06-02-2003 22:15									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man We ARE going to repurchase a Palace? If not, I thoroughly recommend it

Yes you are STYOM ... a huge one with a Maple Leaf over the main entrance

Order of Play

Obiwan18 - 15 Turns
La Fayette - 15 Turns
SCG - 12 Turns
SG[1] - 12 Turns
STYOM - 12 Turns
SG(2) - 12 Turns
Hydey - 12 Turns
DrSpike - 12 Turns
Straybow - 12 Turns
-Jrabbit - 12 Turns

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SG(2)

	06-02-2003 22:36									#92
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I trust you can all distinguish between the kind, mild-mannered, friendly poster that is SG[1] and the feral monster that is my alter ego once at the rei(g)ns of the game

SG[1] - not at all foaming at the mouth or elsewhere

[Edit - to include the pun that I didn't see until rereading]

Last edited by Scouse Gits on 07-02-2003 at 13:04

	06-02-2003 23:49									#93
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I have the save - should be able to play it tomorrow, or Sat at worst.

	06-02-2003 23:51									#94
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Don't worry, SGs. By now, I'm sure you've both gotten your minds around the fact that anything negative is blamed on the "not you" SG. and of course, for anything profoundly positive, you're the [1] (or (2), as the case might be) who get the credit.

It must be great to be a Git!

	06-02-2003 23:58									#95
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Tbh it's a classic ploy. You both share a post count of double what you would have had by yourself.

You can even have conversations with yourself and get +2 for each +1.

I want to build the SG wonder and get doubled +1's!

	07-02-2003 01:29									#96
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Apart from insulting and murdering all predecessors, this looks like a peaceful and constructive reign. We shall bury you in the gardens after murdering you later on.
Long live New Capital!

	07-02-2003 02:42									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits The Rabid Rodent claims the Imperial Throne by right of arms, the four other contenders now lying in a bloody heap in the Palace, and howls in anguish. His incisors gnash and foam spills from the corners of his mouth as he surveys the chaos that is his Empire. Despite his best efforts as an Imperial Advisor, the Gardens have not been started and now a couple of civs have started on the Pyramids our nation is behind in the Wonders race - our cities are misplaced, we have no discernable infrastructure to expedite the build. Drastic measures are called for. His first instruction to the nation is that his predecessors should be burnt in effigy in every city square - uncontent with this, he orders their tombs violated and their decaying heads displayed on pikes at the gates to Steamboat Willy. Our Nation needs the Holy Gardens for survival! "We will have the Gardens, or you may have my head!" Enjoy, SG[1]

Ah, yes...the ever genteel, understated, somewhat droll, somewhat ambiguous prose of the British.

The dreadful incisors are fearful; but the rapier wit and slashing tongue are more incisive by far.

Well said, [1]!!

And well played.
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Monk

Contemplating the beauty of all these pretty flowers

	07-02-2003 04:09									#98
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Well played, SG[1]!

Is it still possible for us to get the Pyramids as well, or has it been built by one of the AI civilisations?

As for your rapier wit being a British trait, I remember that old anecdote about British explorers. Understatement being the norm, you would have to send another expedition, just to confirm the findings of the first. You wouldn't want to lose a ship if the vast cliffs of Antarctica and the turbulent seas were just a spot of trouble after tea

	07-02-2003 04:09									#99
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Whaddya know, I had a free hour and played


1250 BC: Wicked Lord STYOM takes over the Kingdom. First order of business is to rename New Capital to Magic Kingdom. Unfamiliar with the concept of being a Despot for a long time, STYOM then consults his advisors on the pros and cons of Despotism.

The major pro - no unit support beyond city size. A size 8 city would have 8 free units - even better than Monarchy.

The advisors then suggest "Try to switch to a Monarchy as soon as possible." STYOM frowns and has them beheaded.

In gratitude for being gifted the lovely Garden, STYOM has a wax effigy of SG[1] crafted and placed in the front hall of the soon to be defunct Palace. (The actual corpse is buried beneath the foundations of Palace, V. 2.0)

STYOM notes that our cities are poorly defended and the science rate is a dismal 13 turns/tech. We need Republic/Wheel/Banking/Construction/Engineering/Invention to get to the promised land of Democracy.

