30-07-2003 21:02									#121
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PMed Panzer32 with the following message:

quote: Hello, Panzer! With your public declaration of war on GS, I believe it is time to start talking about the details of our business. I would imagine that a trilateral chat of Lego + ND + GoW would be useful now. Off the cuff, here is a couple of points we would like to discuss (NONE of them are requests or demands! many of them are just ideas we'd like to know your opinion on!). 1) Lego unit help: catapults for capture, worker transfers/exchanges 2) Lego gold help: this is something we do not have much of ATM, but if you urgently need some gold, we might put something together 3) mutual help: tech exchange (Astronomy for Invention) 4) mutual help: luxury exchange (once we discover Astronomy, we could provide you with our dyes) 5) troop transfer: we believe we should start moving our troops to Bob almost immediately, gathering them somewhere well behind the front lines, assembling a stack that will be able to strike at GS, should they advance into your/ND core territory. With a "fleet" consisting currently of two galleys only, it will take some time, even if we plan to build a couple of caravels ASAP. 6) possibility of establishing a stronghold on Bob - just one small, coastal, no-culture city with walls/barracks meant only for recovery/upgrading of our troops. Would be abandoned or handed over to you after the war. 7) Right of Passage agreements Other ideas/topics would emerge in the chat, I imagine... Cheers, vondrack P.S.: a very similar PM sent to Darekill/ND.

	01-08-2003 02:37									#122
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Just in case you wonder how Imperial City looks like...

	13-08-2003 03:28									#123
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A short email update from Hot Enamel:

quote: 70ad We used 3 riders to do a stack of Pillaging - Basically cutting off GS from RP. GS/RP tried to sink our east coast galleys, but failed. 90ad Upon opening the save .. we lost 1 of the 3 riders to GS Still no GA ... We cant find any units to kill, and we dont feel wasting our riders throwing them against fortified GS Pikes in cities. 5 turns from Invention @-48gpt 9 turns from finishing sistines GS/RP sank our galleys on the east coast...we were trying to get them home for healing & defense We have no navy left on our east coast..(no roads & cities defended by reg MI as well 110ad We will probably lose the last 2 pillaging riders .. they are on a mountain... maybe we will get lucky and start our GA 4 turns from invention Our moves this turn will be very interesting We will either fail and lose our entire Rider force.. or achieve a devastating blow to the RP/GS alliance

	13-08-2003 10:03									#124
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Wonder what this devastating blow is? My guess it's a direct attack on Pamplona, but I'm wrong alot (just ask my wife )

	13-08-2003 12:28									#125
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Panzer32 PMed with the following message:

quote: Hello, Panzer! Just to briefly let you know that we shall be posting a public announcement about our support of the new Voxian settlements on Legos Minor. It is something that has been planned for and promised to Vox a long time ago and basically says nothing else but that they are under our protection (which, ATM, means very little, as nobody is threatening them) and that anybody messing with them will have to mess with us, too. Who knows, if we are lucky, we may confuse the GS strategists a little bit regarding Lego current 'urgent' business and short-term goals. You can safely ignore the announcement, it is not meant to threaten GoW in any way, as we very well know your eyes are focused elsewhere... Wish you good luck for this turn! vondrack

	20-08-2003 00:00									#126
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A brief message from Aggie, the new Emperor of GoW (he checked with me earlier today and I informed him of the Astro being available, our negotiations with GS, and the earlier departure date for our first LEF group):

quote: I am glad to inform you that we are 1 turn from invention, and that it will be sent immediately upon completion next turn. I also sent wines if you need it. Maybe it could push some cities into WLTK.Also I really see no need for astronomy as of now for us(it could give GS a hint of cooperation). That is good news about Gs, I suspect they are spending more than they like to support RP's army and upgrade units and that has slowed their research. Also do not be alarmed if you see us and Nd at war. This was done to allow us to build hordes of Horse for upgrade to surprise GS. Assuming Gs doesn't get Leos(something that I don't think will happen,since they can't get invention before we finish) we will be in good shape. Glad to hear about the knights too. The more forces here, the more it frees up of ours to head south. Sincerly and with best wishes, Aggie(Emperor of Glory of War)

	20-08-2003 01:34									#127
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Good news a-plenty! We get invention, we don't have to give them astro yet, we get wines, and they're keeping GS bogged down! I will pen a response for them shortly.

