11-04-2003 06:34									#121
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How about 3 Immortals and 2 spearmen on the move to D'ville? That's still a strong enough force not to be ignored...

	11-04-2003 07:15									#122
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3 Immortals and 4 spearmen - and that is my FINAL offer.

My only concern is that the mil advisor on their side will say we have a stronger military. So we can't lowball the number - it has to be high enough. I think I will load some of the past saves - and I should be able to pinpoint the exact size of their current military within a couple of units.

	11-04-2003 07:57									#123
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OK - done the analysis and have the numbers. Please see Immortal Beloved - Operational Planning for the details and my suggested response.

	11-04-2003 08:28									#124
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Ok, with you latest number crunch (Immortal Beloved - Op Plan Thread), we can report around 17 (this is an underestimate, right?). If it is an underestimate, then I think we can be safe by having GS report seeing 3 Immortals and 4 Spearmen or even 4 Immortals and 3 Spearmen heading towards D'ville.

	11-04-2003 10:35									#125
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Sounds good - I will get back to Ghengis.

	11-04-2003 10:51									#126
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Sent to Ghengis.

Greetings Ghengis.

If you keep this up, you are going to get as bad a reputation as Vox.

Good plan, though. It sounds fine. We were surprised to see the second galley head north over the top of the continent. But, n/p. We have troops landing on the east coast - so you may want to go south of them to cause havoc.

Your timing of 3-5 turns would be good. They will have lots to think about by then.

I reported back to you on the trade aspects earlier.

Regarding troop reports, we have done our analysis on what will be a believable number to GS. If you report a stack of 4 Immortals and 3 spearman on the road south of Elipolis, (excluding Eli on the mountain) it would be consistent with what they can deduce from the game. Thank-you.

All the best, Ghengis.

Regards .... Beta.

	12-04-2003 01:27									#127
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Don't we have a deal with Lego to get Theology and Feudalism for Engineering? If they can not get Feudal from GS we may need to rework the deal.

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	15-04-2003 21:11									#128
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To GhengisFarb today.

Greetings Ghengis!

Maybe 1 vet Immortal and two regular spearmen heading down the road toward Dissidentville.

Targets are in sight - we believe GS still does not have an idea of our numbers. There was a move they could have made last turn which would have given them some idea - but it would have been unusual for them to make it. The speed with which they played their turn was also a good sign that they did not see anything unexpected.

Barring any really unforeseen turn of events - the first GS cities should fall in three turns.

I trust you will have feudalism by then - and will be on the move. The timing should work well, as our attacks and the threat on their capitol should draw their forces north.

Please let me know what your timing and plans look like. Cheers! .... Beta.

	16-04-2003 05:05									#129
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quote: By Calc II: Oh man this war is gonna be fun~ WC VS Immortals. I hope for GS's sake they have plenty of WCs.. cause Vox sure does seem to have a quite alot of immortals.

Calc II posted this in the open forum in Beta's Thread "Vox Daily War Report"...I'm wondering if this was an honest slip of information on the part of Calc and/or GoW...or something more. I wish he hadn't said that we have alot of Immortals (though he did use the word "seem" in his comment...

	16-04-2003 05:54									#130
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Hehe - great minds think alike Witt - it struck me as odd too. Sent this off to GF.

Hi Ghengis. What gives with CalcII's recent post about Vox having a lot of Immortals? Probably no big deal at this point - as GS will find out next turn what is coming their way - but still - it is a bit out of step with the plan.

And - with your falsifying troop reports - it may reveal your hand as well. But then - once feudalism is had - that sort of becomes a moot point as well.

It just seemed to odd. That's all.

Beta.

	17-04-2003 21:22									#131
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Chatted with Ghengis last night.

The northern GoW galley pulled into their city to swap units before heading south.

Their southern galley will now move south.

He could not say whether he had feudalism - his 'deal' with GS prohibited that - but he did say to talk to him in 10 turns.

I got the sense that tensions are building on the continent. It would appear that GoW and NeuD are using all their cash to get ready to upgrade to their UU's.

