2002 22:46									#360
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quote: Originally posted by CyberGnu 1)England and France declared war against Germany in 1939, not the other way around. Germany asked for peace repeatedly. Neither of these facts make France or England the aggressor. You must always put things in their historical perspective. Regarding the british declaration of war: Quite frankly, I don't believe it. And even if true, so? 2: So?

As to point 1, why? German lands were unfairly expropriated, and the Reich broken up, at the end of WWI. Hitler appeared to be trying to undo the Versailles treaty.

In a sense, England and France were the aggressors by imposing an unfair peace.

*** for tat. One thing leads to another. Memories are long, etc.

The conventional wisdom is that England and France caused WWII by their weakness in face of Hitler's demands. But in truth, they may have caused WWII by their aggression in the Versailles Treaty.