	10-09-2003 17:12									#128
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Today's communications with GoW:

quote: I am embarrassed to say that I forget how long until GP. The reason I am asking is that I was figuring upgrades etc and was trying figure when the 25gpt ends. With it we are able to upgrade 2 every turn and on the 4th we can upgrade 3. Without it we can upgrade 3 everyturn. Just curious. FYI I am seeing 310/330 as the begining of the major offensive in the south. A large GS force (8knight/8pike/8catapult) has begun moving in the south. An attack was considered last turn, but we could only bring 8 full riders and 12 answars to attack. Next turn we will have 13 full riders if needed.(I don't know if ND will have additional Answars). Also GS has gifted Toledo back to RP. You will also notice that us and ND will be at war in the next save, as you probably guess this is strictly for iron purposes. We might take you up on your iron offer soon. Then we will just declare war for a turn to get it cut off. This assumes that no one can see the war. The only problem with doing this with nd is that it bothers the ROP and can slow down our movement and since we are on their tiles, their production. So probably after this round of war/peace/iron we will use your iron. I normally would frown on such "artificial wars", but since GS always stated that the 20 turn trades were artificial and not binding to them, I figure its acceptable for all of us. Aggie

I took the liberty of handling this on my own - we are not strapped for cash and every GoW rider fighting the GS troops makes our own knights less likely to get into real action:

quote: Hello, Aggie! We will discover gunpowder on Turn 142 (270AD), so you will receive it from us on Turn 143 (290AD). As for money - if it is important, you can stop sending the gold at once. We still have some moderate savings allowing us to fund the rest of the fast research and finish our own upgrades (just one more horse to go). Plus, we should cash a barb camp in 2 turns, further improving our balance. As for iron - feel free to ask at any time. Cheers, Radek aka vondrack

And Aggie's response:

quote: Thanks very much. The extra gold will help quite a bit. It will allow us to send a 10 rider force south in 290 instead of a 8 rider force(for a total of 32 riders in the south). Only 2 difference, but that 2 gives a little more margin of error for this force(Since I have a special mssion in mind for this force and it will be on its on more or less). Sounds like you have everything in good shape in Legoland. I'll just Pm when we need iron. Best wishes, Aggie

	10-09-2003 17:34									#129
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Pretty exciting the life in south Bob, don't you think ?

	10-09-2003 17:37									#130
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I think we really started in the right place for a builder team...

I am sooooo glad we do not have to face all these riders and ansars ourselves...

	27-09-2003 12:16									#131
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Short message from Aggie:

quote: I was unable to move the worker in your units path, since even if I activated him he still would have been stuck where he was. Just wanted you to know so you could plan movement. Also could you send Iron this turn. I don't know if we'll need to accept but it would be a good backup if we need it. I am still debating if I want to upgrade this turn or wait another turn. As always best wishes. Aggie

	27-10-2003 12:55									#132
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Brief PM from Aggie:

quote: Could you please send iron next turn. when it is time for us to break it this time, we'll provide a worker. thanks. Patrick

	12-01-2004 17:05									#133
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Alright... should we proceed with the AS plan as introduced in the Next Turn thread (and so far, the initial feedback seems to be positive), we better start massaging GoW for tech deals, ensuring they do not divert from their proclaimed Military Tradition beeline.

ATM, we would be looking for trading Banking + gold for Chemistry. There is a beaker difference of almost 200b between the techs, so we should throw in some extra gold, if for nothing else, then to at least acknowledge we know the techs are different price. I would start at Banking + 100g for Chemistry, to be exchanged upon the discovery of Chemistry. Negotiable up to 150g extra, but that would make me a little bit upset, as we'd be paying almost the full nominal beaker difference. Not that it would matter that much - should that be the key part allowing to strike the deal as described below, I'd not haggle over the amount in gold too much.

Important part goes here: I would ONLY strike this deal in case we make it Part I of a two-part deal, incorporating a follow-up trade of Astronomy + gold for Metallurgy. This is important in order to keep GoW from researching Economics, potentially becoming our AS competitor. We would also ensure that we could research Military Theory at any time (or have Voxes research it for us). There is, again, a beaker cost difference of almost 200b between the techs, so I'd go for the same extra gold payment as in the Banking/Chemistry deal.

If they ask for 250g extra (125g+125g) for both techs, I'd take it. The strategic importance of keeping GoW on the path we want them to follow is, IMHO, well worth the money.

The trade agreement proposal would have to include a wording that would oblige GoW to go for Metallurgy right after completing Chemistry (if they take it, good, if not, we'd at least know they intend to try something else and could prepare for that).

We better start doing something about this NOW, before someone else decides to do Banking, lowering the market prices or prearranging any deals.