But he is still committed to helping us against GS.

	18-04-2003 05:07									#132
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And one thing I forgot - I had GoW report one last troop movement - a single regular Immortal heading down the road.

	18-04-2003 06:33									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Betahound Hi Ghengis. What gives with CalcII's recent post about Vox having a lot of Immortals? Probably no big deal at this point - as GS will find out next turn what is coming their way - but still - it is a bit out of step with the plan.

By the way Beta, has there been and formal explanation from GoW concerning Calc's comment?

	18-04-2003 07:11									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Wittlich By the way Beta, has there been and formal explanation from GoW concerning Calc's comment?

Nope - and I forgot to raise it last night. Sorry.

	18-04-2003 07:15									#135
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No problem. Just curious that's all.

	21-04-2003 23:09									#136
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To GoW today:

Greetings Ghengis and Panzer32.

I trust all is well with you. We at Vox would like to know what support is coming to assist us in the war, and when. Your second galley has not re-appeared as of last turn, and you previously mentioned a third, and possible fourth via pop-rush out of Port Isolation. You can appreciate why this info is of interest to us.

Also - some on my team have been inquiring about feudalism. We could use pikemen now. If we are allies, and you are about to declare war on GS, why would you not sell us feudalism now. We can arrange for any pikemen not to arrive on the scene until the same time as you land your horsemen, thus preserving your element of surprise in this.

Can you get back to us shortly on these points. Thanks.

Regards .... Beta.

	24-04-2003 07:28									#137
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Response from Ghengis:

"We landed our first boatload of Horsemen last turn and the second is enroute. The galley's are going back for more loads. I will see what my team says about Feudalism as we agreed to not diclose/trade it for 10 turns."

	24-04-2003 08:53									#138
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I wonder where they landed them at...

	24-04-2003 16:31									#139
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Witt - me too. I think you can tell from the map they sent. But it is key info - as it will dictate whether we should take a few more chances this turn.

In other words - if they have GoW horsemen to worry about as well, I suggest we move down into the flats to break the road tile joinging Arashi to the capitol, and that the three Immortals further back in the mountians move down onto the flats next to Monsoon.

	24-04-2003 16:34									#140
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Sent to Ghengis:

Hi Ghengis. From the map - can I conclude you have landed near Whirlwind - on the un-roaded incense tile SE (keyboard 3) of the city. There is a chariot 6-9 from you if that is the case. But if you have landed there, it will dictate what we do this turn. We will give them more targets than they can deal with. If you are somewhere safer - we wil play conservatively this turn. Please let me know - thanks. ... Beta.

	24-04-2003 16:35									#141
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edit - double post.

	24-04-2003 21:32									#142
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His response:

RE: Re: Details

We landed on a hill ne of the second city down. There are two tiles adjacent to us with GS Worker stacks.

	25-04-2003 05:43									#143
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound There are two tiles adjacent to us with GS Worker stacks.

Interesting...that should send GS into a frenzy!

	26-04-2003 06:10									#145
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sent to GoW:

Greetings Ghengis.

We should stay in touch on a regular basis as we gain intelligence and to plan moves. If you would rather this be through HE or P32, just let me know.

We suspect your horsemen will get attacked this turn. There is one chariot closeby as I indicated - and there may be one or more in Arashi. To help the situation - and knowing you had landed - we went into full exposure mode last turn. Two Immortals moved next to Monsoon on the plains tile. Also - four units moved down to the road tile running east from Arashi and between the two mountains. We also moved up more units on the east coast. And our large stack moved past Arashi to the next mountain down. Our thinking was consistent with the advice HE had provided. Thank-you HE.

Our plan with this move was to give them a number of targets to think about - to force them into some choices. It will hopefully ensure your horsemen don't get killed on the first turn. I think they will go after the stack east of Arashi. Their purpose, if they survive, is to cut that road - and trap the troops in Arashi. It will also cut off the capitol from the luxuries - unless there is a road further south.

We are also trying to draw GS into some battles where Immortals can do some damage. Thay may not take the bait and may only use hit and run tactics from chariots- but even then we should beat up a few chariots.

