09-11-2004 04:18									#1501
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La Fayette said he's out of town, away from computers for the week.

	09-11-2004 04:35									#1502
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Thanks

	09-11-2004 06:24									#1503
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thinking about hexedit:
germanos, how many cities? Anybody else? Kull, Peaster?

	09-11-2004 08:07									#1504
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I loaded the hittite save as a SP game, and nothing seemed out of place. The cities that were making farmers are still making farmers...

	09-11-2004 08:22									#1505
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No, it's the position of the "workers" on city tiles that gets changed when someone uses the F11 demographics.

	09-11-2004 09:32									#1506
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Oh. Well, I don't remember where the workers were, but I just checked that they are where I want them to be, so I don't think they were moved.

On my turn, I opened the egypt save and F11'd without making any moves. Then I quit and re-opened the egypt save and made my moves. This seemed consistent with what I read in the FAQ. I hope this didn't cause the problem.

	09-11-2004 09:56									#1507
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Egypt?
I assume you mean Persian correct?

	09-11-2004 10:43									#1508
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quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk Egypt? I assume you mean Persian correct?

Persia plays after Egypt, so logically he'd open the "Egypt Save".

	09-11-2004 11:05									#1509
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ah.......ok, got it!


* Sparrowhawk is not too swift

	09-11-2004 15:29									#1510
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quote: Originally posted by Peaster Oh. Well, I don't remember where the workers were, but I just checked that they are where I want them to be, so I don't think they were moved. On my turn, I opened the egypt save and F11'd without making any moves. Then I quit and re-opened the egypt save and made my moves. This seemed consistent with what I read in the FAQ. I hope this didn't cause the problem.

Below is a screenshot of what can happen to citizens when F11 is pressed.
I have allready PM La Fayette with the question on the cause of these malfunctions. IIRC it allready happened two times before with the minoan save, and both times it got fixed after he replayed (ST?).


ST: I have two cities that are affected.

	10-11-2004 10:26									#1511
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	10-11-2004 15:43									#1512
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I was wondering who send him in the first place

	10-11-2004 21:11									#1513
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Sorry, guys

I must be a somnambulist, and press F11 at night without waking up.
Anyway, I have just replayed.

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	10-11-2004 21:51									#1514
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all clear here

La Fayette, do you have any clue what might cause this?

	10-11-2004 22:05									#1515
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quote: Originally posted by germanos La Fayette, do you have any clue what might cause this?

Not the slightest idea.
I would swear I didn't press F11

	10-11-2004 22:24									#1516
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Yes, you have said that several times, and I have no reason not to beleive you.

The fact remains that several times your save has proven to be a problem, and that in all cases replaying solved it. There must be something you do that makes it happen

	10-11-2004 23:53									#1517
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Could there be something else in addition to F11 that causes the same problem??

I know this used to be a major problem in our PBEM Game (of which both La Fayette and Kengel are part of) and it hasn't been mentioned in a long time (since we found the F11 bug).

Is there something unique to this scenario perhaps? Or for those of you involved in others PBEM's, has there been any other complaints of this problem since F11 was found?

* Sparrowhawk

	11-11-2004 00:04									#1518
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quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk Could there be something else in addition to F11 that causes the same problem?? I know this used to be a major problem in our PBEM Game (of which both La Fayette and Kengel are part of) and it hasn't been mentioned in a long time (since we found the F11 bug). Is there something unique to this scenario perhaps? Or for those of you involved in others PBEM's, has there been any other complaints of this problem since F11 was found? * Sparrowhawk

That is what I try to figure out

I have had this problem in other PBEM's (pre-'F11') so I'm sure the bug is not related to this specific scenario.

I guess any action that needs comparison between civ's might cause this problem, so perhaps also the 'top 5 cities screen' and/or other features of the game.
Perhaps this is superfluous (sp?) but it's the demographics that are the problem, accessed by either F11 OR the pulldown-menu order.

I have been thinking it was related to the turn-cycle (with Minoans being last) but since it gets fixed with a replay, that cannot be the issue.

	11-11-2004 00:26									#1519
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Of course, I could play each turn twice in a row

(but I would rather try to help analyze what's happening)

	11-11-2004 00:39									#1520
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My position is correct with the new minoan save.

When I tested F11 I tried all Fx keys and all seemed not to cause any disorder, but there may be something else that triggers workers to be replaced.

	11-11-2004 04:34									#1521
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Supply and Demand within the Trade Window?

	11-11-2004 05:04									#1522
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If LF replays he plays fast and omits something...

	11-11-2004 05:06									#1523
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I sure hope not

But, certainly possible.

La Fayette, if you are in the position to do this (given Straybow's remark just earlier), would you be so kind as to check supply and demand FROM THE SAVE YOU JUST POSTED, and then put it up again?

	11-11-2004 05:07									#1524
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Or perhaps Sparrowhawk can do the honour .

	11-11-2004 05:11									#1525
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I happily would, I am just not clear on what you want me to do......

Load the Minoan save, check supply and demand, save and post the save again (without doing anything else)?

	11-11-2004 05:12									#1526
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exactly

	11-11-2004 05:17									#1527
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Done!

Hopefully someone can tell me if it made any difference

* Sparrowhawk

Edit: No one is trading in Slaves at this time. I found this quite funny I checked about 6 different things, I hadn't really noticed what else was available to Trade.

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	11-11-2004 05:24									#1528
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Well, everything is still as it should be.

Dunno if I'm happy or sad

	11-11-2004 05:33									#1529
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quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk Could there be something else in addition to F11 that causes the same problem??

Perhaps it's when his secretary does this:

	11-11-2004 05:46									#1530
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Or when he does this

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