20-12-2003 22:47									#961
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The Minoan leader has had a long and friendly meeting with the Greek leader. They have finally decided to be allies.

(BTW could someone please tell me when is the next oedo year in this game?)

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	21-12-2003 00:04									#962
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette (BTW could someone please tell me when is the next oedo year in this game?)

No comprende compadre

	24-12-2003 09:55									#963
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I have isolated one of my hardware problems and now some websites (esp Apolyton) are accessible to me again. My old video card had failed and the new one is not as compatible with Win95 as claimed… that was the start of the problems.
Unfortunately, I still get random crashes from graphics, whatever browser I try.
Fortunately, extensive testing shows that Civ works fine!

	24-12-2003 10:09									#964
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PS: If I have calculated the Oedo (turn mod 4 = 3) cycle correctly you needed to revolt in turn 42 (3080?) to establish the new Monarchy in turn 43 (3070?).

That means you need to revolt in turn 46 (3040, if I've understood the scenario correctly with turn zero being 3500).

	24-12-2003 19:29									#965
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow Fortunately, extensive testing shows that Civ works fine!

and that pleases me mightily

(BTW your oedo calculations give the same result as mine, which means REVOLUTION in the Minoan islands next turn )

	24-12-2003 19:29									#966
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Civ2Admin says next oedo is on turn 48, i.e. 3040 B.C.
I always thought Oedo is
turn mod 4 = 0

	24-12-2003 19:33									#967
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker Civ2Admin says next oedo is on turn 48, i.e. 3040 B.C.

oh nooooooooo

	24-12-2003 19:39									#968
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SlowThinker
If 3500BC is turn 1, then 3100BC should be turn 41 and 3040BC would then be turn 47... please, help!

	24-12-2003 21:48									#969
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I would trust Civ2Admin. It reads internal values from the savefile.
BTW I loaded the SP file AE-3500B.scn: Civ2Admin says turn 2, year 3950 B.C.

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	25-12-2003 23:55									#970
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Confusion about the calendar arises from the invention of the "zero." Some people begin counting with this number which is not a number. Whichever number system is in use, this is the year which augurs well for the Lord of Distant Isles to end the old ways of rule.

The affliction of the gods encumbering the courts in Hattusas, and spread throughout the realm, has abated. Our punishment for adhering to the old ways of worship, through the Windows of Fivescore less Five, has fallen hard upon us and we have repented.

The King consults with his brothers, one who regards not the great god Sid and worships the Apple, and one who once worshipped but has gone to the mythical lands of Norrath. From their distant travels they have gathered wealth unknown to the King, and have bestowed a boon upon us.

Our workers are busy building roadways again. Various soldiers, horsemen, and charioteers continue their explorations of the lands about us.

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	26-12-2003 04:45									#971
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The Assyrian King offeres another dozen of sheep to the gods of Assyria and Hatte to show his gratitute towards them, now that the Hatte King has regained his strenghth and good health.

quote: Originally posted by La Fayette (BTW could someone please tell me when is the next oedo year in this game?)

Notoriously bad in crunching numbers (zero? what the * is the hatte King talking about, oh wise men of Assyria? A number which is not a number? Do the Hatte have knowledge of secrets oblivious to you, oh wise nobles? Or is the Hatte King still somewhat delusional after his long sickbed? Find out at once, oh ignorant ones!), King Mandaru can only remember his line of ancestory (sp?), dating back to the first year of King Yangi, his great-grandfather. Documents related to the crowning of this King carry the strange code bc3200, which meaning eludes us at the moment.

	26-12-2003 20:26									#972
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	26-12-2003 22:09									#973
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Bribing cities

From the start of this game, there was no special rule against city bribing, therefore it is fully allowed.
But I am afraid with city bribing the game would be a little crazy later (And Minoans would be quite defenceless). I know envoy's cost is increased to 50 gold, but I think this is not enough against city bribing.

So I want to propose
a) to forbid city bribing completely
or
b) to forbid city bribing directly from ships (there is some kind of defense if envoys must land first (although expensive), but it is almost impossible to hinder a ship to get to a city (especially in PBEM where you don't see enemy ships that go along your ships) )

Personally I prefer a)

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	27-12-2003 00:01									#974
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quote: Originally posted by germanos . Documents related to the crowning of this King carry the strange code bc3200, which meaning eludes us at the moment.

