07-02-2003 21:53									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: It's not exactly that they think it's ok, but that they think it is normal and should be expected. Maybe a decade or so back, but not anymore. No woman I've spoken to considers forced sex 'normal'.

You may not know any but I know way too many.

	07-02-2003 21:54									#62
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quote: Sure, I understand the power part. The thing I don't understand is, a hetero just can't do it to a man, power or no power. His brain just isn't wired that way.

Isn't power supposed to be the ultimate turn on? Rape for power is a common theme throughout history. It's commonly seen in prisons. It's even documented in Ancient Egypt where a conquering ruler would symbolically rape the defeated foe. It entered into mythology, the god Set raped Osiris to crush Osiris' power.

	07-02-2003 21:55									#63
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley JWB was a "rapist". He did deserve what he got, if you think street justice, poetic justice or whatever you want to call it is the way one should conduct themselves in a civilized society. I disagree with that part. My problem is with the double standard. Forced sexual mutilation is abhorrent and is not a laughing matter. Maybe Monty Python in their heyday or somebody else might be able to spin comic gold from this, but that is besides the point. If a man was to make jokes in mixed company about how some soldiers, pick any war, or a serial killer (often they are victims of sexual abuse) sexually mutilated women, he would be villified and ostracized and rightly so. Excusing the women for this callousness plays into the hands of the feminazis. That is the point I was making.

JWB's own behavior made him a legitimate target for the humor. He was a scumbag who got his comeuppance. I'm sure it was traumatizing to have his penis severed, but he should have thought of that before he went and raped Lorena. Now maybe he knows how traumatized she felt.

Considering he got his penis back and has made a career off it, I'd say any comedy about it is perfectly fine and justified. He deserved worse, frankly.

Now if a woman went and mutilated a man unprovoked or hadn't done something as heinous as rape, I'd agree it isn't a laughing matter. But the Bobbitt scenario is a bad example, because the bastard got what he had coming to him. So I'll laugh my ass off at him.

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The ultra-feminists claim that rapists and domestic abusers are the foot soldiers of the patriarch society. But if this were true, rapists would not be hated by all other men.

	07-02-2003 23:08									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov JWB's own behavior made him a legitimate target for the humor. He was a scumbag who got his comeuppance. I'm sure it was traumatizing to have his penis severed, but he should have thought of that before he went and raped Lorena. Now maybe he knows how traumatized she felt. Considering he got his penis back and has made a career off it, I'd say any comedy about it is perfectly fine and justified. He deserved worse, frankly. Now if a woman went and mutilated a man unprovoked or hadn't done something as heinous as rape, I'd agree it isn't a laughing matter. But the Bobbitt scenario is a bad example, because the bastard got what he had coming to him. So I'll laugh my ass off at him.

Well according to your scenario, if a woman sexually abuses me, then I have the right to cut her breasts off, as long as they are sewn back on and she can make some money off of the deal.

	07-02-2003 23:16									#66
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some of you guys are under the misconception that all women are "strong" and they all listen to what feminists have to say. Believe me, there are women out there that don't have enough self respect to report when they have been raped. It happens all the time.

This is absolutely not true. And in the minority community it definately is not true. Not all women are "strong". Not all of them follow the feminist way of life closely. Some women are weak as kittens. Why this is? Well there could be a variety of reasons, one of which is that they were abused as children in some way.

	07-02-2003 23:19									#67
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and might I add what the proof is that Lorena was raped? I believe it happened, but you have to admit there is a chance she was lying about it. The woman was emotionally unstable. Although I grant you she was probably unstable because of what John did to her.

but you shouldn't go through life always believing what women say. Well except for the No means No part

	08-02-2003 00:26									#68
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No, certainly doesn't always mean no. That is just a simple platitude for simpletons.

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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley Well according to your scenario, if a woman sexually abuses me, then I have the right to cut her breasts off, as long as they are sewn back on and she can make some money off of the deal.

When did I ever say Lorena Bobbitt had a right to do what she did? All I said was that I had a perfect right to laugh at JWB's predicament, because he proved himself an ******* who brought about is own problem. It's why we laugh at the Darwin Awards.

If some ***** raped a man and he went and lopped off one of her boobs out of revenge, I'd laugh at her, too. She had it coming.

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Boris

OK. Point made.

	08-02-2003 02:07									#71
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quote: No, certainly doesn't always mean no.

YES, NO MEANS NO!

Once a woman says no, you stop. You go any futher and you are scum, IMO.

