20-03-2003 10:39									#181
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen Is there a difference between an atrocity commited by a uniformed soldier and a terrorist?

No, but every act committed by a terrorist is an atrocity. Not every act commited by a uniformed soldier is.

Or maybe, I should take to disliking people who wear blue shirts and blow them up. That would be good. Civies, blowing up other civies is not good form. No matter how justified you think they are.

	20-03-2003 10:39									#182
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So does the Israeli government!!!

DUH!

(this is like the umpteenth time i've gone through this terrorist debate in the last couple of months)

	20-03-2003 10:39									#183
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I hate you all for make me read a 9 page thread in so little time

Anyway I'm just sad because today, our only international organization that could solve problems between nations in a pacific way has died by the american and british hand.

Let see if Blair & Bush comes with some new idea to rebuild the UN... yeah right

	20-03-2003 10:41									#184
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither No. A terrorist is a piece of excrement who skulks around in civies trying to kill civilians, rather than confronting uniformed forces who could defend themselves. They are the worst form of vile creatures. Do not insult those who confront soldiers in rebellions by associating them with such vermin.

Oh great, those guys blow-up apartment buildings in several Russian cities, took just-born children, their mothers and doctors as hostages (like it was in 1996) or took hundreds of people who came to watch misical hostages (Nord-Ost musical tells you about something?) And their "military" leadership, their so-called president called this as "unique military operations". No, those guys freedom fighters, how anyone dare to call them terrorists?

	20-03-2003 10:41									#185
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I think some people need to chill...

Having opinions is ok... but it's how you say them that might get you banned...

So just chill and tone it down.

	20-03-2003 10:41									#186
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The Sanctions against Iraq. Are they targeted to the Iraqi leadership? Noooo. They are targeted at the Iraqi people, over one million mostly women and children have died. Is that not an atrocity commited through legal means?

	20-03-2003 10:42									#187
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The UN was killed by France and Chile! They are the real threat to international peace! We must not let them destroy the international legal regime through their arrogance!

	20-03-2003 10:43									#188
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Another poor example. Saddam has built several mult-billion dollar palace complexes during the whole time the sanctions have been in effect so don't even try and blame it on the US.

He could have spent that money on his people.

	20-03-2003 10:43									#189
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Yes, it seems like that "Saddam" is either a double or that's just tape made in the last 48 hours "just in case"....No way to know for sure though...

	20-03-2003 10:44									#190
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quote: Originally posted by Ming I think some people need to chill... Having opinions is ok... but it's how you say them that might get you banned... So just chill and tone it down.

Personally I have no inconvenience with how this debate is going along (even though I have practically the entire forum against me ). There are no personal insults or attacks. (so far...) As far I think, it's a pretty sane discussion about a very hot topic.

	20-03-2003 10:44									#191
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Master Zen it sounds like you are affected by all sorts of propaganda. Only difference is that the stuff you are buying into, you think is right.

	20-03-2003 10:45									#192
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Don't bring me that crap Drake.. Chile's resolution was accepted by Blair and Chirac, it was the only resolution "in the middle" to keep the peace and solve the problem avoiding the war, but Bush dismissed in just a couple of hours. Is a shame that your president is commited to war and not to peace... what a leader

	20-03-2003 10:45									#193
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Oh great, those guys blow-up apartment buildings in several Russian cities, took just-born children, their mothers and doctors as hostages (like it was in 1996) or took hundreds of people who came to watch misical hostages (Nord-Ost musical tells you about something?) And their "military" leadership, their so-called president called this as "unique military operations". No, those guys freedom fighters, how anyone dare to call them terrorists?

No, they are terrorists, Serb. And Russia enjoys my full support in going after them where ever they hide out.

If some former republic hides them, go get 'em! Bravo. Neither they, nor the regimes that hide them are legitimate.

	20-03-2003 10:46									#194
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen When exactly did Russia voluntary give Chechnya independence? If I don't recall it was because they lost the first war...

Chechnya declared independence along with the other former Soviet republics. However, Chechnya itself was never itself a Soviet republic; it did so unilaterally. However, it remained autonomous for the most part up until '94, when the crisis escalated.

