13-02-2003 04:40									#331
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Jusr received from GS. The two techs were supposed to be offered last turn as well by the way. I have responded and said OK, we are on side. It means shutting down research for a couple more turns. That will allow us to go to a higher research rate when we start, but it still hurts.

Here's the note:

Plan for Republic
Greetings BetaHound, Jon, and People of Vox Controli,

My apologies for not getting back in touch about question of what directions our research should take more quickly. The main reason plotting a research course is proving to be complicated is the question of how trades with other civs will fit into the picture. We definitely want to get Republic quickly, but we also want Literature so libraries can help speed our research along the way. After some discussion with RolePlay, it looks like there is a good possibility of a trade to them for Literature if we get Code of Laws, so it seems worthwhile to proceed with our original plan (assuming you're willing). Specifically, if you would research Philosophy while we research Code of Laws, that would set things up for us to then go full speed for Republic (freeing us both from the pain of Despotism as quickly as possible).

We regret the inconvenience that holding up your research until we can provide you with Writing (which we should have in two more turns) will cause, but assuming the Literature deal goes through (RP won't give a firm commitment in advance), the gold surplus you build up along the way could be spent fairly quickly on library maintenance. And in any case, the benefits of Republic should be well worth the inconvenience.

By the way, was your not offering the two techs again this turn deliberate, or did you not realize you would need to make the offer again to keep it open? We hope our wanting to formalize the trading partnership agreement is not causing you too much concern.

Sincerely,

The People of Gathering Storm
Nathan Barclay, Chief Economist

	13-02-2003 05:00									#332
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which two techs were we supposed to offer?

remind me again and I will offer them up.

	13-02-2003 05:37									#333
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warrior code and mysticism.

Also - Ghengis offered up math for mysticism in an earlier proposal - which if they want to fine. I think we still owe them 15 gold as well. Let me revist things here for a bit.

If you want - I can play the turn tonight Diss. Your call. We are up next. It went to RP about an hour ago.

	13-02-2003 05:51									#334
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yeah go ahead and play the turn. keep us up to date on any new deals.

	13-02-2003 05:57									#335
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btw in a PM with gheghisfarb they state they are researching map making. They asked what we were researching. I just said we are in between researches right now.

	13-02-2003 09:06									#336
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As per the discussion in moves - here is the letter to GF.

Hi Ghengis.

Trust all is well. Lux's apologies for the confusion over the recent trades. I have gone back and revisited them, and I noticed we still owed you 15 gold. I put that on the table. Also - you had mentioned mysticism for mathematics, which works for us as well. I put Mysticism on the table as well. If you put math and accept, we can conclude the deal on our turn. That deal will be for the contact - Neu D and GS, the two techs, and 15 gold from us to you. This has been quite the flurry of activity; and again, our apologies for the delay in getting our act together. We also honored the other part of the three way deal and provided the GS contact to RP as discussed. GS has been informed of the arrangements and is looking forward to expanding their contact and markets.

Cheers! ... Beta

	13-02-2003 09:12									#337
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And this sent to Nuclear Winter: (RolePlay)

NW - my apologies for not getting back to you sooner. I'm glad to hear you are well. Squid hunting is dangerous business.

Speaking of buisness, we have much to discuss, I agree. But for now - as it is late - a quick note to inform you we have approved the contact for RP with Gathering Storm, our great neighbours to the south. You will see that when the save arrives. This was our end of the three way bargain reached between Glory of War, Vox, and RP.

It has been a pleasure, and we look forward to expanded business arrangements.

Regards ..... Beta.

	13-02-2003 09:24									#338
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And this to GS - and guess what Diss - I forgot the two techs as well. Sorry.

nathan - I just played the turn and I forgot to send them as well. Not playing dumb here guys - it is late for me, and there was stuff going on with the other teams. We will send next turn. Sorry. But the save has gone to Lux already.

Anyways - we agree to the conditions below.

Also- you should be aware that you now have contact with RolePlay. That WAS approved this turn. Also - you should have contact with GoW next turn - we are concluding a larger deal with them. Lux also wants contact, but neither of us have writing yet. I will see what I can get from the when I do. They were offering math which they say will be finished in a 'few' turns.

And incidentally, Lux is having diffciulties with Neu D. Also, we should be getting contact with Neu D as part of the larger GoW deal. Will keep you posted.

And oh yes - we have kept research on hold - stockpiling gold for research on philosophy or code of laws.

And - one warrior is heading back down the road. As our northern cities grow, we weren't certain about the difficulty level and disorder and wanted him on stand-by in case we were surprised. It is clear that the diffciulty bug has defaulted us down to an easier level.

That's it. Sorry again about the techs. You could say it is a conspiracy. Last night it was Dissident. Tonight it was me.

Anyways - cheers - good night. .... Beta.

	14-02-2003 00:46									#339
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So I "accidently" wandered to a channel named "darekill" on IRC...

