15-08-2002 11:52									#181
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Thanks for your help NeoStar.

No worries - If you have time just use a search engine and take a guess.

quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin ...You should better ask me about AC/DC...

Good old AC/DC? You champ! Did they have a big following in France?

quote: Originally posted by finbar Jeepers! You're taking me back a few years with AC/DC and Rose Tattoo. I saw them both live playing in the local pubs when they were just starting out

.....Lucky bugger One of the aussie greats, they were. What were your impressions at the time?

	15-08-2002 12:26									#182
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quote: Originally posted by NeoStar Good old AC/DC? You champ! Did they have a big following in France?

They were massive in Europe before they made it in the States.

quote: What were your impressions at the time?

Very very very loud.

BTW, NeoStar, your public heresy in the AFL thread has been noted.

	15-08-2002 12:32									#183
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quote: Originally posted by finbar They were massive in Europe before they made it in the States.

I didn't know all of Europe.

quote: Originally posted by finbar BTW, NeoStar, your public heresy in the AFL thread has been noted.

As I replied over there, you misquoted me. I was talking in relation to AFL - its better that than aussie rules, I mean you can switch to Union To be honest though, it did sound a bit suss...

	15-08-2002 12:49									#184
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Hey Finbar, the footy show is on!

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quote: BUDDHA: "Go you good thing!".

You make a better Buddha and Poido than they do.

quote: the writer didn't seem to come down one way or the other on the obstruction question before ending with the irrelevant

Okay, got it now thanks. It’s pretty unusual actually because he normally does say if the ref was ‘wrong’ or ‘right’ in his discussions on the laws.

quote: Just in case he has to admit that a NH ref made a complete and utter d*ck of himself.

I admire your wild optimism. (As for NYC – maybe next year, but by then the next six nations will be over and the next tri-nations about to start – the penalty try will be long forgotten).

quote: Can you believe there are actually supporters who defend this guy? In his home town he is looked upon as a hero. How disgusting. He is nothing but a thug.

They are clearly idiots – the concept of spectators assaulting officials is totally abhorrent to me, and all right thinking rugger fans I would hope.

quote: Mark Connors is off to Northampton. How do they rate?

After a poor start they finished 5th in the Premiership. They are in fact Tigers closest domestic rivals – we have two “East Midlands” derbies a year. They are universally called ‘Saints’ rather than Northampton. In over a hundred years they have won just two first class trophies – a second division title and, bizarrely, the European cup in the worst final ever (9-6, all penalties, over Munster) in 2000.
But they have an ace up their sleeve now – when NZ got rid of Wayne Smith Saints then snapped him up – he turned their season around last year and I expect them to do much better next season.

quote: Hey Havak, at least us Aussies ain't that bad

Well Neostar – might I dare suggest because you have never enticed top English players to defect to your clubs? In fact the only English player ever to sign for Super 12 side had to leave here for a few year after an ear biting incident – even he, Kevin Yates, is now back and with Sale.

Of course an Aussie might argue that’s because English players are not good enough to play S12.
The reality is the ‘pay’ here is better and, like your Unions, England will not select outside NH clubs rosters. Old players get a better pension with French and UK clubs than signing to S12 outfits.

	15-08-2002 16:53									#186
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Lads, I have called this meeting of the Rugby - The Game They Play In Heaven Disciplinary Panel in order that we may deal with what I believe to be an episode of outrageous heresy by one of our number.

NeoStar? Step forward? On your knees, if you please?

I put it to you, NeoStar, that in another thread in this forum, you did say the following:

quote: its good to see League spreading

You cannot deny it. For it is writ clearly in the ether in Hydey's Australian Rules Football thread.

How do you plead to the charge of outrageous heresy?

Guilty? But, of course!

My fellow members of the Rugby - The Game They Play In Heaven Disciplinary Panel - I would ask you to retire and consider the punishment.

May I suggest the following options?

