07-02-2003 10:15									#1
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Recently in my dorm on one flooor( a guys floor) the Sexual Assault Services of the school put up a few anti-sexual assault posters. One of them had a few lines like "I went to a party. I was having another beer.. etc-" and then at end the poster said "but i didn't ask to be raped!" Well some fool crossed out "beer" and replace it with "case" and under the line "but i didn't ask to be raped!" they wrote in black marker "but i enjoyed it anyway!" Personally I think thats sick and I don't see why someone would do that.

	07-02-2003 10:17									#2
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Some people are bastards.

	07-02-2003 10:19									#3
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Yeah, that's sick. Nothing like a bunch of drunken morons trying to joke about a violent crime.

I'm surprised they don't make an anti-marijuana commerical... oh wait a minute...

oh yeah, on a side note, if the justice system ever gets cleaned up... rape (not statutory) should be a capital crime...

	07-02-2003 10:27									#4
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quote: rape (not statutory) should be a capital crime...

Yeah, if you can amend the Constitution (ie, not a chance in Hell).

The SC already said rape cannot be a crime subject to capital punishment in Coker v. Georgia. Only for murder can you be executed.

	07-02-2003 10:27									#5
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I'm talking about when I take over

	07-02-2003 10:30									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: rape (not statutory) should be a capital crime... Yeah, if you can amend the Constitution (ie, not a chance in Hell). The SC already said rape cannot be a crime subject to capital punishment in Coker v. Georgia. Only for murder can you be executed.

Fine, you can't cut off their heads, but you can still cut off their balls.

	07-02-2003 10:33									#7
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That's 'cruel and unusual', UR .

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UR... that sounds better... I'd do that, then drop them off about 20 miles out to sea and let fate decide whether they live or not

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui That's 'cruel and unusual', UR .

Yeah man, I can be mean and vicious too.

	07-02-2003 10:37									#10
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That reminds me of my former roommates plan for an anti-rape campaign. I believe he said something along the lines of "women should date skinny, weak, computer science majors since they are easier to resist being raped by." I laughed.

	07-02-2003 10:38									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Sava: rape (not statutory) should be a capital crime...

Not a good idea. If rape were a capital crime then rapists would be less likely to release their victims, they would kill them instead. If they've already committed one capital crime (rape), they wouldn't have anything to lose by committing another (murder).

However, I think that child rapists and serial rapists should be locked up for life with no possibility of parole.

	07-02-2003 10:44									#12
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Some people just don't get it.

On the other hand, I do not consider rape to be the great horror that others consider it. It's not worse than murder, and it's not even close. It can be anything between being akin to a mugging to a vicious beating to torture, depending on both the rapist and the victim. It certainly doesn't deserve the death penalty.

	07-02-2003 10:46									#13
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quote: On the other hand, I do not consider rape to be the great horror that others consider it. It's not worse than murder, and it's not even close. It can be anything between being akin to a mugging to a vicious beating to torture, depending on both the rapist and the victim. It certainly doesn't deserve the death penalty.

Che, you are trolling, right?!

If you aren't, I can only say, you are saying this because you ain't a woman.

	07-02-2003 10:49									#14
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"It can be anything between being akin to a mugging to a vicious beating to torture"
Would YOU rather be raped? or mugged???
Would anyone???
nuff said.
rape is the anti-civilization

	07-02-2003 10:58									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Che, you are trolling, right?! If you aren't, I can only say, you are saying this because you ain't a woman.

Nope. I've thought about this to some extent. I used to be part of the 'string 'em up' posse, but I've come to the conclusion that treating rape differently than other forms of violence is patronizing to women. We act as if it's the most horrible thing that can happen to a person (and remember, plenty of men get raped also). We act as if it will totally destroy a person's life, and sometimes it does. Most people, even women, get on with their lives. It doesn't come close to being murdered, terminating your consciousness, your existence.

I've known plenty of people who were raped. Yeah, it can be a life altering event. It can destroy you. So can being jumped and beaten nearly to death. It takes away your sense of security, your ability to trust, it severs your connections to other human beings.

Either rape isn't as bad as we make it out to be or we don't treat non-sexual violence anywhere nearly as bad as we should.

	07-02-2003 11:41									#16
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I have to disagree. Rape demonishs a victim's psyche much more than any other violent crime.

	07-02-2003 11:51									#17
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Nope. I've thought about this to some extent. I used to be part of the 'string 'em up' posse, but I've come to the conclusion that treating rape differently than other forms of violence is patronizing to women. We act as if it's the most horrible thing that can happen to a person (and remember, plenty of men get raped also).

I think the real problem is that people for the most part underplay the fact that men are raped. The reason women are patronized is they're singled out as the victims of rape. It's something that happens specifically to them, and not just anybody.

	07-02-2003 11:51									#18
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if I was a woman, I'd certainly prefer to be mugged than raped. Being mugged is not fun at all but you recover from it within a short period. Being raped is something that alters your life forever.

	07-02-2003 11:59									#19
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Chegitz: would you prefer to be mugged, our raped by a gay guy?

