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With massive conscription to prevent the homeland being overrun the US has the follwoing stats. Using propaganda, war censorship and the general want of revenge among the American people the US is working in the American's favour.

Army: Imperial (upgrading in 2 turns)
Navy: Super- Power
Air Force: Large (uprgarding in 1 turn)
Government: Federal Republic
Economy: Booming
Other Projects:
Naval aircraft: (3 turns)
Fortifications throughout North America (2 turns)
Qubecois Independence done
Canadian Independence (complted on peace with Britian)

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Germany - Diplomacy:

To USA: You have paid zero reparations to those of our shipping companies which were hurt, and in one case driven to near bankruptcy, by your criminal acts against neutral shipping. Your blockade has now been broken by force, whatever your military commanders may tell you, and shipping has now resumed as normal. If you pay reparations to us and cease your activity against our shipping, we will withdraw from the conflict. If you fail, we will enter the war in full force, and rest assured that we are not the weak, blundering fools who you seem to describe all your enemies as. Our army and air forces dwarf yours, and our navy more than matches it, even without counting the British, Italian, and Russian forces.

And you must also find a way to get back those 50 million dollars you gave the Russian rebels; we do not take kindly to such subversion against our allies. The rebels are not, never have been, and never will be any more than common bandits and thugs, although of course you can't be expected to break with your own kind...

To Russia (secret): We believe that the time has now come to move against America. Their warmongering has now ignited a new world war which has forced us to intervene against their attacks on our shipping, and they are making direct threats against you. Now that the Trans-Siberian railroad has been rebuilt, we suggest that we send a large force to Vladivostok to guard against the US buildup and potnetially launch a coutner-attack on the US.

Germany - Military Actions:

German troops are continuing to be deploye ditno Russia, and have subdued the rebels throughout the important areas of the country. They are now building up near Vladivostok.

Meanwhile, the German fleet in the Atlantic has finsihed off the few remaining US subs in the western area, and are restricting their oeprations to patrolling that area in order to protect shipping.

Germany - Projects:

The German ASW warfare project is now complete.

The new German colonies in Africa have now been fully industrialized.

Germany - Statistics (early 1926):


Army: Super-Power
Navy: Gigantic (upgrades to Imperial in 1.5 years (3 days))
Air Force: Huge
Space Fleet: N/A
Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Economy: World Leading
Other Projects:
Naval aircraft: 0.5 years (1 day)
Indonesian development & independance: 2.5 years (5 days)
Oil in Indonesia: 1 year (2 days)

German Positions toward countries:
Italy: Very Friendly (allied)
Russia: Best Friends (allied)
Austria-Hungary: Friendly (allied)
Ottoman Empire: Friendly (allied)
UK: Friendly (allied)
France: Normal
Holland: Normal
Japan: Normal
USA: Undeclared war
Brazil: Friendly
Argentina: Normal
Cuba: Cold
China: Normal
Mexico: Normal
Portugal: Friendly (allied)
Spain: Normal.

OOC: Sheep, it would hardly be unrealistic for me to invade America once i had extricated my troops from Russia, as: 1) We have a bigger navy than you alone, enver mind with the support of Russia and Britain, 2) We have carriers (and soon quality naval aircraft), while you don't, 3) We have just developed ASW techniques, 4) We have a potential invasion base in Vladivostok. Also, our army is much bigger than yours, so you would also be at a numerical disadvantage (not to mention a disadvantage in tems of training, tanks, and aircraft), so you cannot possibly claim to have a stronger military than us.

Also, given how small your navy is and the fact that you've just been fighting the British, German, and Italian navies all at once, it's compeltely ludicrous for you to claim that you have 8000 submarines in the Atlantic. This would have required absolutely insane numbers beforehand, to say nothing of the fact that the idea of having that many submarines in the first place is ridiculous.

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quote:
Army: Imperial (upgrading in 2 turns)
Navy: Super- Power
Air Force: Large (uprgarding in 1 turn)
Government: Federal Republic
Economy: Booming
Other Projects:
Naval aircraft: (3 turns)
Fortifications throughout North America (2 turns)
Qubecois Independence done
Canadian Independence (complted on peace with Britian)


Bull ****ing ****. Given that only three years ago your miltiary wasn't close to this big, and you posted zero orders throughout the period since then, it would be patently absurd for you to claimt hat you could jump that many stages overnight - particularly while still maintaining a Booming economy, and aprticularly in the area of the navy and Air Force.

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To United States:
If you attack Russia or your troops land on Russian soil, then this will mean war with the Austrian Hungry empire.