1. We throw him in the nearest river. If he drowns, he's clearly not a heretic, and we will welcome him back to the fold with open arms.

2. If he floats, he's clearly made of wood, and therefore should be burned.

3. No action will be taken against me for plagiarism of a well-known film.

This meeting of the Rugby - The Game They Play In Heaven Disciplinary Panel is adjourned to Havak's local and it's his shout!

	15-08-2002 16:57									#187
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quote: Originally posted by NeoStar Im really not fitting in here. I might as well admit it - I've played both sports. I played union mostly but I have played LEAGUE.

I can only suggest a bout of de-programming to rid you of this appalling tendency to remember that L-word.

quote: (runs off quickly)

Too late! You've already been hauled before the Rugby - The Game They Play In Heaven Disciplinary Panel in the post above.

	15-08-2002 17:02									#188
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quote: Originally posted by Havak the penalty try will be long forgotten).

Mmmm. People have underestimated my persistency before.

quote: After a poor start they finished 5th in the Premiership. They are in fact Tigers closest domestic rivals – we have two “East Midlands” derbies a year. They are universally called ‘Saints’ rather than Northampton. In over a hundred years they have won just two first class trophies – a second division title and, bizarrely, the European cup in the worst final ever (9-6, all penalties, over Munster) in 2000. But they have an ace up their sleeve now – when NZ got rid of Wayne Smith Saints then snapped him up – he turned their season around last year and I expect them to do much better next season.

Mmmm. Should I consider becoming a supporter? I mean, Derek Randall's eccentricity appealed to me. OTOH, the Fez boys rather appeal to me too.

quote: Well Neostar –

Sorry, Havak, NeoStar's currently in Coventry, if you'll pardon the mildly confusing geographic cliche.

	15-08-2002 17:17									#189
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Rugby - The Game They Play In Heaven Disciplinary Panel

So thats what the R-TGTPIH Disciplinary Committee stands for. And here was I thinking you'd gone nuts.

I bet everyone on the panel has played l***** one time in their life.

quote: 1. We throw him in the nearest river. If he drowns, he's clearly not a heretic, and we will welcome him back to the fold with open arms. 2. If he floats, he's clearly made of wood, and therefore should be burned. 3. No action will be taken against me for plagiarism of a well-known film.

1 & 2 makes sense but I protest against 3.

The defense for NS:

1) Where l***** goes, union soon follows. Once a player masters l***** they want a new challange and thus go to a more challanging code - rugby union.

2) Going on the above point l***** is similiar except easier and less mentally taxing.

3) There has never been mention of union in PNG. Also, l***** is better than AFL. Lawn Bowls is better than AFL.

4) Im a cheappo so I cant afford Fox.

... or a good lawyer

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quote: This meeting of the Rugby - The Game They Play In Heaven Disciplinary Panel is adjourned to Havak's local and it's his shout!

Oh dear, I seem to have left my wallet at home.

quote: Mmmm. People have underestimated my persistency before

Did I forget to add “if the Wallabies win the tri nations” after ‘long forgotten’?

quote: Should I consider becoming a supporter? I mean, Derek Randall's eccentricity appealed to me

They are a team worthy of support I think. Generally a solid mid-table side like Reds or Waratahs who occasionally push the top boys. But with Smith at the helm who knows?

Randall by the way was Nottinghamshire rather than Northamptonshire but yes he was a sound laid back bloke. I guess I confused the issue with East Midlands but Northampton does consider itself an East Midlands town.

Support the Fez boys if you must but be warned it’s a rocky ride – persistant under-achievers.

Of course one team already flies your favourite colours…

	15-08-2002 17:48									#191
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And now for the Eyewitnesses:

quote: 1) Where l***** goes, union soon follows. Once a player masters l***** they want a new challange and thus go to a more challanging code - rugby union.

