28-03-2003 00:16									#31
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quote: (BETTER get Mike’s!)

Hey, no weaseling allowed! If your society believes in human sacrifice you can't work around it. Hmmmmm…
Amendment: Happiness wonders must be built entirely by disbanding Set/Engrs (stockpile, switch to wonder, disband all in one turn)!!!

Edit:On further reflection I amend the Human Sacrifice Rule again to be not quite so extreme on the Happiness Wonders. Only one sacrifice per 70 shields cost should be required, rounded up. So,

200 = 3
300 = 5
400 = 6
600 = 9

This amounts to one sacrifice paired with each camel/freight worth of investment.

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	28-03-2003 01:14									#32
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20 settlers to build Mike's....

	28-03-2003 02:01									#33
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Hmmm maybe happiness wonders won’t be a problem -- we’ll just have to capture them.

Looking at the tech tree, the first few techs seem reasonable -- Alpha, CB, BW & CL; however it looks a little different from my usual. Assuming no techs from huts or trade, I see the tree as:

1 Alphabet
2 Ceremonial Burial
3 Bronze Working
4 Code of Laws
5 Horseback Riding
6 Currency
7 Masonry
8 Construction
9 Map Making
10 Mysticism
11 Mathematics
12 Astronomy
13 Monarchy
14 Polytheism
15 Pottery
16 Seafaring
17 Navigation
18 Warrior Code
19 Feudalism
20 Iron Working
21 Bridge Building
22 Chivalry
23 Wheel
24 Engineering
25 Writing

I went through my tech chart & checked for the oedo factor -- Writing arrives as expected (63 techs have Writing as a direct or indirect prereq.

Only a few days brefore the game begins...

	28-03-2003 02:04									#34
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Maybe if we can just get Pottery just before Straybow’s set of turns…

	28-03-2003 12:13									#35
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If you let me in, my rule will be: 'one move' units can only move 'orthogonal'; 'two (and 3) moves' units can only move 'diagonal'

	28-03-2003 12:18									#36
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette If you let me in, my rule will be: 'one move' units can only move 'orthogonal'; 'two (and 3) moves' units can only move 'diagonal'

Just for clarification - will this rule apply when following rivers, roads and (if we ever get them) railroads?

RJM at Sleepers

	28-03-2003 12:25									#37
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If '1 move': you are allowed to press 2, 4, 8,or 6.
If '2 moves': you are allowed to press 1, 7, 9 or 3.
... as simple as that

(yet, I don't intend to prohibit the 'goto' command, ... or should I?)

Last edited by La Fayette on 28-03-2003 at 12:40

	28-03-2003 12:34									#38
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Don't worry - be happy

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	28-03-2003 12:51									#39
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Edited in case content caused offence

RJM at Sleepers

Last edited by rjmatsleepers on 29-03-2003 at 11:46

	28-03-2003 13:27									#40
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rjm:

I've not noticed any problems, but do be aware, 'Poly does not endorse that patch.

Might want to edit your post before ming pays us a visit.

	28-03-2003 15:38									#41
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Ok, my rule is simple. After much thought. Until the development of leadership, all units built must have a defensive value equal to or greater than their offensive value.

Note the key word here is built

	28-03-2003 17:32									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man (extended original, maybe a redux of the Invasion Earth game that I have fond memories for).

Fond memories
It was the longest game ever
No silly rules at the start, but it looks like the players did impose more than a few on themselves

	28-03-2003 18:21									#43
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Atomant proposes that, until dragoons, we build only settlers, dips, warriors, phalanx, and pikes.

Is that right,.a-man?

Edit: JULIUS appears!!! Welcome back, man!

	28-03-2003 20:18									#44
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette (yet, I don't intend to prohibit the 'goto' command, ... or should I?)

Afterthought: of course I should

NO 'GOTO'

	28-03-2003 21:09									#45
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Wouldnt it be more fun to have every unit on mandatory goto/autosettlers?

	28-03-2003 21:16									#46
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Old n Slow -- Trucks go west
STYOM -- Research techs in order
atawa -- Must change government every four years
Straybow -- Happiness is giving blood
rjmatsleepers or Jrabbit (classic or MGE)
La Fayette -- Move like a drunk
and after six weeks,
atomant -- Build units with a defensive attitude

Maybe grigor (needs a compatable version of civ II)
(patashu confirmed lurker)
(Bloody Monk confirmed lurker)

Jrabbit -- We can build muskets & fanatics, but not rifles -- triremes are OK, but I think we may have a problem with caravels.

La Fayette -- iirc, the drunken moves limits land movement to only half the spaces available -- thus the need for boats VERY early. (Move a unit onto the boat, shift over one space & move the unit off the boat -- now the “white bishop is a black bishop effect”) -- Of course, this also limits our selection of city sites until we get a boat and affects our popping of huts. But thanks to atomant, we won’t be building any two move units until dragoons anyway. Recommend to all that we don't try to move wounded boats...

When this is all over we’ll need to vote as to which was the most restrictive rule…but the truth may be that the combination of rules added additional restrictions...