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Many new weapons are being tested for the war effort, including advances in more mobile machine guns, higher altitude bombers, faster and more agile fighters, bigger and better anti-tank cannons and bombs (plane and tank mounted) and better armor. A few of these are nearing the end of their design stages, and with naval superiority re-established, small numbers of these will begin being shipped to Canada within 6 months, Production and shipping will pick up from there and hopefully within 2 years all these designs will begin to be transported in very large quantities. Supply routs to Newfoundland, northern Quebec, and Ontario via the Hudson bay are being reinforced. Small quantities of transports are attempting to get troops and supplies into Western Canada via the Pacific, but with much less success.

OOC: Tacticus is right. You cannot fight three other powers that each have equal or greater strengths than your own and keep winning.
Also note that I will not be back until (Sunday evening GMT) and until then Giovanni or Tacticus can control the British part of the campaign

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To: US
From: Ireland

As we said, we already have our independence, and no, we don't want to break our economic ties with British, cause otherwise our economy would fall on a very deep depression.
And just to let you know, I'm a catholic, and I'm the president of this nation, so I highly doubt that we are dicrimating against Catholic in thic country, and the Protestants are treated very well too, as we know how to peacefully coexist together.

To: US
From: Oman, Yemen, South Africa

We learned to live with the British Empire, they allow us a very large autonomy, and we seriously doubt that if we were to rebel against them in a violent way, we would be allowed to retain our large autonomy.

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Indian Troops land in Perth
The Indian Military have landed in Perth, to help the loyalists in Australia to defeat the rebels, these could hardly resist the new troops, thanks to their better training, and Australia is quickly going back under British control

Revolution in the USA
A Major Revolution happened in the USA, after that many people, even people as young as 16 were drafted in the Army.
All American womens refused to take the spot of their husbands in the factories, and when ordered the Army refused to fire on the ladies, and have joined their side, the US are breaking a part because of this, and many states are now claiming independence from the federal government.
Many chunks of the Navy and Air Force have also joined the Rebellions, and have claimed that the President is a dictator.

OOC: Sheep, I have forwarned you what would have been the consequences of such a huge military build-up (see here), Frozzy and Russia are paying very hard a much smaller one.

Revolutionaries in Russia near defeat
After that the German, Austrian and Italians troops are working to defeat the rebels, and most of all, after that the Russian Army has got back to help them, the Rebels finded themselves outnumbered, and many people have withdrawed their support for the rebels fearing for their lives.
However, a small and very timid delegation from the Artigians of Moscow, have asked the Czar if it was possible to have some sort of a constitution, maybe similar to the German or the Italian ones.

Saluti

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OOC: Forgot to say it, it is now July 1925

(not early 1926 GeneralTacticus )


OOC: I will take care of Britain as a white nation till your return if you want, just PM me some guidelines if you have any.

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Italian Projects
Enlarge Army: 0,5 years (1 days)
Upgrade Economy: 4 years
Train troops for Alpine warfare: 1 year (2 days)

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Italian Stats
Name: Kingdom of Italy
Head of state: King Vittorio Emanuele III
Prime Minister: Giolitti
Government: Monarchy
Economy: Prosperous
Army: Very Large
Navy: Huge
Air Force: Medium
MPP: Emperor's League, Balkan Alliance
Other treaties: Free Movement Project

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Italian attitude toward countries:
Russia: Very Friendly (allied)
Germany: Very Friendly (allied)
Austria-Hungary: Very Friendly (allied)
Ottoman Empire: Best Friend (allied, trading)
UK: Very Friendly (allied)
France: Friendly
Japan: Friendly (trading)
USA: War
Brazil: Friendly
Argentina: Normal to all
Cuba: Cool
China: Normal
Mexico: Normal
Portugal: Normal

Saluti

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After the destruction of the navy, many rebels joined with Argentina. With their help, Argentina and Bolivia have stopped the Brazilian advance.

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Diplomicy:

To: England
We would like to buy Pakistan from you.

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News:
The war with Spain goes well.

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Progects:
Navy to Huge: Complete
Better planes: Done
Air Force to small: Complete
Army to Imperial: Complete
Air Craft Carriers: 1 Years

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Ottoman Empire (light blue)
Ruler: Nimitz
Army: Imperial
Navy: Huge
Air Force: Small
Space Fleet: N/A
Government: Federal Monarchy
Economy: Prosperous

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OOC: geez civman. with all that aid, the navy gets clobbered..

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Brazil withdraws and recognizes the new government of Argentina. With their friends dead, what other purpose is their stay in this foreign nation?

To new Argentinian Government:
If your people accept you, we will too. We wish for no more bloodshed and we recognize your new government. If you wish, we will send aid in both money and food to help rebuild your nation from such a costly civil war.

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To Rebels: The army will be downsized to Super-Power, and wewill announce a new constitution in the near future.

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The Russians are funding the rebels in the US. The government believes that it is in the best interests of the American people that they are freed from a dictator.

