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adaMada
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"The Iron" Stadium, Ubergorsk, Apolytonia (C3DG)
Mar 2000
time: 00:24
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Reply from Panzer:
I await instructions as to how I should proceed. I honestly don't know how big the land really is -- can't get a good a feel for that from screenshots  -- and it sounds like they at least took it well.
-- adaMada
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Dear Panzer,
You are encroaching on Roleplay's territory. We value you as a friend, but do not want you neer to us. Would you like to trade maps later?
Best wishes from Iberia,
adaMada
Togas’ Ambassador to Glory of War
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adaMada:
I thank you for warning us we were getting close to your lands. I am glad we did not just stumble upon Madrid and you thought we were going to take it. We have a nonagression pact, remember?
I hope you will allow us to either stay where they are or move back for the time being. As much as I hope we can resolve this soon, I realise it might take one or two turns to sort it out. Our team is currently discussing one or two agreements that I hope would be satisfactory to both teams.
One question I ask of the Roleplay team, is approximatly how big is this territory you have set aside for yourselves? The Glory of War understands that you want room to expand, but does not think teams should claim territory unnecisarily. How many resources does this territory have in it? I think these questions are fair, and if the Glory of War had any such territorial claims, we would be happy to answer them.
Thank you for your time;
Panzer32,
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War
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Togas
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California
Jun 2002
time: 21:24
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On the Lux Trade deal I banged out with BFM over lunch...
Togas (Espana) and BigFurryMonster (Lux Invicta) agreed on the following deals:
* The Alliance, as written down by jdjdjd (see below), was agreed upon. Special attention was paid to the fact that both parties will keep it secret from other Civs.
True.
* We will trade Horseback Riding (from LI) for Writing (from RP). This will be done as soon as RP has obtained Writing, which will be in about 12 turns from now.
This was not a promise but I told him it sounded like a good idea.
* LI will research Mysticism; RP will research another tech (possibly MapMaking) for those to be traded.
This is NOT TRUE. I told him we'd research Mapmaking, he said they'd research Mysticism. He proposed a trade when we got them I told him we'd have to see, it depended on what other trades were going on. This aspect is not official (for obvious reasons. Eventually we're going to have to tell them we got Mysticism, but I don't want to tell them until AFTER we buy Iron Working).
* We will always try to research different techs.
True. I capitalized TRY. It may not always be in our best interest, but we'll try to do our best.
* We will not scout each other's territories (as agreed by Trip and Togas earlier).
Agreed.
jdjdjd Get back to BFM on this. Say you spoke with me and verified what I verified, and inform him politely of the differences, and toss in some good friendly language, etc etc.
--Togas
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Togas
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California
Jun 2002
time: 21:24
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quote:
I hope you will allow us to either stay where they are or move back for the time being. As much as I hope we can resolve this soon, I realise it might take one or two turns to sort it out. Our team is currently discussing one or two agreements that I hope would be satisfactory to both teams. |
They're stalling, but that's OK. They won't discover anything important in a turn or two. In fact they'll see what I WANT them to see ... all those large, unfriendly, unsettleable mountains.
We should diplomatically and patiently try to work this out while they creep around and get the idea that we really don't have any good land ... and hopefully leave before they get through those nasty mountains.
adaMada please engage them in a peaceful dialogue and ask them nicely again to not wander around in El Valley De Los Torros. Tell them that we found this valley several thousand years ago, have one city here already and are building our next settler group. Make some noise about how there is little decent land near Madrid, and we have chosen to make this valley our home, and we feel very uneasy about them wandering about in our home. Ask them WHY they would be wandering about? Are they trying to discover the best way to attack us? Why would they want to, we are their friends! Are they trying to search for huts? We have already found all of the huts in this region. If they wants maps we can peacefully trade maps with them. We feel they are being agressive and disrespectful of our wishes and of Togas's wishes. Why would they treat us so?