	28-03-2003 23:30									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Old n Slow La Fayette -- iirc, the drunken moves limits land movement to only half the spaces available -- thus the need for boats VERY early. (Move a unit onto the boat, shift over one space & move the unit off the boat -- now the “white bishop is a black bishop effect”) -- Of course, this also limits our selection of city sites until we get a boat and affects our popping of huts. But thanks to atomant, we won’t be building any two move units until dragoons anyway. Recommend to all that we don't try to move wounded boats... When this is all over we’ll need to vote as to which was the most restrictive rule…but the truth may be that the combination of rules added additional restrictions...

don't forget that we won't get boats before seafaring (caraval 1 a, 1 d) since triremes have 0 defense. and we'll not get pikemen anytime soon (warrior code) so we're going to be stuck building warriors and settlers only for a long (diplo's are 0/0 but need writing).

mark me down as a confirmed lurker as well

	29-03-2003 00:51									#48
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quote: Originally posted by SCG since triremes have 0 defense.

How do you get these?

	29-03-2003 04:10									#49
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette quote: Originally posted by SCG since triremes have 0 defense. How do you get these?

by playing Civ I of course there was a thread about starting a Civ I succession game, so i reloaded my Civ I, and triremes have 1 attack and 0 defense in that game

Civ II does have 1 defense triremes

	29-03-2003 05:51									#50
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Someone should make a rule that forbids making rules and removes all those that have already been placed.

	29-03-2003 11:50									#51
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The good fairy has waved her magic wand and caused MGE to appear on my computer.

(I now have three different folders with different game versions - am I addicted?)

Anyway the rabbit and I can now both play.

RJM at Sleepers

	29-03-2003 13:17									#52
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You got it JR.... ... That should really cramp the style of some players....

	29-03-2003 13:32									#53
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and eliminate the standard super clad strategy

	29-03-2003 23:53									#54
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I would propose staying in each governmentt for, say, 5-10 turns(at least), but it seems atawa beat me to it.
Therefore I say this: we must cycle through the govs in the order Civ has them...(despot, monarch, commie, fundy, repub, demo)
This should be a fun game

	30-03-2003 07:17									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Bob_Smurf42 I would propose staying in each governmentt for, say, 5-10 turns(at least), but it seems atawa beat me to it.

Sorry about that

quote: Therefore I say this: we must cycle through the govs in the order Civ has them...(despot, monarch, commie, fundy, repub, demo) This should be a fun game

That should be desp/mon/rep/demo/commie/fundi should it?

	30-03-2003 14:11									#56
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This is supposed to be Silly Rules, not friggin' Mission Impossible. We don't want to suck all the fun out of it.

Errr, not directed at anyone in particular, but if the rules were more limited in scope, especially so they don't overlap effects...

Edit: I'm going to amend the Human Sacrifice Rule again to be not quite so extreme on the Happiness Wonders. Only one sacrifice per 70 shields cost should be required, rounded up. So,

200 = 3
300 = 5
400 = 6
600 = 9

This amounts to one sacrifice paired with each camel/freight worth of investment.

[edit: change image links to Settler II]

Last edited by Straybow on 08-07-2003 at 06:40

	30-03-2003 14:40									#57
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The "rank" of each gov't type, as described in the Rules.txt is

1 Despotism
2 Monarchy
3 Communism
4 Fundamentalism
5 Republic
6 Democracy

	30-03-2003 19:27									#58
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Thanks for the info, didnt know that.

Only problem then is we have to switch between Despo and Mon untill we have commie

	31-03-2003 18:15									#59
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My, what a twisted bunch of people you are! I love the ideas in this thread.

I'll try some of the best ones, or maybe the lot of them, in my next game - they migth breathe some new life into civ. I'll keep a close eye on your progress, as I'm quite curious as to how some of these rules will work out in real life. They sound like a lot of fun to me!

Count me in as an official lurker as well...

	31-03-2003 21:26									#60
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One day left until we start.

We’re in MGE, with deity, large map, & raging hordes-- any thoughts or cares about world conditions? Otherwise I’ll lean toward middle of the road most everything else, maybe 5B years for the most varied terrain.

We have:

Old n Slow -- Trucks drive west
STYOM -- Research techs in order
atawa -- Must change government every four years
Straybow -- Sacrifice a builder with each happiness improvement, and a builder per camel for each happiness wonder
rjmatsleepers -- Move the capitol with every government change
Jrabbit -- Rule TBD
La Fayette -- units with move=1 move vert/horizontally, units with move = 2 or 3 on the diagonal
BobSmurf42 -- Cycle through the governments when changing
and after six weeks,
atomant -- Build units with a defensive attitude until Leadership (no Horse, Cat, Char, Ele, Knight, and Cruc, (Cannons delayed))

With a cast of many lurkers and commentators.

Grigor -- I tried three times with your save (unwzipped with Winzip) and failed three times. No luck yet, but we’ll save a space should this work out later.

Any final thoughts or recommendations for our opening strategy?