OOC: Giovanni, I'll be away for around 5 days, could you look after Russia for me? Thanks

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OOC: I said earlier that it had gotten destroyed. The navy's land forces were making great progress but the navy itself was weakening, and a desparate attack by the new government's ships and a few bombers it managed to make finished off the navy.

Argentina to Brazil: Thank you, and no, we do not want your aid.

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OOC: About the year - oops. I must have moved the date forwards twice at some point.

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Germany - Diplomacy:

To USA: We have now formally declared war upon you.

Germany - Miltiary Actions:

With the US submarine blockade in the Atlantic broken, the German navy is moving westwards towards the American coast. Carrier aircraft have been used against the US navy with much success, as they have no effective defence, and the Americans are taking significant losses without the capacity to retaliate.

Meanwhile, with order largely restored throughout Russia, German troops are moving into Vladivostok and building several large military bases there, while tohers ar ebeing relocated to Greenland and Iceland, in preparation for entry into the land war in Canada.

Finally, Germany is now sending large amounts of money and weaponry, along with commando troops to help with training, to the rebels in America, and si urging the remaining lyal segments of the military to overthrow the US President and avoid total defeat.

Germany - Projects:

The naval aircraft program is now complete.


Germany is now building another five large carriers for the navy. This will be complete in 3 years.

Germany - Statistics (late 1925):

Army: Super-Power
Navy: Gigantic (upgrades to Imperial in 1 year (2 days))
Air Force: Huge
Space Fleet: N/A
Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Economy: World Leading
Other Projects:
Indonesian development & independance: 2 years (4 days)
Oil in Indonesia: 0.5 years (1 day)
5 new carriers: 3 years (6 days)

German Positions toward countries:
Italy: Very Friendly (allied)
Russia: Best Friends (allied)
Austria-Hungary: Friendly (allied)
Ottoman Empire: Friendly (allied)
UK: Friendly (allied)
France: Normal
Holland: Normal
Japan: Normal
USA: War
Brazil: Friendly
Argentina: Normal
Cuba: Cold
China: Normal
Mexico: Normal
Portugal: Friendly (allied)
Spain: Normal.

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To Euros:
We understand your reasoning for war. Still we do not involve ourselves in it, for it does not concern us. But you will not station any troops here in North America after the war, niether will you acquire any new land here, it would be unjustified. The Americans will rebuild their own country with our aid in money and food. You will leave the Americas once you are done wreaking havoc upon it. We wish you luck in your war, but for the sake of world peace, let it be once you've done what you set out to do.


To Britain:
We would like to buy your colonies in South America...

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Germany - Military Actions:

Having effectively driven off the US Atlantic Fleet, the German army and navy is launching a massive landing in northeastern Canada to support the British. US forces have been driven back in some areas already.

Meanwhile, in the Pacific, the part of the German navy which was deployed around Indonesia has mostly been redeployed (while other squadrons of ships are ebing sent via northern Russia) into the central Pacific, and have begun a naval blockade of Hawaii. The German buildup in Validivostok is continuing.

Germany - Projects:

Germany has now discovered oil in Indonesia.

Germany - Statistics (early 1926):


Army: Super-Power
Navy: Gigantic (upgrades to Imperial in 0.5 years (1 day))
Air Force: Huge
Space Fleet: N/A
Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Economy: World Leading
Other Projects:
Indonesian development & independance: 1.5 years (3 days)
Oil in Indonesia: 0.5 years (1 day)
5 new carriers: 2.5 years (5 days)

German Positions toward countries:
Italy: Very Friendly (allied)
Russia: Best Friends (allied)
Austria-Hungary: Friendly (allied)
Ottoman Empire: Friendly (allied)
UK: Friendly (allied)
France: Normal
Holland: Normal
Japan: Normal
USA: War
Brazil: Friendly
Argentina: Normal
Cuba: Cold
China: Normal
Mexico: Normal
Portugal: Friendly (allied)
Spain: Normal.

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I will take his nation if it will reestablish me in the favor of the obviously enraged italian who is running this game.

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Britain to Ottomans and Brazil:

Pakistan and Guyana are autonomous members of the british commonwealth, we cannot simply 'sell' them, perhaps we can work out an arrangement at a later time.

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Cuba to the New American Government:

We wish to sign an alliance. We will help you reestablish peace in your nation.

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Sorry SKILORD I have one thing to say.

As the last act of the rapidly failing democracy the US army has joined the Cuban Army and the American Empire has come into being. On Metaliture's (playing for gooberboob) acceptance, all US lands occupied an non- occupied are to be handed to the Cubans. The new government is to be called the American Empire. Canada is still occupied about to be independent.

This move is in blatant protest to the likes of Gen Tacticus carting nothjing for the strooy only for a startegic win and caring nothing for competition in gaining his win. isn;t it funny how nearly every nes or nation states venture he participates in he wins or comes better out of it. I no longer wish to polay with the likes of he.