	08-02-2003 02:12									#72
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My girlfriend said no in the first place. One week later, we were going out. She then admitted she had been willing to accept from the beginning. Sometimes, no doesn't mean no, as stupid as it sounds.

	08-02-2003 02:14									#73
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quote: rape (not statutory) should be a capital crime

What's statutory?

	08-02-2003 02:17									#74
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quote: Sometimes, no doesn't mean no

When you are making out, and she says no... then you stop.

You can always try it at some other time, but no means no.

You going a week later with someone who said no doesn't mean anything in this deate.

	08-02-2003 02:20									#75
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quote: Well according to your scenario, if a woman sexually abuses me, then I have the right to cut her breasts off, as long as they are sewn back on and she can make some money off of the deal.

Don't be silly! A woman can't rape a man!

	08-02-2003 02:25									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui YES, NO MEANS NO! Once a woman says no, you stop. You go any futher and you are scum, IMO.

BS, you must not get much. It depends on how it is being said. My wife says no and she means yes and sometimes she says no and she means NO.

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	08-02-2003 02:37									#77
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quote: My wife says no and she means yes and sometimes she says no and she means NO.

No always means no. That's final. You might force a woman to later be to tired to say no, so she might give in, but she meant no.

How would you like it if you were with some woman (who didn't look that great) and didn't want to fool around, so you said no, but she attempted to go further to try to 'coerce' you? Would you be happy with that.

NO MEANS NO!

	08-02-2003 02:40									#78
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How could she rape a man?
1: Men are stronger than wimen
2: It would be a rape if they had sex. What? Was he supposed to get a boner out of fear???

	08-02-2003 02:44									#79
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quote: How could she rape a man?

Who was talking about women raping men? Sexual advances and sexual abuse aren't rape.

quote: 1: Men are stronger than wimen

A generalization. Many women are stronger than the average man.

quote: 2: It would be rape if they had sex. What? Was he supposed to get a boner out of fear???

You are a guy... are you trying to tell me every time you had an erection, you meant it?

	08-02-2003 02:47									#80
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quote: 2: It would be a rape if they had sex. What? Was he supposed to get a boner out of fear???

Well there's always force-feeding Viagra. Also I don't know about you but I don't have all that much conscious control over what size my friend in my pants feels like being...

	08-02-2003 02:49									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: My wife says no and she means yes and sometimes she says no and she means NO. No always means no. That's final. You might force a woman to later be to tired to say no, so she might give in, but she meant no. How would you like it if you were with some woman (who didn't look that great) and didn't want to fool around, so you said no, but she attempted to go further to try to 'coerce' you? Would you be happy with that. NO MEANS NO!

I love it when your forceful.

My experience tells me otherwise. No sometimes means yes. Words are ambiguous at best. Ask any lawyer.

	08-02-2003 02:58									#82
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley No sometimes means yes. Words are ambiguous at best. Ask any lawyer.

Ask any Lawyer what?, What his fee is for defending
you?

No does mean no, otherwise it's a rape or a mercy
screw. Eithier way is really pathic.

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BS

	08-02-2003 03:01									#84
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If no meant no, then seduction would be rape. Romance would be stalking.

Nevermind, the feminazis have already changed those definitions, so I guess you boys are right.

Soldier on, I'm done here.

	08-02-2003 03:01									#85
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If she's hot, I'd let her rape me

If she's ugly, I won't get a boner.

	08-02-2003 03:18									#86
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Men are perfectly capable of getting an erection even under involuntary conditions, given physical stimulus to the penis.

	08-02-2003 03:20									#87
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You'd think most men would know that by the time they are old enough to start posting here.

	08-02-2003 04:28									#88
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"Men are perfectly capable of getting an erection even under involuntary conditions, given physical stimulus to the penis."

Well well, I'd say if I get horny I wouldn't call it a rape.

	08-02-2003 04:46									#89
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quote: NO MEANS NO!

Do you think that is an alien spaceship? If I answer "yes sure it is" then I actually mean "No you ****ing idiot get some sense!"
This type of matter is no different. There is much more to language than words. Sometimes however, it's impossible to know the actual intent and of course then you should play it safe and don't do anything.

	08-02-2003 04:47									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Viking Berserk "Men are perfectly capable of getting an erection even under involuntary conditions, given physical stimulus to the penis." Well well, I'd say if I get horny I wouldn't call it a rape.

Getting an erection involuntarily doesn't negate the fact that one is being raped.