Fact is, the Chechen rebels didn't help themselves by capturing Russians and threatening to execute them on television. Or by calling out for Muslim martyrdom.

If both sides could have been a little more cool-headed, maybe some negotiations and concessions folowing could have been made at the table, with Chechnya receiving at the least, more autonomy; as long as it let us keep our interests over the oil pipelines.

	20-03-2003 10:46									#195
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen BTW, is it just me, or did Saddam look like a fake double in his latest speech?

Maybe those fifty cruise missles with a bunker buster follow up did their jobs, after all (hopehopehope).

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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Master Zen it sounds like you are affected by all sorts of propaganda. Only difference is that the stuff you are buying into, you think is right.

Not anymore than you think the propaganda you've bought is right too.


If I didn't think I was right I wouldn't be posting, neither would any of you (well except Drake... )

	20-03-2003 10:46									#197
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten The UN was killed by France and Chile! They are the real threat to international peace! We must not let them destroy the international legal regime through their arrogance!

You need some rest Drake. This heroin stuff might kill you.

	20-03-2003 10:47									#198
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quote: Not anymore than you think the propaganda you've bought is right too. If I didn't think I was right I wouldn't be posting, neither would any of you (well except Drake... )

Ya but I readily admit I'm affected by it.

You told us you're above it all.

Big difference.

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quote: Don't bring me that crap Drake.. Chile's resolution was accepted by Blair and Chirac, it was the only resolution "in the middle" to keep the peace and solve the problem avoiding the war, but Bush dismissed in just a couple of hours. Is a shame that your president is commited to war and not to peace... what a leader

All Chilean lies! Thinking people can see your nation as the threat to international peace that it really is! The brainwashed people of Chile may believe the lies flowing out of Santiago, but not I!

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quote: Originally posted by Lord Merciless This post demonstrates the utter ruthlessness and hypocrisy of Russians.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Looks like some people just can't take a joke.

And anyway, I'm not Russian, I'm Ukrainian by birth, so there.

	20-03-2003 10:51									#201
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Ya but I readily admit I'm affected by it. You told us you're above it all. Big difference.

Everyone buys a little bit of everything. Soak up on different opinions and form your own, that's the best remedy against propaganda.

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten All Chilean lies! Thinking people can see your nation as the threat to international peace that it really is! The brainwashed people of Chile may believe the lies flowing out of Santiago, but not I!

If all Chilean people lies, well what can I say of Americans?? come on!!!
Show me the link betwee Al Qaeda and Irak...

America has destroyed the international right and haven't follow the UN resolutions. Plus, why did you create an investigation team if you didn't let them work.

Is a shame that you really believes that my government lies but yours not.

	20-03-2003 10:55									#203
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I can hear jets and helicopters flying patrols over Washington. Last time we had that was 9/11.

Looks like we've officially stuck our foot in it. All we can do now is hope for the best for those involved.

	20-03-2003 10:57									#204
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Everyone is involved.
The death of system of inernational security which UN security concil provided for many years will affect everyone.

	20-03-2003 10:57									#205
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Nevermind.

	20-03-2003 11:00									#206
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I thought SimCountry was Civilization

	20-03-2003 11:00									#207
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Propaganda: There is in the other games forum. Many of us are playing on the White Giant world.

	20-03-2003 11:01									#208
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Adam:

Do you know about any major protests happening on the Hill tomorrow? I'd like to do some protest watching during my lunch break or at least avoid getting caught in a mini-riot....

	20-03-2003 11:01									#209
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quote: Originally posted by Chilean President Is a shame that you really believes that my government lies but yours not.

Chile is a well known agressor. Why should I believe the lies of a nation that still occupies land stolen from Peru and Bolivia during the War of the Pacific? It's quite obvious that Chile wants to break down the international system of laws so that they can continue their aggressive wars of conquest!

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quote: Originally posted by Serb Everyone is involved. The death of system of inernational security which UN security concil provided for many years will affect everyone.

Your pessimism is noted. Good thing it is not certain.

The UN has survived many military actions not sanctioned by the UN in the past. Almost all of them, in fact. Nothing indicates that the same is not true now.