17-02-2003 09:29									#1
	BetaHound Rants Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

OK - my apologies in advance - and to any snarky comments I have posted in other threads. But I am p***ed off. Sorry, but I am.

The last day or two in this forum has been in some respects a disgrace to Apolyton and what I thought we stood for. And for me, it has been personally frustrating.

First , I will offer a blanket apology to one and all for some of the things that may have fallen between the cracks in organizing the team and the game set-up, or if a poll was closed by the time you got here, or if you didn't know this forum existed. And yes - perhaps some more creative advertising could've been used to inform people.

BUT - enough folks knew about it and were here. And pitched in to make it work.

This thread

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=73702

in the Civ3 Demo game forum has been active and on the front page since inception. It includes updates from MarkG as to when the forum was set up, when it became 'closed', and how to access it.

I also posted an advertisement thread in the PTWDG forum, and Mark posted an announcement on the main Civ3 board.

This thread here in the closed forum contained a running commentary on what was going on with the game schedule, what teams were in or out, issues at the intersite forum including game parameter discussions, and the final game parameters:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=76158

This thread contains the debate which went for sometime regarding a civ choice:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=75946

This one contains the summary of the voting on a civ, both for our team, and for the other site teams as they became avialable:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=76477

This thread contained the discussion on the civ customization:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=76690

This one summarizes in the first post what had been decided with civ customization, and what was left to determine:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=77166

Numerous other threads, including those started by Arnelos, Thud, and nye addressed the constitution, consul nominations, elections, and many initial strategy issues. Thank-you one and all for getting us to the starting line in reasonably good shape, particularly given the tight time lines.

So for all those of you who complained about things, step up and let me check your off-topic posting during this period. If you had time for some of that nonsense, you clearly had time to be here catching up on things and contributing. I appreciate that many of you may have had RL or other Apolyton team duties. As do I, btw.

To folks disgruntled from other areas of Apolyton gaming- please leave it at the door. This is a new game.

Once again - to those who helped, thank-you. For those of you who were patient with some of the tight deadlines and perhaps everything not being tied up or presented as nicely as it could have been, thank-you. For those who helped with new members - notably Donegeal - thank-you.

And again - my apologies for everything not being perfect - but then hey - Apolyton is a bit like RL after all.

For others who still aren't happy - well - the game hasn't started yet - you can always leave the team. You don't need my authorization to do that.

Thank-you for listening and ...

Now - on with the game!

..... Beta. (going contentedly to sleep)

Last edited by Beta on 17-02-2003 at 09:51

	17-02-2003 10:13									#2
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I think you, and others, are doing a great job.

If any of the above was in regard to a couple of saying "hey, we didn't know" don't worry about it.

Looking forward to the adventure, and to KICKING FIRAXIS' -SS!!

	17-02-2003 10:21									#3
	Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by Theseus Looking forward to the adventure, and to KICKING FIRAXIS' -SS!!

Theseus-

Would it be prudent to kick Soren off our PTW team? Is he a spy?


This is my first post in this forum, Iwill post here and there, but do not have a lot of time these days.

	17-02-2003 10:37									#4
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Beta... You should not be the one apologising. In fact, I feel angered that you feel like you should.

This thread was advertised well enough that the people who were really interested...found it.

Those members who did not find it, then I say...
Welcome aboard and tough luck.

As for keeping the other PTW Demo game disagreements from entering this game...I am afraid, its just not going to happen.
And in fact, I dont mind if it keeps going.
So long as it doesnt degrade into name calling, healthy debate about tactics used in the poly game can only make us better at this game.

Wasnt the Poly game set up just to make us stronger for this game.

Regs

Hot_Enamel

	17-02-2003 10:46									#5
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Well, the whole bit about many of us being on various teams in different games makes my head spin.

I'll put my AU hat on, and say that I trust the good guys... share and share alike, and let's learn from each other ('poly first, of course).

Soren? I was about to slap in the "we're not worthy" thingie, but I'll say this instead. The guy gets abuse a-plenty, but keeps coming back. And delivering.

As far as I'm concerned, he can and should spy all he wants.

(I know, you were joking, but I feel for the Firaxians, in a big way, and want to encourage their continued efforts... the Intersite game notwithstanding)

Just to make it clear: I LOOOOVE that Firaxis is stepping up, and I hope that it somehow helps the game... but I got Sid in the crosshairs!!!

	17-02-2003 11:02									#6
	Inflate your Upload Space

Hmmmm...

Firaxis is being very mysterious here. They will either be our most potent rivals, or will be the most vacant team ever. They don't seem to be very 'organized', and take a while to make decisions. But we'll see what is yet to come later...

	17-02-2003 12:36									#7
	Re: BetaHound Rants Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by BetaHound http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=73702 http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=76158 http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=75946 http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=76477 http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=76690 Numerous other threads, including those started by Arnelos, Thud, and nye addressed the constitution, consul nominations, elections, and many initial strategy issues.

Exactly ... you linked to 5 threads and referred to "numerous other threads".
Nobody is unappreciative of the work many people have put into this forum already, however, requesting a topped summary thread for the benefit of people who have come into this thing a little late really didn't seem like too much to ask.

	17-02-2003 13:48									#8
	Tired of ads?

Unfortunately, we can't have a topped summary yet. MarkG needs to make the Consuls mods first... You will have a summary today, topped or not. I promise that.

	17-02-2003 17:19									#9
	Re: Re: BetaHound Rants Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet Exactly ... you linked to 5 threads and referred to "numerous other threads". Nobody is unappreciative of the work many people have put into this forum already, however, requesting a topped summary thread for the benefit of people who have come into this thing a little late really didn't seem like too much to ask.

FP - you are right about the topped threads. This may have helped. Or a directory that said - 'if you just got here, read this, this and this.' As I said - live and learn.

Anyways - enough of this looking backward - let's move on.

	17-02-2003 18:02									#10
	Increase the size of your Attachments

OK, sorry to let it go as far as it did. Apologies to you, BetaHound - I know it must be taking extreme amounts of time to coordinate between here and the UN forum, plus answer all those question raised over and over in here.

The InfoCenter thread is now up and running and should be the ultimate source of information for everybody including newcomers from now on.

Closing this thread.