24-01-2003 23:41									#241
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in the second world war several 10 million people died. there were "just" 2'600 in the WTC. so if you "tribute" those, it's a bit out of proportion.

	25-01-2003 01:10									#242
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And they just started building the WWII memorial in the Mall two years ago (in 2001)...

	25-01-2003 02:33									#243
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quote: Originally posted by trevor Cool, can't wait until the scenario is downloadable. How did you do on your exams?

I managed to escape with an A or A+ in everything except math, in which I got an A-.

	25-01-2003 15:38									#244
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Sorry Yahweh Sabaoth , where's the needle (A or B Tower?) and i create him for you.
It was a Idea for the Modern World and still one Why???? Chirac as leader of Europe ???? Why??? You could take Kofi Anan or the leader of the European Union (EU). France is't an industrial giant.
Or take Gerhard Schröder. I don't know why, i live in Germany and is it a wounderful Bundesrepublik and you see nothing from France or Chirac. But this is only my opinion.

	25-01-2003 15:44									#245
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And the towers are arranged differently, too. Further apart.

	25-01-2003 17:37									#246
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Hey i ripped this from Simcity 3000 and thera are the worldtradecenter looking ow in my picture. I'am a German and i never have seen the orginal. Sorry when could it better than create this!!!!!!!!!

	25-01-2003 18:35									#247
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d.p.

	25-01-2003 18:40									#248
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Sabrewolf ich denke du kannst deutsch ich frage dich mal wieso du den Beitrag von vorhin weggenommen hast und ein d.p. hingesetzt hast ? it's to heavy for to write this on english.

	25-01-2003 18:49									#249
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writing in foreign languages in general threads is forbidden at 'poly, but i'll write it in both languages

d.p. = double post = doppelt abgeschickt.

check out the previous page; schau dir doch die vorherige seite an. d.p. war meine 2. meldung, die erste ist auf der vorherigen seite.

	25-01-2003 18:54									#250
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oh sorry i didn't know . It wundered me. Because you tribute to WW2 i knows many people died but how Germans speaking people died and nobody id interreted on this fact they think : We are the winners , let the losers died and think to our Future: This isn' rasistic means but something must say or what's your opinion?

	25-01-2003 22:10									#251
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Well, you can get pictures of the WTC almost anywhere on the 'Net, that's all I'm saying.

	26-01-2003 00:48									#252
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Samiel, is this question meant for me? If in fact it was, I wasn't making a statement about WWII. Nor was it a statment about how German and Russian deaths were much higher than other countries. It was a comparison about how the memorial for the war took 56 years to begin construction while the 9/11 memorial seems to be going much quicker.

Nice, grades there JW. A's are so much better when in Hon. or AP.

	26-01-2003 01:24									#253
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All my classes are honors except science and history, where honors courses aren't an option for my grade. :dork:

Roman, do you happen have one of your listings for main battle tanks?

	26-01-2003 04:49									#254
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quote: Samiel, is this question meant for me? If in fact it was, I wasn't making a statement about WWII. Nor was it a statment about how German and Russian deaths were much higher than other countries. It was a comparison about how the memorial for the war took 56 years to begin construction while the 9/11 memorial seems to be going much quicker

I know this i live in a land that have today problems how 60 years ago.I live in the Area of East Germany and i see the predujis(or so) EVERY Day, than that you cannot know West Germany laughing over us, we have high rate of Workness in my land. This mean i too. But you can't build this in Civ then in civ weren' in a second Worldwar. You can't build this. Okay you try to build a modern world but you must think about the fact that you could try create a better world without Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Franko, and many more. If you've lost the WW2 the you would say the same(maby on German). But I love my land! And you love yours, too.I hope you can understand me. Peace for all people they died in every War in the whole story of the world, This can be a tribut. Never War on and because my land Deutschland.

	26-01-2003 05:04									#255
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Well, the WTC disaster took more AMerican lives at once than almost any battle.

	26-01-2003 06:12									#256
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Wrong. The Battle of Anteitam in the Civil War took more American lives than any battle in American history. More American lives were lost in individual battles in the Civil War than in any time in American history.

But then it really shouldn't take a body count to cause a government to build a monument. That would be disrespectful to the dead.