Unfortunately, I foresee that SlowThinker was right and I am going to wait 40 more years before being crowned (though I am so old already )

	27-12-2003 03:59									#975
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Yes, 'Poly was unresponsive in the hour after I posted, so I couldn't make my correction. Since it starts in turn 2 instead of turn 1 3050 was the revolt year.

	27-12-2003 04:51									#976
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker .......So I want to propose a) to forbid city bribing completely.....

Hmmm. It seems there's an Achilles Heel in the "small city size" strategy!

I haven't played enough PBEM to forecast the problems that may result from city bribing, but hopefully the high cost of diplomats (and absence of spies) will keep things under control. (Others are certainly welcome to weigh in on the discussion.)

	27-12-2003 15:53									#977
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quote: Originally posted by Kull but hopefully the high cost of diplomats (and absence of spies) will keep things under control.

I think the high diplo cost is irrelevant with bigger cities...

quote: It seems there's an Achilles Heel in the "small city size" strategy!

A 10-sized city distant from the capital costs 500 gold... That's not a very high price.

Another problem is diplomats may be hidden in ships. If a ship arrives to your city, you never know if it is full of caravans or full of spies.

	27-12-2003 19:40									#978
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King Mandaru's policy of specific tasks for each province reaches another milestone with the completion of a center for training of the Assyrian armies. The exact location of this center is a secret known to few, but once the armies that have been trained here will spread throughout the empire to guard its borders, many families will hear the stories of their sons about the magnificent city in the wet lands, fed by a clear river and boar to hunt i the forests nearby. A seizable town nearby, located near the swamps will provide for the food and resources needed to feed and equip the fine young Assyrian men, ready to serve their King and country.


We bring great news to our Hatte neighbours, as a group of slaves is readying themselves to march into Hatte lands in a decade or so.
Elsewhere, we face some trouble with Hittite scouts, as they now block the Moabites travel west. It seems this band Spearmen is cursed by the gods of the Salty Lake, for their journey home is filled with obstacels. We ask of the Hittites to do everything in their power to ensure this blockade by their Skirmishers is lifted immediately.


On the shores of Lake Van, settlers from Nineveh have build a settlement at the foot of the Stronghold of Van. The citadel is completely cut off, and the evil occupants confined to their fortress. In due time, well trained armies with seige-equipment will subdue the Barbarians, and claim the region for Assyria. For now, Assyria controls the countryside, and the golddeposits in the mountains will provide much work and wealth for those shepherds who have grown tired of the laborous travel to lands on the other side of the citadel.

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	27-12-2003 20:05									#979
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While for some scenario's city bribe is forbidden, others are especially designed to allow for it


City bribe is a pain in the butt, and cities are usually relatively cheap, especially if you have a large garrison in them. But obviously it cuts both ways, and IIRC, bribing your cities back is much cheaper


and I think their should be plenty ways to make city bribe a difficult operation to pull off.

In any case, their should be no special rule for coastal cities in my opinion. Minos may be difficult to defend against city-bribe, he has advantages in other fields. Anyway, history tells all of us that the world isn't fair to all its inhabitants .


in all, I'm pretty neutral on the issue, and if Kull had wanted city bribe to be banned, I suppose he would have made the diplomats so that they couldn't bribe cities in the first place.

I guess we will all have to fear the loyalty of our Dukes and Counts and Earls and whatother nobles we've got, who pay us tribute every year, but who reign in their own realms


NB: even in PBEM you can see units passing by yours Not as well as in SP or MP, but you're still not completely blind

	27-12-2003 21:17									#980
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The month-long festival of thanksgiving finally at an end, the now-rested-yet-completely-hungover Egyptian road crews prepare to depart the distant city of Petra. But before they go, the grateful men leave the hard scrabble desert farmers a wondrous gift - a large network of irrigation ditches.