D - In support of point (1) the defense calls up PNG born Mekere Morauta before the R-TGTPIH Disciplinary Committee. Mr Morauta, do you swear by this copy of The Australian Rugby Companion: The Game They Play in Heaven Edited and Autographed by Gordon Bray to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God?

M - I do

D - Mr Morauta, do you play l******?

M - No. But I did once.

D - What do you now play?

M - Rugby Union.

D - Why is that so?

M - Because while l***** was a good game it soon became tiring and as such those of us with talent became involved in the more greater, more complex game of union.

D - Is this the trend in your nation?

M - Yes it is.

D - So thus was NS justified in saying it is good l***** is spreading?

M - Absolutely. Those of us new to the concept of footy usually lack the experiance to play union effectively from the onset and thus l***** provides a good go between.

D - And on that note, are the Wallabies the best team in the world?

M - They are heroes for our nation.

Thank you Mr Morauta. I rest my case.

	15-08-2002 18:05									#192
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Sorry, NeoStar, the Rugby - The Game They Play In Heaven Disciplinary Panel adjourned half an hour ago to Havak's local where Havak punched out an 80 year old pensioner for looking longingly at Havak's vacant chair** while he (Havak) was at the bar getting the next round.

In effect, it's too little too late. And, besides, Havak scoffs at Gordon Bray.

**You should hunt back through the OT archives for one of our very early rugby threads in which the original incident - which I have exaggerated only mildly in the re-telling - is explained.

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	15-08-2002 18:15									#193
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Sorry, NeoStar, the Rugby - The Game They Play In Heaven Disciplinary Panel adjourned half an hour ago to Havak's local where Havak punched out an 80 year old pensioner for looking longingly at Havak's vacant chair** while he (Havak) was at the bar getting the next round. In effect, it's too little too late. And, besides, Havak scoffs at Gordon Bray.

So what the hell is the sentance?

	15-08-2002 18:18									#194
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Oh dear, I seem to have left my wallet at home.

:massive guffaw:

quote: They are a team worthy of support I think. Generally a solid mid-table side like Reds or Waratahs who occasionally push the top boys. But with Smith at the helm who knows?

I've put them on my list of possibles.

quote: Randall by the way was Nottinghamshire rather than Northamptonshire but yes he was a sound laid back bloke. I guess I confused the issue with East Midlands but Northampton does consider itself an East Midlands town.

I always get Notts and Northants mixed up.

quote: Support the Fez boys if you must but be warned it’s a rocky ride – persistant under-achievers.

It's just the eccentricity that appeals to me. But I'm not sure it would be enough to sustain me.

quote: Of course one team already flies your favourite colours…

Sorry, had a speck in my eye, missed that para.

	15-08-2002 18:22									#195
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quote: Originally posted by NeoStar So what the hell is the sentance?

We're waiting for Havak to get back from the dunny - it was his shout again, y'see, and his bladder, strangely, seems to fail him around the time it's his shout - before we decide your sentence.

Oh, and don't hold your breath. Tamerlin's here, he knows how to knock the top off a bottle of Pernod, and, what's more, unlike Havak, his wallet isn't welded shut.

	15-08-2002 19:15									#196
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quote: Originally posted by NeoStar BTW - Caligastia, your signature may be good and profound, but I think I've beaten you there

I think not, it is you who is on "The Stand" now...

Tamerlin I would ask that poster "Boris Godunov" what he thinks, hes an opera singer, so Im sure he would be able to tell you which one Finbar was referring to.

quote: Originally posted by Finbar Jeepers! You're taking me back a few years with AC/DC and Rose Tattoo. I saw them both live playing in the local pubs when they were just starting out. I don't think I've ever heard anything as loud as Rose Tattoo playing live. I couldn't hear for a week afterwards

When it comes to rock concert sound, I prefer quality over quantity..

quote: Originally posted by Havak Did I forget to add “if the Wallabies win the tri nations” after ‘long forgotten’?