	26-01-2003 07:06									#257
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In regards to my post regarding Chinese expansionism, I'm just going with what makes sense to me. I mean, eventually nukes might be rendered obsolete, and then full-scale ground war and such would be possible again without having to worry about somebody blowing your cities all to hell.
I mean, pretty much every kind of weapon we - and by "we" I mean humanity in general - have ever created has become completely obsolete and outdated at one time or another. In certain fields, new discoveries are made weekly, and some even faster.
In our fast-paced world, one of these days someone is going to find something that could utterly replace nuclear weapons. Either it would be a weapon designed to destroy nukes or render them harmless (think the Nanite Defuser in CTP and CTP2) or something that could do the job without all the radioactive fallout. The former, I believe, is more likely.
We've made better and better means to counteract bio-weapons and gas weapons. It makes sense to me that we could someday outdate nukes.
Keep in mind that this is just my opinion. And I hope dearly that someday we won't have to worry about nuclear weapons, but then I realize that we're bound to find something much worse.

	26-01-2003 07:12									#258
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There are EMP (electromagnetic pulse) weapons in the works. They are non-lethal, but have the ability to disable or severely damage every machine with electronic and computer components.

	26-01-2003 10:36									#259
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Exactly. Just like a nuke, but minus all that death and destruction. So instead of Hiroshima you get the eighteenth century.

	26-01-2003 10:45									#260
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Where have I heard that quote before? Have you seen "Ocean's Eleven"?

	26-01-2003 11:15									#261
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I wrote that and didn't remember where I got it from until afterwards. It's one of my favorite movies.

	26-01-2003 23:26									#262
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Samiel, I'm not trying to be insulting, but could you please put what you type through a translator. I'll do the same, because I think we have a communication problem.

In addition to EMP weapons being tested; there are also planes with lasers, that can shoot down missiles, going into service within the next few years.

	26-01-2003 23:53									#263
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trevor i can't use the translator! It wants a new register from me.
I think this little communication problem can we handle. Read english isn't hard for me, but selve writing is hard for me, I will still learn.

Write I really so wrong for you?

What is with biologic weapons how Lebra-rocket or pocken-rocket? Like Bin Ladens terror weapons.

	27-01-2003 00:30									#264
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Like I said, people always have the tendency to come up with something worse.

	27-01-2003 21:26									#265
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There are already missiles that destroy organic matter but not inorganic matter... how much weirder to weapons need to get?

And, hey, maybe "Star Wars" will work someday!

But of course, someone's going to have to FIRE A MISSILE to test it out...

I don't know that much about the laser-planes... will they be tested in "the gulf"? I've heard abotu them from a military wacko friend of mine.

	27-01-2003 22:10									#266
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laser weapons have been and are beeing tested by military. with present day computers lasers can actually lock onto a fast moving object (missile, plane) in just a few miliseconds and fire a pulse.
the problem is to create a laser pulse which is strong enough to penetrate the metal and ignite the fuel tank or the explosive in the missile.
presently it's not possible to have a generator that can collect and release that much energy in one blow. the machine would overheat before the light is bright enough to scratch the metal.

another problem: the hole in the steel must be big enough, because a microscopic one wouldn't be enough to let the fuel ignite.

also, when trying to destroy a nuclear or chemical warhead, you don't want the thing to detonate (nuclear) or release (chemical). the chemicals should either be completely disintegrated or the container should land safely.

maybe my information is outdated. i made a presentation about this a few years ago. so if any quantum phyician or army researcher knows anything else...

	28-01-2003 02:06									#267
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How about a paranoia-weapon, like that one Mr. Bush has been exposed of? After being attacked with it, you lose all human IQ and randomly attacks (or wants to attack...) everyone you see! Yeah, that's it!

But you shouldn't use it on someone able to build the Manhattan excluding project, which prevents any other player from using (or even possessing) mass-destruction weapons!!

	28-01-2003 02:15									#268
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Well, perhaps someday the Missile Defense System could be modified to deal with meteorites?

	30-01-2003 23:47									#269
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What is the current lineup of civs for this scenario?

	31-01-2003 03:09									#270
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Regular 100x100:
EU
US
England
Arabs
Middle Saharans
South Africans
Persian states
India
Southeast Asia
China
Russia
Japan
Mexico
Andeans
MercoSur

In PTW version Iran and Pakistan will be separated, and South America might be further split up.