06-08-2002 04:26									#121
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Ande> That could be edited... like a Military Commissioner can nominate himself a Unit Engineer, an Admiral, etc... what he sees fit, but they're controlled by a higher commissioner. So it shouldn't get too complicated since the commissioner is responsible for his own field and advisors etc...

	06-08-2002 04:28									#122
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Well I'm glad we could reach an agreement there, Andemagnus.

quote: Unit Engineer - designs new units General - controls land military units Admiral - controls naval units Air Force Commander - controls air units, missiles and orbital satellites

I do think that having unit design and control under one title is sufficient... and I very much prefer Alpha Talent.

	06-08-2002 04:32									#123
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Kass> I think all that should belong to Defense Minister (whatever will he be called...) who could then decide on whether he'd like to have those aides by his side (like I said in my earlier post)

	06-08-2002 04:35									#124
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Yes, every director could have a staff comprised of his own aides, there's nothing to object that.

	06-08-2002 04:35									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Crisler Brother, it is nice to know I am not alone in my struggle to provide a rudder in the sea of immorality, you are welcome to join the Fundamentalist Faction and help "fight the good fight".

thank you for the invitation, but you need to know that I'm more like a Philosopher than a Priest, and I rather but my faith in Wisdom than God or his scribture. surely Wisdom is gift from God, but do FF see it that way?
yes, I must admit that I chase good life quite fanaticly, but I not sure if FF is right party to chase it in.
maybe a Faction with little wider "Fan Base" is needed?

	06-08-2002 04:38									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Well I'm glad we could reach an agreement there, Andemagnus.

yes I'm too

quote: I do think that having unit design and control under one title is sufficient... and I very much prefer Alpha Talent.

Alpha Talent = Vice-Commissioner And Commander Of Armed Forces?

	06-08-2002 04:47									#127
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Oh no. I was replying to the part about Vice Commissioner. Commander of Armed Forces = Minister of Defence/Operations Director (DAMN THOSE MOSQUITOS! *whips the buggers around with his keyboard*) , Alpha Talent = Vice Commissioner.

	06-08-2002 04:52									#128
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i agree that unit designer, admiral, general, and air commander (except satellites) should all be one post.

so do we have a final list?

	06-08-2002 04:56									#129
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...if someone would care to write it down here again.

	06-08-2002 05:00									#130
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MODIFIED ANDEMANGE'S LIST


Commissioner - plays the game, overseas the Ministers
Vice Commissioner/Alpha Talent - Commissioner's Aide, does everything Commissioner forgets
Minister of Exploration and Intelligence - initial exploration (scoutrovers and patrols) and probe teams
Minister of Terraforming and Colonization - controls colony pods and terraformers
Minister of Energy and Industry - SP's, base structures, crawlers, worker placings, energy, .....
Research Manager - labs rate, research goal
Minister of Social Affairs - psi rate, specialists, drones, .....
Diplomat - contacts with other factions, planetary counsil stuff
Operations Director/Minister of Defence- designs new units, controls military units. ORBITAL DEFENCE PODS?
Librarian - tells the story
(ministers can also be called advisors/directors/secretarys/something else)

citizens choose ministers in elections. ministers make desisions of their own area withOUT consulting the public (thats what they are there for). ministers tell their decisions to "president", who plays the game and makes the final desisions. only in major issues (war/peace, sosial engineering, etc.) the people is asked their oppinnion. OR we just could poll every decision in the game.

	06-08-2002 05:02									#131
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quote: Originally posted by TKG psi rate

what's this?

	06-08-2002 05:04									#132
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quote: quote: Originally posted by TKG psi rate what's this?

Like the luxury rate in Civilization, it punction a part of energy to summon talents in our base.

	06-08-2002 05:05									#133
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Commissioner
Alpha Talent
Minister of Research
Minister of Defense
Minister of Infrastructure and Economics
Minister of Terraformation and Colonisation
Minister of Social Engineering
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Chief Librarian

	06-08-2002 05:07									#134
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Diplomat => Minister of Foreign Affairs.

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Hmh, ahead of me, Kass.

	06-08-2002 05:08									#136
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This list is fine in my opinion. But who would be responsible of the SE ? Perhaps we should choose it by a poll when we discover a technology that brings a new SE possibility ? And the Presidents running this poll ?

	06-08-2002 05:10									#137
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Commissioner - plays the game, overseas the Ministers
Alpha Talent - Commissioner's Aide, does everything Commissioner forgets
Minister of Exploration and Intelligence - initial exploration (scoutrovers and patrols) and probe teams
Minister of Terraforming and Colonization - controls colony pods and terraformers
Minister of Energy and Industry - SP's, base structures, crawlers, worker placings, energy, .....
Minister of Research - labs rate, research goal
Minister of Social Engineering - psi rate, specialists, drones
Minister of Foreign Affairs - contacts with other factions, planetary counsil stuff
Minister of Defence- designs new units, controls military units. ORBITAL DEFENCE PODS?
Librarian - tells the story
(ministers can also be called advisors/directors/secretarys/something else)

^^^
I modified the earlier list a bit.

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	06-08-2002 05:11									#138
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Juliennew> There's a Minister of Social Engineering.

Although I do agree that SE is a matter so important that it shouldn't be resting upon the shoulders of just this one minister. The whole council with President should oversee it.

	06-08-2002 05:14									#139
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Uh, of course, Minister of Foreign Affairs, not Diplomatic Advisor.

	06-08-2002 05:14									#140
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Kass> WTF?? Diplomatic Advisor?? You saatanan hilloperse! It's Foreign Affairs Minister, or Foreign Minister. Diplomatic Advisor makes it sound so... lower in value than the others. Like an errand-boy...

"Come here, Advisor-boy and say this and that to the evil Hive while we big Ministers make all the important decisions"

Change it, or you're a kyrpä-anus.

(sorry, I'm tired, don't get offended )

	06-08-2002 05:15									#141
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God dammit, ahead of me AGAIN!

	06-08-2002 05:16									#142
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The Minister of SE would be the poll-arranger and our expert on Social Engineering and psi control (drones etc.).

	06-08-2002 05:21									#143
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Ade,

	06-08-2002 05:52									#144
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I think there should be one person in charge of setting the science, economy, and psych rates. If we have three people, either they all have to agree or two of them can set the third's rate without that person's consent.

Granted, the rates will be set by poll anyway, but for simplicity it makes sense to have once person do all three.

My original idea was a Commissioner for Energy, but under the current plan the Minister of Social Engineering fits nicely into the role. All we would have to do is make her or him responsible for the entire energy allocation (an SE function anyway), rather than just Psych.

My 2 cents.

	06-08-2002 06:25									#145
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Adam, I apparently fumbled there; It's been my intention all along to have the M of SE to control the rates, but my point was that the M of R and others will be lobbying to have rates they benefit from raised.

	06-08-2002 06:27									#146
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Makes sense.

	06-08-2002 08:07									#147
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would the minister of defence be responsible for orbital defence pods, or the minister of Energy and Industry?

	06-08-2002 11:26									#148
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Does the Minister of Energy and Industry decide all by himself what the bases should be building? That gives him huge powers, because he can decide whether to build military units, crawlers, colony pods, or base facilities... then again, I suppose that if he cannot negotiate with other ministers very well it will be remembered in the next election.

	06-08-2002 14:22									#149
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i think there should be seperate ministers for air, land and navy, and let them design their own units, and terraforming units should be designed by the minister of terraforming

	06-08-2002 14:46									#150
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By the way, I propose that they be called secrataries instead of ministers, this is after all UN faction...

EDIT: Ugh, I must've been thinking about Soviet Union.

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