The people there were :
arne Borc Zayxus helios Togas_at_work darekill

It took them a few moments to realize i'm not authorized to be there and ask me to leave. I complied, but brought back one chat line from the negotiations. Do whatever you want with it.

Unforunately I didnt remember who wrote it, so I dont know what team he belongs to.

quote: Of course but the better part of the deal is by you, you dan't need to go to war.

	14-02-2003 01:15									#340
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I wish you hadn't forgot to put up the techs. We are trying to mend relations with them. Oh well.

Maybe I'll create a thread title. Put up the 2 techs for GS next turn

	14-02-2003 03:57									#341
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Maybe we will need something like that. However, I have chatted with nathan by pm and he is OK about it. I think they are to the point now where they realize it was an honest mistake on our part - albeit over two turns.

	14-02-2003 03:59									#342
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it makes us look a lot more goofy

which of course amkes our excuses for the past better

Jon Miller

	14-02-2003 04:02									#343
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Eli - nice grab!! It would appear that there are tensions between RP and Neu D. I get the feeling that the big continent is not a place of warmth and love.

Anyways - got this back in response from RP. Seems we are getting a solid reputation. Not sure what GoW thinks of us - no word back yet from Ghengis. Maybe we will see when the save gets here.


RE: Re: Diplomatic contact, and the meeting fo the tribes
MY good old chap Beta,
Thanks for the deal. It is good to see we can actually trust a team of this game when it comes to deals .
Again, I would like that your team put something over the deal table, so that we can put an offer.
Also, we are eager to discuss the non-agression deal.
See you later my friend,
Senõr Nuclearis Winterius the second

quote:


NW - my apologies for not getting back to you sooner. I'm glad to hear you are well. Squid hunting is dangerous business.

Speaking of buisness, we have much to discuss, I agree. But for now - as it is late - a quick note to inform you we have approved the contact for RP with Gathering Storm, our great neighbours to the south. You will see that when the save arrives. This was our end of the three way bargain reached between Glory of War, Vox, and RP.

It has been a pleasure, and we look forward to expanded business arrangements.

Regards ..... Beta.

	14-02-2003 04:48									#344
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Picked this up in an intersite game discussion on city placement. It was all about whether you build close, or go for border expansion and take a risk. Looks like Lux got burned. Posted by Donegeal.

"Screw what I said before about setting our border and backfilling.
ICS is the only way to go as evidenced by the PTW Team game.
Lux overextended its "claim" and is now in quiet the pickle"

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	14-02-2003 05:26									#345
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller it makes us look a lot more goofy which of course amkes our excuses for the past better Jon Miller

Yes - I agree.

Despite it being un-intentional on both Diss' part and mine, there is some value to it. Wouldn't want to go a third turn though. But in the big scheme of things, they are not waiting on anything because of it. But it is a very solid indication of our good faith.

	14-02-2003 08:31									#346
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Received this from nathan.

"RE: Re: Re: Tech Exchange
Based on your estimate in an earlier message of 20 turns for Mathematics, Gathering Storm is clearly the nation with faster research. Indeed, my bet is that we can have Code of Laws ready by the time you finish Philosophy."

My response was 'Race ya!'.

So, we start Philososphy when we get writing.

	14-02-2003 23:22									#347
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looks good.

So is Lux in war status with New Demo? I think what happened was they lost a settler. I think I heard that somewhere. But that would put them in war status.

	15-02-2003 05:01									#348
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Yup - the foreign office thread that Neu D started has a bit of emotion it it. Lux and Neu D look like they may be going at it soon.

This may work in our favour - or against it. If Lux is the next nation to us on the neighbouring continent, which is what we suspect, then the more they are 'engaged' with their neighbours, the less chance they will have of Rexing to the point of land we can see. And the more open land that should be there when we get across.

On the other hand - if they get boxed in by their neighbours - which would appear to be the case from the little snippet of a screen shot that ws posted in that thread - it may actually force them to expand our way.

Guess we will soon see.

	15-02-2003 05:20									#349
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I sent a reminder note to Picahulu. I would like to get contact going with Neu D.

Greetings again from Vox Controli
Dear Picahulu.

Greetings! How are things? I see from the foreign office thread that tensions between you and Lux are running high. We wish you all the best with what must be difficult times. I had sent the attached note earlier, and it looks like one way or the other we will soon have contact with you. We would like to start discussions on some of the points I raised - namely tech research and trade arrangements, and long-term friendship.

If you can spare some time from the other issues facing you, we would like to hear from you.

All the best.... and cheers .... Beta.

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	15-02-2003 13:39									#350
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I say we head towards map making after philosophy

Lux may be busy with defense to expand. although one of the other nations might expand into there. It depends on the layout.

	15-02-2003 19:09									#351
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I was thinking map making may be available for trading by the time we get through philosophy. Map making is twice the beaker cost, but someone may have started on it already.