They have two galleys on the east coast now. Not sure if they are heading north with troops. We are ready if that is the case.

Also - RP has written us and expressed interest in getting involved actively in the war. We said we were interested, We said we have allies - and did not name you specifically - but I gather the word will be out soon.

Talk to you soon - cheers! To Victory! .. Beta.

	26-04-2003 07:58									#146
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From Ghengis:

"Please send a screen shot with the road you want to be pillage marked."

Any thoughts? If we manage to cut the road east of Arashi - I'm not sure what we want cut after that. I'm note even sure that the GoW horsemen will be left standing.

	26-04-2003 17:43									#147
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I sent this instead of the screenshot - my antennae are still tingling a bit a bit about GoW.

Hi Panzer and Donegeal. Greetings from Vox.

Ghengis had asked that I respond to you on which road tile to cut. If Whirlwind is still 'vaacant', that would be my first obejective. If it autorazes - so be it. If not, I'm not sure you have much choice. We could not have substantive defenders there for another 4 turns. I would raze it. Your horsemen would have difficulty holding it - and it is not a good use of their talents.

If it is defended - the road tile keyboard 3 from your landing spot would appear to be the best to cut - it will disconnect all the luxuries in that area from the rest of their civ. We have numerous troops in the area - so there are friends around.

After that - I would suggest you head south to see what havoc you can create.

BTW - be prepared that GS may have redirected sufficient forces to take out both your horsemen. Although we gave them two other targets they should be more concerned about. I trust you saw my earlier note to Ghengis regarding our troop dispositions - if not let me know.

I will get around to the screen shot and marking it up - but I have to bring my system down to replace a wonky power supply.

Take care - all the best. Cheers! To Victory! ...Beta.

	27-04-2003 08:07									#148
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Response from Panze32. Looks like GoW got a rude welcome to the war.

RE: Response to Ghengis
Betahound,

Unnoficial response here, so I don't have any screenshots. GS did get both of our horsemen. Here are the GS troop positions that we see.

Whirlwind: Catapult.
E of Whirlwind: 3 workers, 1 catapult.
NE of Whirlwind: 1 war chariot, 1/4. This is of course one of their troops that got us.
S of Monsoon: Worker.

	28-04-2003 18:46									#149
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I doubt cutting the road E of Arashi will cut the resource route. South of Eye is grasslands (per their description they gave us long ago). I am sure that was filled with cities before they started heading north. The GS border in the area between Arashi and Whirlwind indicates to me there is another city S of Arashi. I am sure they have roads around those cities.

Too bad GoW lost their horsemen. I figured it would happen. They are easier targets and in some ways posed more of a threat than our troops. That is the problem with horsemen landing in enemy territory.

	29-04-2003 04:30									#150
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To Ghengis of GoW:

Greetings Ghengis.

Bit of a setback last turn - we lost 5 immortals on the plains, in addition to your two horsemen.

I would recommend that future insertions be south of Whirlwind - where you will not be immediately reachable by chariots. We have pushed south on the mountains with a large stack of Immortals - and now stradle the two cities of Tempest and Atashi. We will have probably taken a few more casualties next turn - but when we reached it Tempest was defendedonly by a chariot. There will be stronger defence there next turn.

On the upside - we have 13 immortals heading for upgrades in the next few turns - and we will be reviewing how best to use them. Wew may want them to show up enmasse - now that we almost have a road built which will bring us right to Arashi.

No word yet from RP on their involvement.

Which brings me to the last issue - feudalism. Pikemen would be very useful to us in this attack. As we advance - we are getting hit via the road network before the full force of the Immortal attack factor can be brought to bear. And our best defender is a 2. Can we please close the deal on feudalism this turn. You are already at war with them - I'm not sure how trading feudalsim early can damage the relationship now. If you could consider this - it would be appreciated.

And try and get NeuD off their duff. If they think they can sit this out - well - if GS wins this war - that may be the whole ball game. Not sure if they can see that point or not.

Talk with you soon. My regrets about the horsemen. Regards ... Beta.