08-02-2003 04:54									#91
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Look, if it's a ugly chick u can always tell her to leave.
Men are capable of raping wimen, not reverse.

	08-02-2003 04:57									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Viking Berserk Look, if it's a ugly chick u can always tell her to leave. Men are capable of raping wimen, not reverse.

So why doesn't that work for women? "Go away, you big meanie!"

Sometimes women are indeed able to overpower men. Sometimes they use drugs that facilitate rape. Sometimes they are in a position of power in which they can coerce a man into sex against his will.

Regardless, it does happen. Not with the frequency of men raping women or men, but it certainly does happen.

	08-02-2003 05:12									#94
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Lol, a friend of mine had been to Spain.
He was what you would define as "raped" by some hookers. He told them he was the son of "Kjell Inge Røkke" a billionaire in Norway.
So they drugged him down and had sex with him.
He did NOT complain as I understood it

	08-02-2003 05:24									#95
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and let us not forget women raping other women.

We had a case like this in Israel. a woman dressed as a man, and used a knife to threaten women into submission. She then ****ed them with a strap-on.

She also seduced high-school girls.

	08-02-2003 05:24									#96
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Just because your friend was disturbed enough to "enjoy" such a thing does not mean it would not be rape for a person who did not enjoy it.

	08-02-2003 05:28									#97
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quote: Rapists don't think like that.

Good! That means that the rapist population will begin to permanently decline in large numbers, via firearms!

	08-02-2003 05:44									#98
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Isn't that just turning 'self defence' into 'execution'?

	08-02-2003 05:45									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Viking Berserk How could she rape a man? 1: Men are stronger than wimen

All men are not stronger than all women. I've known more than a few women who could easily beat my ass, (especially most of Bunnygrrl's aunts )

quote: 2: It would be a rape if they had sex. What? Was he supposed to get a boner out of fear???

Yes, men can get erections from fear. They can also have involuntary erections if stimulated. Just because your body responds doesn't mean you want to have sex.

	08-02-2003 05:58									#100
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Sorry IS, no doesn't always mean no. It would be nice if it did, but it doesn't.

A survey was conducted some years ago by the University of Texas at Austin, I believe, which proved that a large majority of women have said "no" when they meant "yes".

Of course a man has to be clever enough to recognise a real "no" from a false one - and that isn't that hard for any regular person.

IMHO the perpetrators of the poster defacement were probably trying to get up the nose of the sad face feminists that post such things rather than glorify rape.

	08-02-2003 06:05									#101
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Legally, no means no. If she means yes, says no, and you have sex, you have committed sexual assault. Yeah, women sometimes play stupid games. Don't play them. No means no.

	08-02-2003 06:39									#102
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It isn't men playing the games.

And I believe that the application of the law isn't that tight. If it is then that is a problem.

I actually have a problem with the way the rape law is adminstered and interpreted by the authorites and other institurions anyway. In response to claims from feminists the notion that people are innocent before they are proven guilty has largely gone out the window.

To illustrate, here's a well known case from my old university in New Zealand.

A female student in a residence; let's call her A; was doing badly at school and was stressing out over her exams. A friend of hers told her that all she needed to do was claim that she had been raped and she would get an aegrotat pass instead of having to sit the exams.

So A went to the university authorities and claimed that her RA had raped her. There was no other evidence other than her own statements. No one could even prove that the RA had been around at the time of the supposed assault.

So, the residence kicks him out, the university kicks him out, and the police charge him with rape. He's basically Mr S**t in the university community and in the local area and receives death threats.

Despite there being no evidence other than the statement of the alleged victim the police press ahead with the prosecution. People come forward to state that he hadn't been even in town on the relevant date. The police press ahead with the prosecution anyway.

A fair while goes by.....

Eventually, his (by no means well off) parents hire a private detective to try and prove he wasn't there. The detective uses his bank records to find out that he had used his credit card several times on that night and obtains security camera footage from bank machines and a gas station that prove he was 150 miles away from the residence at the time of the supposed assault and had stayed away the entire weekend.

He takes this to the police who reinterview A who admits that the whole thing was a lie.

So the police drop the case. This guy had lost a year of his life, been the subject of threats and had basically been Mr S**t in our town for months. If the parents hadn't hired a PD the case would have gone ahead, costing his family a fortune in legal fees.

So what happens - the university apologises and expels A. The police refuse to prosecute her for wasting police time (I don't know why) and she basically gets off. Feminist organisations on campus take the bizarre step of refusing to condemn her and rave on about a conspiracy.

This is the social and legal climate in which rape cases take place. There is no hope of being treated fairly by the police or your employer simply because radical feminists (and don't get me wrong - I agree with them about most things) have lobbied and lobbied to make sure that rape is dealt with like this. In other words the idea of someone being innocent until proven guilty and the requirement for a decent amount of evidence have gone out the window when it comes to rape.

If you think this is an isolated case, it isn't. It was just highly publcised. I know of one other case (a friend's cousin) in which much the same thing happened.

It's simply appalling.

	08-02-2003 07:57									#103
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You ask if I'd rather be mugged or raped. I could be mugged and shot or stabbed or beaten and left for dead. I imagine you have no freaking clue how scary it is to be mugged, how out of control you feel when it's happening, how you don't feel safe walking around anymore. And I wasn't even overtly threatened with violence. On the other hand, I could be passed out cold and raped. Unless someone told me, I might not even be aware it happened.