First order of business is to get better defenders, particularly if the Romans are wandering around our lands - the map suggests they are, since it's a cinch our Trireme didn't make that trip Wheel is to be chosen next, since chariots will be our best units for offensive defence, pre-Democracy.

Second order of business is to maximize arrows/shields. We want the new Palace ASAP! We want more science ASAP! Since it's not a wonder, we're loathe to use Caravans on Palace building, but we will if we must. Hopefully, we can put some Caravans away for MPE as well.

1250: No changes to anything.
Population now 200,000

1200: Road started near Middleton. We contact Romans and they declare war before we say a word! We're spotless... what did you say to them last turn SG[1]?
Fantasia production switched to Horsemen - we don't want to be caught with only a Warrior out here if the Romans show up.

1150: Aha, there's the Romans at (52,108) - a safe distance from our core cities - and we have Horses there if needed.
Horsemen in Fantasia>Settlers

1100: Romans edge closer, and our Horsemen from Magic Kingdom dispatch their Horsemen.
Science now 11/tech due to some worker rearrangement.
We say hello to the Romans... they tell us to p1ss off - yup, still Spotless

1050: Settlers in SteamboatWilly>Horsemen
Tomorrowland founded near the last Whale on homeland shores>Horsemen.
Science 12/tech; workers rearranged,
Contact Romans - still war.

Chinese start Pyramids.

1000: Not much of consequence.

975: Settlers in Middleton>Horsemen; Settlers in FreeWilly>Warriors
Republic discovered>Wheel. Insincerely, STYOM affirms that 'Despotism is working out fine'.
NeverNeverLand founded>Warriors
Contact Romans; they ask for 50g>war.

950: Roads are built towards Magic Kingdom with the intent of growing the city.
Roman Archers spotted near Tomorrowland! Production there switched to Horsemen and rushed. Horsemen from Fantasia move out along the handy road in support.

925: Our Fantasia Horsemen attack the Archers and die; Tomorrowland Horsemen kill Archers
(STYOM kicks himself - this is one instance where it might have been better to build a Phalanx?)
Fantasia production changed to Horsemen; Tomorrowland starts Warriors.

900: FreeWilly Settlers added to Magic Kingdom. Science 11/tech.

875: Magic Kingdom celebrates.
Romans demand 50g again>War
Tomorrowland Horsemen rehomed in Fantasia and production there changed to Settlers.
Warriors in FreeWilly>Settlers

850: Settlers in EuroDisney>Horsemen
Warriors in NeverNeverLand>Settlers
Roman Horsemen appear near FreeWilly Our FreeWilly Horsemen dispatch them.

825: Nothing of consequence. Science 10 turns/tech.

STYOM hops on a fast horse to get out of town, lest he suffer the fate of his predecessors.

Not much of import this time around - couldn't get much done due to the pesky Romans. I left a few options open: My successor can rush the Palace in Magic Kingdom by disbanding a Horseman, and I didn't talk to the Romans this turn - they may offer peace again.

The plus side is the tech rate is down and we need only 5 techs to change to Demo - the minus side is that we may be in poor shape to do that. No infrastructure in place to speak of, except that I've been roading up the shielded grass to pick up arrows.

	07-02-2003 04:25									#100
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Hi STYOM ... any chance of you posting the save file?

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SG(2)

	07-02-2003 04:27									#101
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Maybe it's not a record of the turns but his carefully considered plans.

	07-02-2003 04:31									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits His first instruction to the nation is that his predecessors should be burnt in effigy in every city square - uncontent with this, he orders their tombs violated and their decaying heads displayed on pikes at the gates to Steamboat Willy.