So what you are saying is that this penalty try will be brought up by aussie rugby fans every time the All Blacks 2002 Tri-nations victory is brought up?

BTW Havak, I will be getting some of those Tigers games on Fox when the season starts, so I guess I will support them in any games I see. When does the season start?


After this final Tri-nations match there seems to be a drought of international matches, or are there some coming up that are not on the rugbyheaven.com calendar? Arent NZ going to be touring Europe?

	15-08-2002 19:49									#197
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quote: It's just the eccentricity that appeals to me. But I'm not sure it would be enough to sustain me.

I seriously think you would find it very frustrating – just as Timmy Horan has. They produce the occasional awesome display, but not as often as the talent they possess should return for them. They continue to spend freely however, and now Pienaar has been booted out may finally get it together.

On a different note I would suggest the sentence of having to watch the inferior code for a straight 24 hours if I didn’t think Neostar would enjoy it!

quote: So what you are saying is that this penalty try will be brought up by aussie rugby fans every time the All Blacks 2002 Tri-nations victory is brought up?

I think you have understood me perfectly.

quote: When does the season start?

August 31st and the first televised game, on that very day, is Leeds versus Tigers

quote: Arent NZ going to be touring Europe?

Yes indeed – taking on England, France and Wales in November (the last game is a ‘warm-down’?).

The Australian tour takes on Argentina then heads north playing Ireland, England and Italy in November. The management are bringing handcuffs to stop players signing for UK clubs whilst here.

	15-08-2002 20:02									#198
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quote: Originally posted by Havak August 31st and the first televised game, on that very day, is Leeds versus Tigers

Cool! No doubt I will get a chance to see it on Fox. Do you have a link to a website that will give me an overview of all the teams involved and where they are from?

quote: Yes indeed – taking on England, France and Wales in November (the last game is a ‘warm-down’?). The Australian tour takes on Argentina then heads north playing Ireland, England and Italy in November. The management are bringing handcuffs to stop players signing for UK clubs whilst here.

So there are no internationals till November? How will the rugby thread survive?

	15-08-2002 20:19									#199
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Start here Caligastia

Premiership sides

The information is last seasons and slightly out of date - but it will give you the flavour of the sides involved.

There are no top four Internationals until November - there are other games each and every month.

I suspect Finbar is worried, with the English league about to start, that I might hold the thread to ransom with obscure references to English clubs and players?

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quote: Originally posted by Havak I suspect Finbar is worried, with the English league about to start, that I might hold the thread to ransom with obscure references to English clubs and players?

Thanks for the link. Hopefully I will have some idea of what youre talking about after seeing a couple of games.

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BTW, is Josh Kronfeld still playing for the Tigers?

	15-08-2002 20:31									#202
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Looking through that link you gave me, the Zurich Premiership seems to be like the British equivilent of the Super12. I remember you said there is no semi-final or final though. Its whoever finishes at the top of the table who wins in this case, right?

How are the points on the table calculated? How many points for a win etc...

	16-08-2002 03:32									#203
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Wallabies versus Springbok

History against it:
The Wallabies have only won once at high altitude Ellis Park, back in 1963. SA confidence is running high with their near defeat of the All Blacks and because of it the team is unchanged.

History for it:
The Wallabies have only really won once convincingly - 26-3 in Cape Town - on SA soil back in 1992, but note that was the Springbok's first year back in world rugby.

The Tri Nations cannot be won only by penalty kicks, 25 points are needed and its not like SA will go through the game scoreless. I'm betting on Gregan to play his natural aggressive game and the injection of Rogers into the 2nd half may come earlier than before. The line out will have to be spot on, because dominating possession will be everything and fortunately, the Aussie line out is showing good signs.

And for those of you thinking maybe this game means little for SA - they must win this to aviod their first Tri Nations whitewash. They're are not just tightening down in defense, Krige has to go for the win.