	13-01-2004 09:39									#134
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Received from UnO:

quote: Greetings ZargonX! Just wanted to drop you guys a line, as I have recently been promoted to the new Consul of Foreign Affairs along with the promotion of Master Zen to Emperor. As such, I hope to be speaking with you all allot more in the near future, and hope we can continue our history that has been mutually beneficial to this point. What is the current structure of your government? Is there a designated person I should be contacting? etc. Respectfully UnOrthOdOx

	13-01-2004 09:44									#135
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My response:

quote: Greetings, friend from across the sea! First of all, congratulations on your promotion! Since we at Lego abolished all formal government structure, I haven't had many opportunities to get promoted unless I make up the office myself. Ah well. In terms of contact, feel free to contact myself or Vondrack. Vondrack has been handling most of the official team chats, but I am also available during different hours than him, as well as by PM. Good luck in your new position, and the people of Lego look forward to carrying on the proud tradition of cooperation between our two nations! -ZargonX

	16-01-2004 03:23									#136
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The GoW-specific part of the regular Thursday chat:

quote: Session Start: Thu Jan 15 21:10:22 2004 Session Ident: aggie vondrack: I got a clearance to arrange a trade for chemistry vondrack: not sure if it should be kept just between ourselves or not... aggie: i am thinking it probably should though in the future some trading with gs can take place i guess vondrack: oh.... I meant... not sure if ND is to be able to follow our negotiation vondrack: what you do about Chemistry is pretty much your own business aggie: well they've been sending money to help so I think I better give it to them. vondrack: I see, ok aggie: how is you tech going vondrack: we have Banking ready for trading ATM vondrack: and I am authorized to make you an offer vondrack: lemme check the exact gold amount aggie: ok aggie: also i think we'll go for metalugy now vondrack: that would be very cool vondrack: 'cause what we would be looking would be like this: vondrack: Banking + 100 gold for Chemistry, coupled with a future deal... vondrack: Astronomy + 100 gold for Metallurgy vondrack: I understand that you no longer hold the Emperor post, so I assume you will take the offer to your team and discuss it vondrack: right? aggie: yes, but it seems excellent offer vondrack: if you like it, the more happy I am vondrack: I can PM you a more formal offer, if you wish vondrack: that would perhaps be best vondrack: just like we were doing it hundreds of years ago aggie: sounds like a good idea. vondrack: will do right after the chat aggie: btw GS now has astronomy vondrack: oh, really? that's interesting vondrack: what the hell they need it for... vondrack: other techs could make more sense... aggie: i agree but i guess they want navigation asap , humm I wonder why vondrack: hehe... might be we could soon need your help, too aggie: sure thing vondrack: let's start with getting our boys home... we are now average vs. GS, so even if they invaded, it should be a close match vondrack: as long as they invade alone, that is aggie: yah yall can hold them off pretty good, esp since no GP for them vondrack: btw... if GS has Astronomy now, we could deliver Astronomy to you even before you finish your Metallurgy research vondrack: you'd get Banking and Astronomy and 100 gold now vondrack: 100 more gold upon the delivery of Metallurgy aggie: that would be much appreciated aggie: that gold could help upgrade catapults to cannons too or too help research vondrack: cool aggie: i think the tech research paths make good sense now. We'll do the lower and trade you for the upper vondrack: yup vondrack: Aggie, shall I send the PM with the trading proposal to you or to UnO? vondrack: or both? vondrack: I understand he was appointed your CoFA vondrack: so perhaps we should go through him? aggie: either way will work vondrack: k, will PM you both aggie: i see no problem with it though. it seems fair vondrack: with the only minor exception (the deal involving no-Sistine), trading with GoW was very easy vondrack: for warmongers, you are pretty good traders aggie: aren't we, we hardly live up to our namee vondrack: lol vondrack: yes vondrack: until this war, the name was more of an advertising slogan... aggie: sadly it was, thats why i returned to bring glory and war back vondrack: Session Close: Thu Jan 15 22:12:25 2004

	16-01-2004 03:31									#137
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And here we go with the trade proposal to be PMed:

quote: Legoland-GoW Banking+Astronomy/Chemistry+Metallurgy trade agreement 1) Legoland agrees to provide GoW with Banking, Astronomy, and a balance in gold. GoW agrees to not resell/trade/gift these techs to any other party for 20 turns from receiving them. 2) GoW agrees to provide Legoland with Chemistry and Metallurgy (which shall be its next research goal after completing the research of Chemistry). Legoland agrees to not resell/trade/gift Chemistry to any other party for 20 turns after receiving it. Legoland agrees to not resell/trade/gift Metallurgy to any other party for 20 turns after receiving it. 3) The trade shall happen as follows: once GoW discovers Chemistry, it shall be offered as 'unaccepted' to Legoland. Legoland shall counter with Banking, Astronomy, and 100 gold, 'accepting' the deal on its part. GoW shall then finalize the first part if the trade by 'accepting' it. Immediately after GoW discovers Metallurgy, it shall be offered as 'unaccepted' to Legoland. Legoland shall counter with 100 gold and 'accept' the deal on its part. GoW shall then finalize the whole deal by 'accepting' it, too.