But if not - yes. It would be a good next step.

I'm finding that the trading and research environment is so dynamic that it is difficult to plan too far ahead.

	15-02-2003 21:14									#352
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Received from GhengisFarb in response to my proposal. So - do we go with this??? I see no reason not to.

Re: Trade
We will not have Mathematics for a few more turns but agree to trade Math for Myst on that turn.

I went ahead and agreed to the other part of the deal and Math should take no longer than two turns.
quote:

BetaHound wrote on 12-02-2003 22:05:
Hi Ghengis.

Trust all is well. Lux's apologies for the confusion over the recent trades. I have gone back and revisited them, and I noticed we still owed you 15 gold. I put that on the table. Also - you had mentioned mysticism for mathematics, which works for us as well. I put Mysticism on the table as well. If you put math and accept, we can conclude the deal on our turn. That deal will be for the contact - Neu D and GS, the two techs, and 15 gold from us to you. This has been quite the flurry of activity; and again, our apologies for the delay in getting our act together. We also honored the other part of the three way deal and provided the GS contact to RP as discussed. GS has been informed of the arrangements and is looking forward to expanding their contact and markets.

Cheers! ... Beta

	15-02-2003 21:57									#353
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Sounds OK to me.

	15-02-2003 23:03									#354
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sounds great. might as well get some more bang for mysticism.

	15-02-2003 23:45									#355
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yes - that was a good tech - all things considered. And now that I think of it - it should be - it was the only one we researched from start to finish.

we are doing OK in the tech race for only having researched one tech.

	16-02-2003 00:11									#356
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Speaking of Foreign Affairs - have you visited Neu D's foreign affairs thread and their office - at this e-mail address. Has some interesting history, and screen shots.

http://cylusion.com/neudemogyptica/

If this link doesn't work, use the one in the first post of the thread in the public forum.

	16-02-2003 03:00									#357
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sent to nbarclay of GS after the turn

Hi nathan. The two techs should be there now. We even had a separate thread reminding Dissident and myself. We bumped it to keep it near the top.

I see that you have finished writing. As you had not accepted the deal to send it to us on its own (didn't believe our fumbling was for real???) we could not start philosophy this turn. Will let you know the research time when we do next turn. Can you let us know the time for Code of Laws please.

Concluded the deal with GoW. Sort of. We now have contact with Neu D, and can pass this on - if you do not already have it courtesy of RP. We have passed mysticism to GoW. They will complete mathematics and will pass it to us in two turns time. As mentioned previously - this deal also cost us 15 gold. But split between us that is a dirt-cheap price for math.

Also as mentioned earlier, one warrior is heading back down the road as we are now sure we don't need him for population control duties up north. Our other warrior is moving back to his mountain look-out spot.

Looks like Lux has themselves in a pit of a pickle.

Anyways - trust all is well with the GS folks. Please keep us posted on events, and we will do likewise.

Cheers ... BetaHound.

	16-02-2003 03:49									#358
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And the letter to borc of Neu D.

Guten tag, borc. BetaHound here from Vox Controli - the land across the sea. I trust you do not mind me writing you directly, but I have recently sent two letters to Picahulu with no response. He may be busy with RL, or busy with other foreign affairs matters given your tensions with Lux.

If you would like me to forward my previous letters to you, please let me know. They describe our geo-political situation in some detail

As you will see when you play the turn, we now have formal communications with the fine nation of Neu Demogyptica. As an introduction, I have offered Mysticism as a trade. I am curious if you have other technology you may want to offer in return. We are fairly well advanced ourselves, but are always open to creative offers. If you do not have technology to exchange, we are more than willing to offer Mysticism to you for a nominal amount of cash and future considerations. This will be our commitment to future friendship between our two fine nations.

Please let me know about the trade via PM. It is a much more efficient way of finalizing deals. Also let me knowif you have received my other letters. And we wish you all the best in your struggles with Lux.

Sincerest regards .....BetaHound, VFA, Vox Controli

	16-02-2003 04:06									#359
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And to GhengisFarb

Ghengis - this is acceptable to us. I have just played the turn and accepted contact with Neu D, for contact with GS, Mysticism, and 15 gold. You agree to send us mathematics in two turns when completed.

Thank-you for this deal. I am certain it will benefit both our fine nations. Please stay in touch regarding other potential deals. And we wish all the best in your struggles with Lux Invicta.

Regards... and Cheers... Beta.

[quote]
GhengisFarb wrote on 15-02-2003 10:27:
We will not have Mathematics for a few more turns but agree to trade Math for Myst on that turn.

I went ahead and agreed to the other part of the deal and Math should take no longer than two turns.
[quote]

	16-02-2003 13:19									#360
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edit: oh I noticed they put that link on the main forum. I guess they don't mind people looking at that.

interesting reading in that thread

I kind of feel like I'm missing out though. I wonder what all the deatails were.

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