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SA have just as many reasons to play their best as the Wallabies. They certainly have a chance of victory IMO.

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Tamerlin I would ask that poster "Boris Godunov" what he thinks, hes an opera singer, so Im sure he would be able to tell you which one Finbar was referring to.

If Boris is an opera singer, he should know how to spell his surname! Moussorgsky spelled it Godounov. I did politely point that out to Boris in one of his threads and he accused me of spamming.

quote: When it comes to rock concert sound, I prefer quality over quantity..

Spoken like a true Split Enz fan.

quote: So what you are saying is that this penalty try will be brought up by aussie rugby fans every time the All Blacks 2002 Tri-nations victory is brought up?

Not at all. If the Wallabies miss out on the Tri-Nations this year, they have only themselves to blame for falling in a heap against the Boks (first time round) after building a great lead. The "penalty try", OTOH, will be remembered for what it was - a tubby, follically-challenged incompetent at the height of his inconsiderable powers.

quote: BTW Havak, I will be getting some of those Tigers games on Fox when the season starts, so I guess I will support them in any games I see. When does the season start?

FoxSports here seems only to show - at club level - some of the various Cup matches rather than the domestic comp. I must look into it.

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quote: Originally posted by Havak On a different note I would suggest the sentence of having to watch the inferior code for a straight 24 hours if I didn’t think Neostar would enjoy it!

Yeah, he's a sicko, all right. I was thinking a sentence of watching synchronised swimming (with the gels in neck-to-knees) for 24 hours straight might be more appropriate.

	16-08-2002 05:07									#207
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quote: Originally posted by Havak On a different note I would suggest the sentence of having to watch the inferior code for a straight 24 hours if I didn’t think Neostar would enjoy it!

quote: Originally posted by finbar Yeah, he's a sicko, all right. I was thinking a sentence of watching synchronised swimming (with the gels in neck-to-knees) for 24 hours straight might be more appropriate.

Laugh it up fellas, laugh it up

Anyone would go insane after 24 hours of l*****. I'm already going slightly mad watching it every other week (stop running into the defense again and again and do something creative!!! )

I'll afford Fox. One day

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Looking through that link you gave me, the Zurich Premiership seems to be like the British equivilent of the Super12.

*Havak's computer monitor blows a fuse*

Cal - I think their Zurich Premiership is exactly the same as your NPC in that it's entirely club-based and played in divisions. In fact, Havak was saying on one of our earlier threads that there had been moves to create a S12-style comp over there - creating "provincial teams" by taking geographically-linked club player rosters and combining them. It was a nonsensical idea that seems, hopefully, to have died a death. Why interfere with a perfectly sound system? The reason the S12 comp was created here was to: (a) promote the game; and (b) expose players outside the Test squads to (as it were) international competition. The (a) is less of a factor in England, and the (b) is already catered for with their various Cup comps where they're exposed to international (NH) club teams.

BTW, I notice that the NH -v- SH club championship challenge is back on the agenda. I can't imagine when they're going to schedule it with the ABs touring at the end of the year.

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quote: Originally posted by NeoStar Laugh it up fellas, laugh it up

Look on the bright side, NS, you've given us something with which to fill in the dull bit of the week - by which I mean, Sunday to Friday.

quote: Anyone would go insane after 24 hours of l*****. I'm already going slightly mad watching it every other week (stop running into the defense again and again and do something creative!!! )

Good grief, man, just stop watching it! Which state are you in? If you're in NSW, you can watch the Sydney club games on the ABC on Saturday arvo. They're good fun.

quote: I'll afford Fox. One day

It's only about $12 a week depending on which channels you want. You should be aware, though, that they do show a sh*tload of the L-word.

	16-08-2002 05:33									#210
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I've been doing some research on possible margins for tomorrow night with the various sports betting outfits. The Boks are getting the points start, but the margin varies from 4 1/2 to 12 1/2, with the majority at the lower end of the scale.