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Darkness' Edge
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I think we should follow the tried-and-tested system from the Civ2 game, with all posts directly elected, and the community being polled on every single decision. It's worked beautifully there, and I can't see the point in taking the power out of the citizens hands...
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Pandemoniak
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of Xanadu, French Section of the Apolyton Must Crush Capitalism Party
Jul 2002
time: 06:21
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EXECUTIVE MEMBERS :
- Faction Leader [/B]: plays the game, five turns every two days. He can call for a High Coucil Poll, or for a Citizen's Poll. He can vote in Citizen's Poll, and in High Coucil Poll.
HIGH COUNCIL :
- Prime Minister : assist the Faction Leader, advise him.
He can vote in Citizen's Poll, and in High Coucil Poll.
He can ask for High Council Poll, and for a Citizen's Poll, for something concerning his department
- Minister of Colonies : his duty is to explore Planet, and to colonize it.
He can ask for High Council Poll, and for a Citizen's Poll, for something concerning his department
He can vote in Citizen's Poll, and in High Coucil Poll.
- Minister of Terraforming : his duty is to make Planet a better place to live.
He can ask for High Council Poll, and for a Citizen's Poll, for something concerning his department
He can vote in Citizen's Poll, and in High Coucil Poll.
- Minister of the Economy : His duty is to deal with economy.
He can ask for High Council Poll, and for a Citizen's Poll, for something concerning his department
He can vote in Citizen's Poll, and in High Coucil Poll.
- Minister of the Military : his duty is to care about military things.
He can ask for High Council Poll, and for a Citizen's Poll, for something concerning his department
He can vote in Citizen's Poll, and in High Coucil Poll.
- Minister of Science : his duty is to deal with sciences : what should be researched.
He can ask for High Council Poll, and for a Citizen's Poll, for something concerning his department
He can vote in Citizen's Poll, and in High Coucil Poll.
- Minister of Foreign Affairs : his duty is to choose who are our allies and ennemies.
He can ask for High Council Poll, and for a Citizen's Poll, for something concerning his department
He can vote in Citizen's Poll, and in High Coucil Poll.
COUNCIL
- City Planner : his duty is to plan what must be built in bases.
He can vote in Citizen's Poll.
- Historian : his duty is to keep the forum in knowledge with what is going on. He also write fictions, etc...
He can vote in Citizen's Poll.
SOCIAL ENGINEERING
The president cannot change the social engineering without consulting either the High Council or the Citizens.
MISCELLANEOUS
SP must be built with agreement of both City Planner and related Minister. If they cant agree, the Minister can call for a High Council Poll, or for a Citizen poll.
Does it sound good as a constitution ?
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DeathByTheSword
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soon to be a major religion
Nov 2001
time: 05:21
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Pandemoniak this rulez.... i concur. but perhapse we can give SP to a minister/ director that hasnt much to do.....? and I still like the idea that someone thinks about covert-ops minister/director.........and I also agree with Darkness' Edge that ever minister/ director be elected directly. the extra power that the leader has is that he plays the game and all the things that are not planned not in those 5 turns (Pandemoniak`s idea) he deals with by him self....if he does that badly he will not be elected again............what about it?
i taught of putting this in a seperate thread and if that is what people want I will do it but i made a sum up from everthing I could find. i put it in one file....read and modify if you want but it is also found on all this threads......
Last edited by DeathByTheSword on 05-08-2002 at 17:24
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Maniac
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Gent, Belgium
Jul 1999
time: 06:21
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I still prefer the old idea on the second page, perhaps with some name changes:
High Commissioner: plays the turn
Alpha Talent: Vice-Commissioner, organizes elections
Operations Director: controls military units and unit design
Intelligence Director: controls probe teams and exploration units
Economy Director: base production (all facilities and SPs), energy and trade
Social Affairs (or SE) Director: income division, specialists, drones, organizes polls on SE
Foreign Affairs Director: Contacts with other factions, Planetary Council stuff
Colonization and Terraformation Director: controls Colony Pods and Terraformers
Research Director: tech rate, research goal
Librarian: his duty is to keep the forum in knowledge with what is going on. He also write fictions, etc...