OK?

	16-01-2004 06:04									#139
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This leaves... Physics + ToG + Magnetism to get into the Ind Era?

	16-01-2004 13:00									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep This leaves... Physics + ToG + Magnetism to get into the Ind Era?

Yup.

	16-01-2004 13:15									#141
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PM sent to Aggie & UnO.

	16-01-2004 22:26									#143
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Sounds good

	22-01-2004 12:28									#144
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Our deal with GoW is a go, too:

quote: vondrack wrote on 20-01-2004 20:11: Hello, Aggie! Opening the 480 AD Lego save, I am getting an 'unaccepted' offer of Chemistry from GoW. Does this mean GoW officially accepts our trade proposal as outlined in my previous PM to you? Be so kind and confirm that either yourself or through UnO, your CoFA. Thanks, vondrack

quote: Yes, your trade offer is most acceptable. Sorry for the delay in replying, I've been quirte busy and when I am on, my pop up blocker is getting the"you have a new PM" message. Best wishes Patrick

	20-02-2004 15:18									#145
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Good news from GoW:

quote: Session Start: Thu Feb 19 22:19:24 2004 Session Ident: MasterZen Session Ident: MasterZen (~raguil@200.92.232.18) MasterZen: we've agreed to trade Mil. Tradition to you guys vondrack: cool vondrack: what's the price? MasterZen: well, whatever difference there is, lemme check vondrack: difference to what? not sure if we spoke about the tech you'd ask in return... MasterZen: ahh... ToG? vondrack: no problem MasterZen: cool vondrack: any delivery deadline set? MasterZen: 2 turns for us vondrack: would be 6 for us, I believe - still on Physics ourselves. Is that a problem? vondrack: ToG is 1632 beakers, MilTrad is 1536 MasterZen: nope, not at all MasterZen: we'll trade when you're ready, helps us stash some gold for the difference also vondrack: ah... I guess we could do without the extra gold - as a gesture of good will vondrack: we are not exactly short of money MasterZen: ah perfect then MasterZen: filthy rich bastards vondrack: vondrack: do you wish us to PM a draft of the trade agreement, as usually? MasterZen: ok vondrack: will do Session Close: Thu Feb 19 23:47:37 2004

	20-02-2004 15:24									#146
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I am following up with the trade agreement draft:

quote: Hi, MZ! Standard wording - the only thing to note is that I made you start the trade procedure (allows us to deliver Theory of Gravity to you as 'accepted' one turn earlier): quote: Legoland-GoW Magnetism/Military Tradition trade agreement 1) Legoland agrees to provide GoW with Theory of Gravity. GoW agrees to not resell/trade/gift Theory of Gravity to any other party for 20 turns from receiving it. 2) GoW agrees to provide Legoland with Military Tradition. Legoland agrees to not resell/trade/gift Military Tradition to any other party for 20 turns from receiving it. 3) The trade shall happen as follows: in 670AD (Turn 183) GoW shall offer Military Tradition to Legoland as 'unaccepted'. Legoland shall immediately counter with Theory of Gravity, accepting the deal on its part. GoW shall then (in 680AD, Turn 184) finalize the trade by accepting it, too. We would appreciate having the agreement 'signed' and PMed back to us before we get to play our next turn (as that is when we are going to start with our next tech - which will, if the trade agreement is ratified, be Theory of Gravity). Best regards, vondrack

	20-02-2004 20:26									#147
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Excellent Good call with the "keep your extra gold," V. Way to sweet talk them

	23-02-2004 12:00									#148
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Master Zen has finally checked his PMs...:

quote: (sorry, forgot to check my PMs....) The agreement is hereby ratified by the Glory of War. May the relationship between our mighty empires be long and prosperious. -MZ

	23-02-2004 15:18									#149
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As they say, it is necessary to get behind someone, before you can stab them in the back

	23-02-2004 20:03									#150
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I was thinking about it, and I see two possible motivations for GoW giving us MT. They either still really are being friendly with us, or they are setting up a situation in which GS and ourselves will potentially pound each other around quite a bit. They may be playing both sides, hoping we'll eventually weaken each other. There is, I suppose, also the off chance they be hoping to win us over in an eventual conflict with ND. Let's just hope they really are just being nice