I certainly thought the cities were horribly placed when i started, but did try and get to Trade with what i had to work with, and once i had trade, i would have started the HG if i hadn't paused to read our threads about more cities And i did after all, have all units being built in case my successor decided to make them caravans

*Pauses to think, maybe i shouldn't have started researching trade? would i have still found it from the hut?* Should i have founded cities on the forest to get the 2 sets of 2 whales? I didn't think to build where New Capital is, although i would really have wished to have seen it founded there initially - several other cities would have fell right into place if it had been...

*thinks again* I bet i really would have ticked him off if i hadn't started researching trade But did i really do that bad?

	07-02-2003 04:45									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits Hi STYOM ... any chance of you posting the save file? --------------------------- SG(2)

I can now, hopefully - the last time I tried I got the dreaded 'This page cannot be displayed' message.

Hopefully this will give the masses something else to complain about!

	07-02-2003 04:53									#104
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SCG ... don't take anything to heart on these threads ... particularly succession games. The Gits have already been sneak attacked by evil old Spiky (must have a man to man ... or even warrior to warrior ... talk with that guy some time )

Succession games are a chance to enjoy civ in some dubious company. The Sticky Mouse Academy expects all its members to have thick skins before they sign up. Remember the opposition is the AI but the enemy is your fellow players. (Apologies to Winston S. Churchill for the altered quote)

Let's all carry on enjoying this game which is seven years old this month.

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SG(2)

	07-02-2003 05:14									#105
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SCG,

Do you remember the line, "Jane, you ignorant slut!!" (Ackroyd to Curtain in SNL version of Crossfire, circa 1977ish)

The important principle here is to have fun while, maybe, learning, remembering things about the game; and being outrageousness is part of the sport.

"It's not personal, Sonny; it's just business."

Monk

	07-02-2003 05:14									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits SCG ... don't take anything to heart on these threads ... particularly succession games. The Gits have already been sneak attacked by evil old Spiky (must have a man to man ... or even warrior to warrior ... talk with that guy some time )

Whatever do you mean? I have constantly agreed with you in this thread......except your unwarranted bashing of our valiant teammates of course.

Hehe yeah SCG half the fun is in saying "you don't wanna do it like that, you wanna do it like this"......no matter how well the players play.

	07-02-2003 05:26									#107
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It's a shame Skanky Burns doesn't play. He'd be a natural for this setting.

	07-02-2003 05:32									#108
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I'm going to have to reread my posts before i post them more often and add more smilies I didn't take it as seriously as everyone seems to think i am And yes, i was hoping for a little bit of critique on my turns (That's a classic line, btw BM ) Don't forget I've read a lot of posts on here (ever notice i'm digging up threads from 1-2 years ago that i've posted in every now and then?)

*starts getting nostalgic and looks around for his T-shirt he picked up when the SGs used to appear in concert*



*adds a few more smilies for good measure*

	07-02-2003 06:00									#109
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SCG,

Probably not much comment/critique because there is not much to fault. Your comment asking about building EuroD on trees is something else again. You made the only choice that allows the city +1 food so it can grow. Building on trees would stymie growth as long as Depotism holds. Take a look...

Monk

	07-02-2003 06:16									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk SCG, Probably not much comment/critique because there is not much to fault. Your comment asking about building EuroD on trees is something else again. You made the only choice that allows the city +1 food so it can grow. Building on trees would stymie growth as long as Depotism holds. Take a look... Monk

Always choices though - I chose there for 2 reasons, extra food and build sooner - similar reasons i founded Middleton, build sooner (i used the trireme to transport it there) and it didn't overlap, aiming to increase trade arrows in the early going Of course a settler could have irrigated the forest before building, or maybe the 2nd settler could irrigate (it would build it sooner too) i could have built it where new capital is at the same time and set the stage for later reorganizing of the cities as our glorious rodent has done

Oh, and i almost called 'Middleton' 'Wannaweep' for the overall layout of cities (sticking with the disney theme )

wonder if i have enough smilies?

	07-02-2003 06:33									#111
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SCG,

Okay, clearly you missed the point.

Cities cannot grow without +1 food. EuroD supports a settler, -1 food. If you had built on trees--or plains--there would be zero food surplus -> no growth.