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One question I ask of the Roleplay team, is approximatly how big is this territory you have set aside for yourselves? The Glory of War understands that you want room to expand, but does not think teams should claim territory unnecisarily. How many resources does this territory have in it? I think these questions are fair, and if the Glory of War had any such territorial claims, we would be happy to answer them. |
Tell them that El Valle De Los Torros has a jungle to the north and is surrounded on two sides by mountains, on the west by the sea. It is sizeable ... can hold about 4 cities, has cattle and horses and dyes. It is 7 spaces wide, and 4 spaces deep, at its widest points. It is THE HEARTLAND of Spain, has the most Spanish people living in it, along with most of our army and all of our worker force. Within 20 turns we will have 2 more cities built within it. Within 30 turns it will be fully settled.
It is not merely some land that we might want to expand into, it is a place we have settled and are currently still settling.. It is not much, but it is our homeland, and we will do whatever is necessary to protect it.
Furthermore, we respect your land and your borders. We would not walk around your lands and we could have easily done so. Will you not show us the same respect?
.... Write something along these lines.
--Togas
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dejon
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It might also be wise to tell ND that we have already located all the huts in our land.
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OliverFA
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Leeds, UK
Sep 2002
time: 06:24
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Originally posted by DAVOUT
With our wide expanse of land to protect, horseback riding must be obtained as soon as possible. Nevertheless the parity should be checked. |
Plus it is on the way to Monarchy, and will help us getting a better image with LI.
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Togas
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California
Jun 2002
time: 21:24
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Had a "not so fruitful" discussion with Ghengis Farb today during my lunch break at work. Only talked about 10 minutes or so before he had to go.
He claims that Aro wants a map of the continent and they are merely following through with that request, but then argued with me, saying there was nothing wrong with scouting as long as they didn't go in our cultural territory, and that they wanted to know where the resources and luxuries were.
He later said he didn't care about knowing where the cities and roads where (if we traded maps) he wants Geography and Resources.
I tried to explain how nervous it makes us to have them know where our resources are ... as the only good it will do is to help someone attack us better. I also stressed to him that we'd made agreements with other nations (Lux) that we wouldn't scout them ... we aren't scouting him. How would he feel if we were?
He believes that we're "hiding something", that we're trying to keep the northern nations out, and says that ND and Lux are sending settlers south "as we speak." I asked him if he wanted to settle down here but he said no. It would be pointless for them to do so.
He pressed me about the Horse Riding for Writing trade. I told him I was uncomfortable trading with him as long as his warriors were in our territory. He *****ed that he "knew we'd back out" and went on about how dishonorable we are. I told him that we'd rather resolve this peacefully, and that a trade boycott was the best peaceful way I could come up with to try to get them to leave us alone.
Nothing else was settled, and the discussion didn't get much further.
Ghengis was not very helpful and I wonder if another person would have better success with him. I seems to me that every time we chat there's an unspoken power game afoot. He may be somewhat intimidated or trying to intimidate me. He might be better served talking to someone who can properly "speak up" to his ego. I urgently request that adaMada do everything in his power to chat with GoW about this issue and try to work out a resolution.
Keep the peace. It's not important that it be soon, but I have three goals:
1) Peace with GoW
2) We tech trade Horseback Riding with Lux, and we use this as a legit excuse to NOT trade with GoW somehow. However, this must be done very delicately, I need GoW to accept that "their actions caused us to trade with someone else" and not to blame us for it.
3) To keep them from finding out about the ivory and spices in the south.
--Togas
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Ninot
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Centre Bell
Nov 2001
time: 00:24
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I saw this coming
GoW are gonna take a bully position. They dont need resources they wont settle now, but they want to know where to direct their first attack.
They don't want the cake, but they sure want to eat it.
as for Ghengis. IMNSHO, he makes for a perfect bully diplomat. He forces his opinion on others, and if they still disagree, he'll try to make'm look dumb. Their forcing their explorer down our throat, and throwing blame at us for gagging. IMO, we can't give ground. If we do, it shows we're wrong somehow, or we were. If they'r saying we're being dishonest now, what will they say if we give them something for what they are doing, and this happens again? Cowards, they'll call us.
Honestly, id opt for a fight with GOW over the bad press and THEN a fight down the road.
We just have to push our position that we can't let them have info they'd only need for military purpose.
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