My first problem with Pandemoniak's idea is that the Economy Minister has nothing to do if the City Planner decides what to produce in the bases. My second problem is that the Colonies minister will have nothing to do after the first 100 years. Therefore I would split that office into Colonies (to Terraformation) and Exploration (to Intelligence).
Other ideas are that the function of Intelligence Director could be merged with Foreign Affairs when most of the map is explored and we have frequencies of all factions. Another idea is that the Colonization Director will stay and keep both functions, and that probe teams will be in the Foreign Affairs Directorate from the start, but that this Colonization directorate will simply be abolished after the first 100 turns or so.
Edit: all buildings to Economy
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Comrade Tassadar
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quote:
- Historian : his duty is to keep the forum in knowledge with what is going on. He also write fictions, etc...
He can vote in Citizen's Poll. |
Ya know, I don't think Historian should be an official position. There is no need for it to have elections because there will probably be many historians out there anyway. Unity News Network (which may be renamed.....special reward for someone who can guess what the next name will be) is a means for which myself and other people can become their own historians. I can look back at past issues and see what was the current buzz and all that, so...To me, it seems un-nesisary (sp please)
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Kassiopeia
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Jyväskylä, Finland
Jul 2001
time: 07:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Andemagne
first of all, the people do not deside what is immoral and what's not. they only deside what do they hold as immoral act. and that goes by the whole consept of morality. morality is an objective thing, given to humans by God or something else. so we need priests and philosophers to interpret this objectivity to the people.
second, ministers rise from the public, so they are just normal human beings. and they do not possess the same insight as priests or philosophers. so we a "religious advisor" to tell the other ministers what is the morally right course of action. or it can just be called philosopher.
third! WE DO NEED A RELIGIOUS ADIVISOR! 'cos with out being a moral agent human cannot achive happy life (eudaimonia) which is meaning of our lives. |
I understand. But. Then the religious advisor would have to be selected in some other way then a public ballot, as I think it's quite clear that it would be silly... that would mean that the moral grounds of the RA are dictated by the voting populace.
Therefore I suggest that none is selected, and that those who wish to become these priests and philosophers can do so on their own might; so, we do not need an RA, but some citizens acting voluntarily and freely as such counsellors would be more then welcome. They could hold their objectivity if this position is given by none but instead taken by them themselves, by their own calling.
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Andemagne
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Rovaniemi, Lappland, Finland
Dec 1999
time: 07:21
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OK forget what I said in my last post. that's true in real life but this is a game.
My Suggestion:
Commissioner - plays the game, overseas the Ministers
Vice Commissioner - Commissioner's Aide, does everything Commissioner forgets
Minister of Exploration and Intelligence - initial exploration (scoutrovers and patrols) and probe teams
Minister of Terraforming and Colonization - controls colony pods and terraformers
Minister of Energy and Industry - SP's, base structures, crawlers, worker placings, energy, .....
Research Manager - labs rate, research goal
Minister of Social Affairs - psi rate, specialists, drones, .....
Diplomat - contacts with other factions, planetary counsil stuff
Unit Engineer - designs new units
General - controls land military units
Admiral - controls naval units
Air Force Commander - controls air units, missiles and orbital satellites
Librarian - tells the story
(Commissioner + 12) (ministers can also be called advisors/directors/secretarys/something else)
citizens choose ministers in elections. ministers make desisions of their own area withOUT consulting the public (thats what they are there for). ministers tell their decisions to "president", who plays the game and makes the final desisions. only in major issues (war/peace, sosial engineering, etc.) the people is asked their oppinnion. OR we just could poll every decision in the game.
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