	07-02-2003 12:02									#20
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All guys are afraid they accidentally break the law and go to maximum security prison and are gang raped all the time by large men. That's about worst that can happen to you, or one of them, so it must be just as bad to the women too, but they can be victims outside prison too. Men can be also, but it's unlikely.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Nope. I've thought about this to some extent. I used to be part of the 'string 'em up' posse, but I've come to the conclusion that treating rape differently than other forms of violence is patronizing to women. We act as if it's the most horrible thing that can happen to a person (and remember, plenty of men get raped also). We act as if it will totally destroy a person's life, and sometimes it does. Most people, even women, get on with their lives. It doesn't come close to being murdered, terminating your consciousness, your existence. I've known plenty of people who were raped. Yeah, it can be a life altering event. It can destroy you. So can being jumped and beaten nearly to death. It takes away your sense of security, your ability to trust, it severs your connections to other human beings. Either rape isn't as bad as we make it out to be or we don't treat non-sexual violence anywhere nearly as bad as we should.

I know that I would far rather be mugged than raped (by guy or girl)

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	07-02-2003 12:08									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Static23 I think the real problem is that people for the most part underplay the fact that men are raped. The reason women are patronized is they're singled out as the victims of rape. It's something that happens specifically to them, and not just anybody.

I don't think that's the case.

First of all, there are a lot less hemosexual men than hetrosexual men. If we suppose a certain percentage of men are sick bastard rapists, we can see there are a lot less rapes against men than against women. Secondly, women in general are easier to physically overcome than men.

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Women are frequently pressured into having sex they don't want to have. It doesn't have to be violent or traumatic. It can be annoying. Many women consider it normal to be forced to "have sex." The problem you all are having is you refuse to acknowledge all the permutations of rape.

You are also all refusing to acknowledge how traumatizing being beaten or even being mugged can be. Some of you are very flippant about being a victim of crime, without realizing that it too can really f*ck up your head.

You ask if I'd rather be mugged or raped. I could be mugged and shot or stabbed or beaten and left for dead. I imagine you have no freaking clue how scary it is to be mugged, how out of control you feel when it's happening, how you don't feel safe walking around anymore. And I wasn't even overtly threatened with violence.

On the other hand, I could be passed out cold and raped. Unless someone told me, I might not even be aware it happened.

The same crime can have different levels of violence and victims can react differently to them.

	07-02-2003 12:10									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger First of all, there are a lot less hemosexual men than hetrosexual men.

Women have been known to rape gay men, gay men are frequently raped by heterosexual men, and prison rape has nothing to do with homosexuality.

	07-02-2003 12:13									#25
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Many women consider it normal to be forced to "have sex."

What kind of people do you hang out with? I don't know any women who would say this.

	07-02-2003 12:18									#26
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Of course, if you carry around a nice, loaded handgun, you can worry less about muggings and rape, and muggers and rapists can start worrying more about getting their brains blown out - this is how things should be.

	07-02-2003 12:19									#27
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Women are frequently pressured into having sex they don't want to have. It doesn't have to be violent or traumatic. It can be annoying. Many women consider it normal to be forced to "have sex." The problem you all are having is you refuse to acknowledge all the permutations of rape.

That's not my problem. That's a problem with these women, or rather, the society that makes them think it's normal that way. Being forced to have sex is not normal, full stop. I don't see any permutations - the only criterion is consent.

quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You are also all refusing to acknowledge how traumatizing being beaten or even being mugged can be. Some of you are very flippant about being a victim of crime, without realizing that it too can really f*ck up your head.

Sure, but you are speaking about exceptional cases in these other crimes as compared to what happens much more frequently with rape cases.

You forgot rape is mostly about power, not sex. Hence, the victims, mostly women, are made to suffer and be humiliated. This is not a factor in most other crimes.

quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You ask if I'd rather be mugged or raped. I could be mugged and shot or stabbed or beaten and left for dead. I imagine you have no freaking clue how scary it is to be mugged, how out of control you feel when it's happening, how you don't feel safe walking around anymore. And I wasn't even overtly threatened with violence. On the other hand, I could be passed out cold and raped. Unless someone told me, I might not even be aware it happened.

Sure, but you forgot rape victims can also be beaten or shot or stabbed and left for dead. No difference there.

	07-02-2003 12:21									#28
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quote: Originally posted by AnnC What kind of people do you hang out with? I don't know any women who would say this.

Bunnygrrl has had sorority girls tell her this. That's just one example. When I was studying rape, our anti-rape activist group mentioned studies of women who didn't consider rape to be rape.

I never wrote that these were healthy people. Hell, I had a girlfriend who literally thought men had no choice in the matter. She had no respect for herself or for men. She broke up with me when I didn't have sex with her because she didn't want to have sex. She felt I was rejecting her.

	07-02-2003 12:21									#29
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Women have been known to rape gay men, gay men are frequently raped by heterosexual men, and prison rape has nothing to do with homosexuality.

First of all, I wasn't talking about a prison situation. Secondly, how does a woman rape a man? I can't wrap my head around that one. Thirdly, why would a hetero man rape a man? I can't warp my head around that one, either.

	07-02-2003 12:24									#30
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Of course, if you carry around a nice, loaded handgun, you can worry less about muggings and rape, and muggers and rapists can start worrying more about getting their brains blown out - this is how things should be.

I don't agree. When normal citizens start carrying handguns, bad guys will start carrying submachine guns. It's just an arms race.