Building to include whales is a major ++



Monk

	07-02-2003 06:42									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk SCG, Cities cannot grow without +1 food. EuroD supports a settler, -1 food. If you had built on trees--or plains--there would be zero food surplus -> no growth. Building to include whales is a major ++ Monk

of course it wouldn't grow while the settlers where irrigating but in despotism settlers are only 1 food support so would just stay at 0 extra food. question there would be is the 5 turns irrigating + the turns building the settlers in lost trade and food be worth all the extra production. Since i founded it before i found trade in a hut i was trying to increase trade arrows, but i'm sure several people here would have prefered to have had built it there 1 turn later Question is, which is the better option for this game and its special circumstances?

	07-02-2003 07:59									#113
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Irrigating?? extra production??



Very confused by your sentence structure, SCG; I'm sure it's my fault. You hadn't mentioned irrigating or extra production before and I can't fit it to the picture from the save.

The way EuroD is now, on grass with a supported settler, there is +1 food at size 1. Grass gives two food to the city square. Building on forest (or plains, after irrigating the trees) would only give one food from the city square. Hence, zero food surplus and no growth until Democracy if you had built on the forest tile.

Yes, I know. I just restated my previous post. Hoping for clarity is all. If this doesn't help, let's just let it go.

Monk

	07-02-2003 09:03									#114
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Building on plains is OK because irrigation of city square is automatic, and there would still have been 2 food. I'm going to complain because EuroD is one tile N of a 3 special location, even if it would've required 5 turns for chopping down the forest before settling.

	07-02-2003 10:57									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow Building on plains is OK because irrigation of city square is automatic, and there would still have been 2 food. I'm going to complain because EuroD is one tile N of a 3 special location, even if it would've required 5 turns for chopping down the forest before settling.

Thanks for the correction, Stray; +1 food from building on plains. But I always thought it was 3 turns for an engineer to clear a forest, twice that for a settler. Am I misrembering that as well??

Also, if it's mutiple specials you want, there are two, mutually exclusive 4-specials sites, either on grass, just a few steps away without the time loss of deforestation. (72,104) & (74,108) if I copied the coordinates correctly.

In any case, building on forest in despotism will be very limiting for growth which was the main point.

Monk

	07-02-2003 13:33									#116
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Well - if I read STYOMs post correctly no-one actually got to the Pyramids during his turns so my fear of losing the Gardens was misplaced. Which in turn means that my single minded pursuit of them was misguided and I should instead have got some more cities down and put some roads in.
Someone should immediately build The Institute in a suitably inhospitable location and I shall suffer my re-education gladly, "I must not fear the AI", "I MUST not fear the AI", "I must NOT ..."

Mea Culpa, but we do now have the Gardens

SG[1]

SCG - I would have built on the forest for two whales - but with hindsight (always 20-20) your choice given our peculiar rules was probably correct.

obiwan - although I would have wandered a little at the start and probably put my first city down at the site of New Capital the two Willies are well placed as feeder cities so no long term harm has been done.

LaFayette - an odd road might have been helpful, but the pressures of exploration are irresistable - that diplo you rushed made the Gardens possible - I would have been 5 shields/20g short without it.

SG[1] - still cowering behind his SDI

	07-02-2003 17:08									#117
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SG [1]

Yes, I could have wandered. The unknown is hard to plan or predict. The same is with the AI building the Pyramids. Would it be possible or desired to go for the Pyramids/Garden combo?

Mea Culpa? At least you started off on the right foot. I didn't even manage to do my first turn properly. You can lower your SDI now.
Really.
We're all friends here.

	07-02-2003 17:51									#118
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No need for the SDI, we have no hidden nukes, you can trust us

	07-02-2003 18:14									#119
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* "Whew, it's not just me..." -Jrabbit taking comfort in seeing others slagged. *

(Feeling much better now. Oh, and don't worry, you can trust Hydey!! )

	07-02-2003 18:19									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey No need for the SDI, we have no hidden nukes, you can trust us

Yes, we must all retain a spotless reputation throughout the game.

We should have asked Deity to join us.