Well, gangs in certain parts of the US have adopted a new tactic for brutalizing their victims. they shoot them in the spinal cord, paralyzing them for life. Since the victim doesn't die if the shooter is caught he is onl7y charged for aggravated assault and malicious wounding, but I'd have to say that that being paralyzed for life is a lot worse than rape. An assailant could also deliberately make mince meat out of his victim's face, limbs, or other body parts.

Uh, if someone raped you while you were passed out I think you's know it when you woke up. Sodomy hurts alot unless it's something that you do regularily. Do you?

	08-02-2003 08:02									#104
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara quote: Originally posted by Viking Berserk How could she rape a man? 1: Men are stronger than wimen All men are not stronger than all women. I've known more than a few women who could easily beat my ass, (especially most of Bunnygrrl's aunts ) quote: 2: It would be a rape if they had sex. What? Was he supposed to get a boner out of fear??? Yes, men can get erections from fear. They can also have involuntary erections if stimulated. Just because your body responds doesn't mean you want to have sex.

Generally that is not likely. Fear is more likely to make getting an erection impossible.

	08-02-2003 10:08									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon To illustrate, here's a well known case from my old university in New Zealand.

Isolated cases are not the rule, they are exceptions. They can make you think, but they can't be used to backup arguments.

	08-02-2003 12:01									#106
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quote: A survey was conducted some years ago by the University of Texas at Austin, I believe, which proved that a large majority of women have said "no" when they meant "yes".

I think that's total bullshit. You DO NOT say no, when you mean yes, anyone can tell you that. It's a myth a bunch of men have made up so they can go around raping women, saying they 'meant to say yes'.

And if you continue to try to have sex after she says no, you are committing sexual assault, no ifs, ands, or buts.

	08-02-2003 12:48									#107
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that survey just proves that women are evil and a product of satan.

	08-02-2003 13:23									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: A survey was conducted some years ago by the University of Texas at Austin, I believe, which proved that a large majority of women have said "no" when they meant "yes". I think that's total bullshit. You DO NOT say no, when you mean yes, anyone can tell you that. It's a myth a bunch of men have made up so they can go around raping women, saying they 'meant to say yes'.

That sounds like fun.

Mugger, "Give me your money."
Victim, "No!"
Mugger, "Okay, that means yes, according to some survey I read a while ago."

	08-02-2003 13:28									#109
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I assure you, no means NO.

	08-02-2003 13:39									#110
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Oh, Jesus H C on a Crutch!

No one has ever heard of hard to get, but wanting to be got? There is a hell of a lot of difference between the No, kiss, no, kiss, yes scenario and the rape scenario which is NO, NO, NO.

Could some of you get it straight that life is more complicated than just black and white?

	08-02-2003 13:50									#111
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Seeing that non-verbal communication channels convey 80% of the information, context definitely makes a huge difference.

	08-02-2003 19:41									#112
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Well i think rapeing is a one of the worst crimes driven bey the hopelessness of certain men by a sexual drive.
Btw Che i agree on some points of you but woman Cannot be forced to have sex on a high extent...

	08-02-2003 19:59									#113
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sexual drive has little to do with rape, I thought we agreed on that?

And yes, Dr. Strangelove, that kind of thing is much worse that rape.

	08-02-2003 20:03									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Secondly, how does a woman rape a man? I can't wrap my head around that one.

There have been many cases of sexual abuse by older and larger females of younger and weaker males, eg in childcare and babysitting situations.

A man's erection is a physical response - it doesn't mean that he's mentally willing to have sex. Rape is as much a state of mental resistance as it is physical.

If you argue that a man consents to sex just because he has an erection, then you assume that a man can will his erection on and off with 100% control.

From the number of times I've seen a guy try to urinate with an erection, this is evidently not the case.

Although I have to admit there's something kinda likeable about a guy leaning, splay legged, with his hands on the wall, over a toilet trying to coax his stream from an insistently uncooperative member

	08-02-2003 20:40									#115
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quote: From the number of times I've seen a guy try to urinate with an erection, this is evidently not the case.

	08-02-2003 23:06									#116
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sometimes we get erections just from a bumpy busride . the bus in general does not arouse me- and I'm not aroused by any of the females in the bus. Often I cannot see them. But any kind of physical stimulation will get me erect. I wake up with an erection as well. Does sleep arouse me? Not likely.

So I repear- an erection does not equal arousal.

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	08-02-2003 23:19									#117
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oh, "morning wood" is a known fenomenon.

	09-02-2003 00:27									#118
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Somehow most people in this thread have lost their sense of reality, ecspecially for suggesting capital punishment for rapists. Rape is just a crime among the others. It can ruin your life, but one's life can be ruined even if no crime was involved at all. Divorces, alcohol and smoking are just examples. Chegitz guevara has many good points, and I ask people try not to see things in black and white.

Also I am absolutely certain that I would rather be raped by a male than, for example, get blind.

	09-02-2003 00:32									#119
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DL!

	09-02-2003 00:48									#120
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may I have this dance, Dino?