As for Giovanni, trying to place a game rooted in historical events is fun but hard. Arab rebellions were common and South African Boers revolted in 1899, 1915 and 1939

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In light of the additional troops, Cuba will return them once an American Alliance that incorporates all the americas is established.

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occ: That means all of the US is now part of the American Empire run from the captial of Havana

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OOC: Ooh, quite an accusation there, Sheep. Would you care to explain how eactly I'm against the story and focussed only on gaining an advantage for myself? Or are you just going to continue to rant and rave, and accuse me of ruining the story because I call you when you do something unrealistic?

EDIT: To say nothing of the fact that your idea of the 'story' appears to be mainly "USA! USA! USA!", and the last time you were convincingly defeated you tried to blow the world up.

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occ: Lets see you are forever having perfect trransitions in everything, no hitches, no civili unrest nothing. In anything. It is not only you but others here, you are just the main offender. Until people stop continually allying in multipe games to help their friends out, so that they and only they win, and not playing like me and some others do, to have fun, and to see what happens if you do this... or that.... then I no longer wish to play here.

This is what civfanatics has over apolyton. They have moderators that allow for certain players eccentricties and make sure not one player is always going to get this at this rate no matter what.

I am sick to death of listening to this bullshit such as Germany being able to invade the USA in 1925, Britian being able to withstand an attack on Canada while a war in Europe was on. The fact that Brazil and Aregtina in 10 years managed to ovrtake all of South America and defeat the USA.

This I find too much. Gen Tacticus go get ****ed.

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OOC: Not hanky uo, I'll let you deal with that. I don't recall you experiencing any civil unrest either until it wa simpsoed on you by Giovanni... and I never tried to pull anything like expanding my navy at around six times the speed that exeryone else was using. As to invading the USA - in case you haven't noticed, in this NES, your army, navy, and air force were all heavily outnumbered, your people were revolting, and your economy would have been in big trouble, so it would hardly be unrealistic to invade the USA.

And as to Brazil and Argentina - they're the two most powerful states in S. America, what problems do you expect them to have in taking the place over (especially when they didn't take all of it over), and when they upgraded to have bigger armies than you, why exactly would they not be able to beat you? Wake up. The USA is not some kind of invincible empire which can do anything it likes. If you want to see the USA winning every time, go read a history book (although if you do you will find that the USA has been shown to be far from invincible...).

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Okay Mr. I'm Always Right, I have tried resasoning with you, I have tried explaing, I have even tried chucking a Gen Tacticus style spack attack. However no you can;t be wrong, how could you be wrong. I am no longer going to be dragged down to your level.

Until certain people want to have fun and don;t care if they win or lose, then I am no longer playing. I couldn;t really give a ****. The fact is some people do therefore making the players here that do want fun to fight back. End result no one has fun and one player is invariably reduced to a flamming match.

All I can say to this player who I have already named is congratulations, You have ruined something that was fun for me, but enjoy your fun as you will have nothing of the sort from somewhere else, not with the Know-all attitude you have.

BTW Stop using the Imperial Fist symbol, thats Copyright of GamesWorkshop Ltd, and you could get Markos into a lot of hot water over it.

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I could just as well ask Markos to take the SMAC leader symbols off the site, because they're copyrighted to Firaxis.

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Okay Mr. I'm Always Right, I have tried resasoning with you, I have tried explaing, I have even tried chucking a Gen Tacticus style spack attack. However no you can;t be wrong, how could you be wrong. I am no longer going to be dragged down to your level.

Until certain people want to have fun and don;t care if they win or lose, then I am no longer playing. I couldn;t really give a ****. The fact is some people do therefore making the players here that do want fun to fight back. End result no one has fun and one player is invariably reduced to a flamming match.

All I can say to this player who I have already named is congratulations, You have ruined something that was fun for me, but enjoy your fun as you will have nothing of the sort from somewhere else, not with the Know-all attitude you have.


I see a lot of personal attacks here, but zero actual substance. You accused m,e of something, I asked you why exactly I was guilty of it, and you replied by saying I was being a 'Knowall' and not caring about having fun. And btw, your accusation of my only caring about winning doesn't work very well, given your ranting about how you couldn't possibly have been defeated here, and your attempt in SNESA 8 to blow the world up because you lost a war.

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Full PM-box? Change here!

Like I said I am not being dragged down to you level anymnore.

SNESA8 is over and done with, however I will let you in on a little secret. I may say somthing but it doesn;t mean it wont be stopped if you are a little creative about the way you do it. Thats what Nesses are all about.

As for this there is no possible way in the space of a year Germany could emerge from a war with France, trust them well enough, Use their navy which was not as big as the Americans, invade America and still call it realistic. It took you 3 days RL to do all that. Jesus, I wish we had your army in World War Two, Hitler would of been dead by the end of September in 1939 and Poland would of survived.

 
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