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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:26
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Originally posted by Asher
You have so. In a thread on Apolyton quite a while ago.
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Asher, you are wrong. You don't understand what I have written so don't try to quote me.
This is a simple request. I'm not interested in explaining things to you. It is a waste of my time.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:26
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Last edited by Tingkai on 20-02-2003 at 12:54
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cinch
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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Jul 2002
time: 22:26
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I am Albertan. I am not a seperatist. BEHOLD!
I tend to think of myself as pretty left-leaning, especially for my location, yet I still have a damn lot to complain about in regards to Ottawa running roughshod over the West.
Gun Registry: ONE BILLION?! That's not a mistake, that's a friggin' catastrophe!
Senate Reform: This is probably the thing I believe most strongly in. There is absolutely no reason why this hasn't been implemented already. An appointed legislative body?! Blech!
Kyoto: No Comment.
Do I think Alberta should seperate? No. I think Canada's a fantastic country, and we just have to work within the system. How we'll accomplish that, I don't really know... I'm not a political strategist. But I believe it can be done. I am a Canadian first, an Albertan second.
However, I see no harm in Ralphie's latest musings. He's just trying his best to get Ottawa to take notice, and I can't fault him for that. But I don't take seperation into serious consideration.
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SirTweek
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I would go for western seperation if it included Alberta and BC also possible Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Unfortunately this would never happen and I would never agree to be part of the US. I got a good laugh though about how we would try to 'get out of paying our share of the debt' isn't that how eastreners see Alberta as a giant bag of money. Alberta's oil is a giant asset, there is a huge amount of oil reserves here it would be enough to keep us going.
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cinch
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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Jul 2002
time: 22:26
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The Senate has the power to delay bills by 90 days. That's it. It's a useless body. Should probably be scrapped, but who cares? |
If it were reformed so that it resembled the American senate, with equal representation from all provinces, then it could act as a counterbalance to the current House of Commons "tyranny of the majority".
Why don't we just call it the House of Lords, then, if we're just going to leave it as is? Calling it the senate is just misleading...
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Neither does anybody else, as far as Alberta's concerned. That means that his strategy just makes him look like a whiner. Even for Quebec the separatism thing stopped working about 5 years ago... |
That's true. I never said his plan would work, but I just can't blame him for trying, you know? Nothing else seems to work.
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KrazyHorse
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Macedonia
May 2001
time: 00:26
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If it were reformed so that it resembled the American senate, with equal representation from all provinces, then it could act as a counterbalance to the current House of Commons "tyranny of the majority". |
The US senate is precisely what I hate about the American system of government. All you're doing by asking for equal senatorial representation from all provinces is handing an inordinate amount of power to PEI, NS, NB, Nfld, Sask and Man.
BC and Alberta are equally well represented (or so) and Quebec and Ontario get the shaft. More than half the people of Canada but only 20% of the representation?
Screw that. There's no reason I can see that the 140 000 people of PEI should have more say than the 140 000 (well, closer to 100 000, but kick in a couple surrounding streets and you're there) people of my old parliamentary district (Lac Saint Louis). It's bad enough that we've grandfathered the distribution of seats, giving PEI 4 instead of the 1 or 2 it deserves.
The US at least has a historical reason for a Senate that's like that; it formed as a union of independent territories. Canada did not. It formed as a single nation and extended its sovereignty wholesale, not piecemeal.
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KrazyHorse
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Macedonia
May 2001
time: 00:26
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When having this discussion a while ago, I suggested a reform I could deal with that didn't just act to blatantly screw over any Canadian who chooses to live in one of the 2 big provinces:
Divide the country up into regions: the West, Ontario, Quebec, Maritimes
Give each region a proportional number of Senators. Say 10% from the Maritimes, 25% from Quebec, 35% from Ontario, 30% from the West.
Use proportional representation in each region to determine its Senators (normally I hate proportional representation, but I'd be willing to live with it for the Senate I'm proposing).
Give this Senate a simple accept/reject power over all legislation passed by the Commons. I'm under the impression that the Senate in the US has much more power, and as far as I'm concerned that's not good; it slows things down too much. They don't propose amendments etc. either; individual Senators or groups of them could make their views known on what changes would be required to change their vote from reject to accept, but the body as a whole wouldn't adopt resolutions like that. If the act of Commons is accepted by the Senate then it goes on to the G-G like normal and gets rubber-stamped. If it's rejected then either the Commons can modify it so that it will pass the Senate or it can get a supermajority in the Commons and pass it over the head of the Senate (2/3 vote sounds good to me) and on to the G-G.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:26
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What we should do with these stupid separatist is give them a swift kick in the butt and make them look at reality.
Look around. Canadians live in one of the best countries in the world where they have access to an incredible quality of life, and all these spoiled brats do is complain.
The Albertan separatists are the worst. They have everything they need. They're not oppressed. They can voice their opinions just like anyone else and be heard, if they're smart about it.
But instead they (and I'm only talking about the separatists) whine and groan about how daddy doesn't listen to them.
It makes me want to puke.
If you want to see real undemocratic government, come to Asia. If you want to hear about oppression, talk to the millions of people who live in real fear where their lives are at stake.
Christ, even the Quebecers once had a valid gripe, 40 years ago when they were treated like second class citizens (although they have no right to complain now). But not these brats.
Look at Asher. He lives in a country where his daddy can become incredibly wealthy. He gets a great education. He has a nice home. He can get a great job. And what does he do. He complains, and complains, and complains.
And what has he done for his country. Nothing I bet.
Even worse, he's constantly complaining and demanding changes, even though he's planning to leave in a few years.
These brats should just shut the **** up. Either that or leave Canada. No one is going to stop them.
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20-02-2003 09:48
You guys have a LOT in common with Quebec... next thing, you'll want to keep the passport and walk out on your share of the debt 
). That said, the CA needs to get it's **** together. If it really wants to make inroads into eastern Canada it needs to put forward a leader and platform a little more palatable.
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