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	27-12-2003 22:26									#981
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quote: NB: even in PBEM you can see units passing by yours Not as well as in SP or MP, but you're still not completely blind

Do you mean the 'sleep' mode?
BTW will a sleeping ground unit on a boat be awakened if a foreign boat goes along?

	28-12-2003 00:23									#982
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker Do you mean the 'sleep' mode? BTW will a sleeping ground unit on a boat be awakened if a foreign boat goes along?

Yes, I mean the Sentry/Sleep mode. And no, units on ships do not act as sentries, but the boat itself can.

	28-12-2003 01:45									#983
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Your Majesty Cyrus, don't forget to send a screen shot, sorry, a land shot, to Babylon, please.

	28-12-2003 19:28									#984
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My first hut in centuries!

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	29-12-2003 03:30									#985
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REVOLUTION !!!

In the year 3040 before the predicted birth of a mysterious new god, Greek disquieters made a surprize attack to their old despotic ruler, moving him to his new domicile .
Somehow gathering the enthusiasm of the pained folk, a new leader is pronounced, giving hope for the future.

Long live his majesty, king Agamemnon!


(that finally also answers the question to requested Oedo years...)

We, our majesty, are looking forward to keep on the peaceful neighborhood to our friendly neighbors, the Hittites, to which a kingly summoner was sent immediately near Tralleis, a new founded Hittite settlement.

Of course, we are also looking forward to continue the fruitful alliance with our good friends, the Minoans!

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	29-12-2003 03:38									#986
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After the trouble of revolution,
the new king of the Minoans needs some vacation...
I am away for two weeks till Monday, 12th January.
If the game should have circled around before that date, Someone (my ally La Fayette or Sparrowhawk) is welcomed to sub me (no big decisions to take, just walking around a bit to explorer new land).
Enjoy the game, and happy new year

	29-12-2003 15:16									#987
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Minos is probably the last despot on earth.
Sorry for that, because Minos is very fond of crowns.
And the people would enjoy having a feast.
Meanwhile... sailing and fishing as usual

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	30-12-2003 02:51									#988
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O King Mandaru, Our Skirmishers had stopped to rest in the desert oasis and intended no harm. They have removed themselves from the path of your Spearmen.

O King Ramesses, Our Charioteers have encountered a road, and believe they may have accidentally blocked the return of your workers from Petra. Hopefully they can busy themselves with preparations, and my Charioteers shall remove themselves immediately.

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	31-12-2003 22:47									#989
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	01-01-2004 20:21									#990
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(FYI: Slow Thinker sends me the saves by e-mail, so I won't be downloading the posted the saves here)

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King Mandaru has passed away in the 48th year of his reign. Luckily he has been blessed with the gift to see most of his initiated works completed: Ishkandaroun is now a well fortified city with walls that rival that of great Nineveh itself. The walls have been layed out in a large rectangle leaving plenty space for a selfsupporting community inside the fortifications in the case of an extended seige. Docks on the seaside provide some control over the sea to the west, and ships will be constructed to patrol the waters.

A funeral service has been held at the brand new Temple of Suri, before the balmed body of this great King was set aside his father and father's fathers in the Pyramids of Nineveh. Suri has been a center of religious studies for ages now, and the benevolence of the Gods has been honoured by the construction of the Great Temple. Many people and families have moved, and will continue to do so in even larger numbers, to this great city.


The last edict of the late King has been the order to bring a group of slaves, some 1000 healthy men and women and children strong and well trained for their labor in the fields, to the border with Hatta. They have been brought to the Seyhan river that marks the beginning of the Assyrian Empire. Soon they will set foot on the northern shores of the river, and by doing so, they will be not far from Hittite territory, as was agreed with the Hatte some 30 years ago. An envoy of the King encompanies the group, and when the Hatte will take the slaves to their lands, the prepared documents that will provide for a lasting and firm peace between Assyria and Hatta can be signed, and the Treaty sealed. The great King of Hatta is asked to make the necessary preparations for the transfer.

the group of slaves crossing the Assyrian river Seyhan

Imsu, son of Mandaru, has taken the crown of the Empire, and a village in the southern desert has payed a tribute of 100 gold to the new King and the Assyrian Empire.

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