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Jon Miller
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can we have apicture?
and yah, it was randomly generaeted
JKn Miller
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HarryH
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Olympia, WA
Sep 2002
time: 21:29
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70 AD turn played
Anarchy ends. We are a republic (pic)
Both sliders at 0. -15 gpt.
No trade deals nor did I receive any requests from GoW for investigations.
The Lego MedInf has taken out the barbarian. The Lego swordsmen in the NE loaded on the galley and the galley is on its way back to Legoland.
City of Samaria… oops… Sea Biscuit founded. Laborer on horse hill. Set to build harbor. City of Renewal founded. Laborer on unimproved grassland. Set to build harbor. City of Phoenix founded. Laborer on forest. Set to build library. City of Hope founded. Laborer on fish. Set to build granary. See the rebuilding thread for some discussion about city builds. See the this post post in the Rebuilding thread for an outlook and discussion about the cities.
Galley in NE continues to explore the coast. There is a bunch of sea tiles up there. I wonder if it leads to more land? Galley with settler moving through the straight by Sea Biscuit heading for Panama Vox city site. Galleys by Bob continue moving west.
The two veteran immortals are moving to the SW just in case there are more barbarians down there. The elite Immortal is moving towards The New Voice just to keep him centrally located.
Workers SE of The New Voice built road on hill. Will mine next. Workers N built road on hill. One worker from improved grassland moved NE to complete forest. Other two moved NE to start chopping forest.
Now that we are out of anarchy The New Voice has accumulated its first culture point. Printing Press in 34 turns. We end the turn with 258 gold in the treasury and +1 gpt. Phoenix is losing one shield to waste. Cities of Hope, Memory, and Sea Biscuit are losing one commerce to corruption. Domestic Advisor pic
Pic of Voxtavia
GS and RP have an ROP. GS and RP are at war with GoW and ND. All others are at peace. GS has active trades with RP and Lego. My guess is these are luxury deals but they could include gpt as well. Foreign Advisor Pic
GS has completed The Great Wall in Tempest. This will make it tougher for GoW and ND to crack their cities once GS gets walls in them. Lego has started the Sistine Chapel in Legopolis. A couple of turns ago GoW switched their long time wonder build in Imperial City to Sistine Chapel. I doubt Lego will get it unless they have some deal witih GoW and GoW will switch to another wonder.
Our score histograph (pic) looks like a river that ran into a dam.
Here are a bunch of shots of Bob. You can see that GoW and ND have settled most of the continent. RP has only a couple of cities and a few small towns left.
GoW Island pic
GoW West pic
GoW East pic
ND Central pic
RP West pic
RP East pic
Last edited by HarryH on 08-08-2003 at 22:50
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Beta
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Prowling in a PBEM near you!
Nov 2002
time: 00:29
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Yup - as usual Harry - you are right. If I replay the 50bc turn, with the investigation, we end up with 43 gold. And we start the next turn with 148, which is 10 short of the 43+115 (gow payment), because, of course, GS took The Voice and 10 gold, which they repay this turn as part of the peace deal, bringing our balance back up to 158.
OK - the math works. And it looks like GoW and us are square.
But how did the mechanics of the trade work. That is what I doi not understand. They sent 115 gold as two lump sums - 85 and 30 I think, and wines. As my turn notes indicate, I did not accept the deals as we did not need the wines. And not accepting is one reason our treasury was so low when GS took the Voice - which looked good by the way for the 60 gold. 
I can't modify the deal at all. I can't even add engineering to the deal because it doesn't come up until later in the turn.
So - it looks like it did happen - I just don't know how.
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Beta
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Prowling in a PBEM near you!
Nov 2002
time: 00:29
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I've informed GoW and asked them to confirm what shows up when they open that turns game save, and what they did to finalize the deal.
They will be relieved to find they do not owe us the cash.
My note:
H_E- this is strange. But good news for you. We have worked out the math, and we did receive the 115 gold, in the same way that the calculation from your end indicates that it did get paid. So we are all square.
The strange part is that we can't figure out how the deal happened. The cash does show up in our treasury to start the next turn. And the two diplo moves I made were to send the 115 gold AND wines back to you unaccepted (we didn't get enegineering until later that same turn - given the way the turn works) and later I sent engineering accepted, by itself. So what Harry and I are trying to figure out is how you were able to add the gold to the deal, and still have it shown as accepted by us.
Here it is in other words - excerped from our forum. My inquiry followed by Harry's response:
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So - it looks like it did happen - I just don't know how.
I don't know how either. I checked the 50 BC save you sent. It starts up with a trade deal from GoW containing 85 gold, wines, and 30 more gold. The deal is unaccepted. We do not have engineering yet so we can not put that on the deal. The game will not let you skip the deal to come back to it later. You must respond, so what I said about modifying the deal is not right. After the GoW trade the deal from Lego with Theology comes up. Then the game goes through the city stuff and we get engineering. The only thing I can think of is that we sent a deal for engineering accepted and then GoW modified the deal to add gold, and maybe the game figures that if you accepted nothing that accepting more must be OK so it leaves it accepted and GoW completes the deal. Sometime if I find the time I might try to setup a scenario to verify if this is possible. Whether that is how it happened or not, the money works out to show that we did get paid. |
So - can you verify that when you open that turns save, what deal is on the table, or what you did (if anything) other than accept to make the deal work.
Obviously no rush on this - but it is an interesting study in the game mechanics.
Sorry to bug you guys when you had in fact paid up. It was the way that it happened that confused us. But the math and pluses and minuses verify that we did receive it.
Looking forward to getting to the bottom of this... regards ...Beta.
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01-08-2003 05:31
After that I will be gone every weekend through October, and maybe some weekends in November too, for dog activities and the possiblity of a vacation in early October. I will check in during the week between dog activities. I don't know if I will have internet access in Florida. I will have my laptop with me and should have my wireless network working by then. The resort the conference is at is pretty high priced for my tastes. If internet access is not free with the room my guess is it will cost too much to make it worth while.
Looks like I'm the one to be fired....
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