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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/22/i...ope/22ANTI.html

quote: SEVRAN, France — Jérémy Bismuth is Jewish, though he doesn't wear a yarmulke or Star of David pendant or adhere to a Kosher diet or leave school early on Fridays to be home before sunset. Nothing identifies the 15-year-old French boy as Jewish except his birth. Yet because he is a Jew, he was attacked by a group of other children, mostly Muslim, at the private Catholic school he then attended. They dragged him into the school's locker room showers shouting that they were going to gas him as the Nazis had gassed Jews. He was beaten and flogged with a pair of trousers whose zipper scratched one of his corneas. For Jérémy and his parents, the incident a year ago was the harrowing confirmation of a trend that many say is gathering momentum: a resurgent European anti-Semitism, coming not from its traditional source among Europe's right-wing nationalists, but from the Continent's growing Islamic community, egged on by the political left. "The political climate is too pro-Arab, and in the past year it has become intolerable," said Michèle Bismuth, Jérémy's mother at the family's home last week. She said her traumatized son would not leave the house for 10 days after the attack. To some, such incidents, which have becine increasingly common since the latest round of Israeli-Palestinian fighting began more than two years ago, represent the Middle East conflict brought to Europe, where sympathy for the Palestinian cause runs far higher than in the United States. "Since the intifada began in 2000, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been imported here," said the mother of another high school student who had a hood thrown over his head and was beaten to unconsciousness by a gang of Muslim youths calling him a "dirty Jew" outside a Paris high school two months ago. The woman, talking nervously at a kosher restaurant not far from the school, said she fears the atmosphere will darken with the war in Iraq. "When they say `America' they think `Israel' and when they think `Israel' they think `Jewish,' " she said. "Who is going to assure our safety?" Swastikas, slogans and physical assaults against Jews in Europe have reached a frequency not seen since the 1930's when Fascism was on the rise. But in the vast majority of the cases today, the assailants are young Muslims of North African heritage whose parents emigrated to Europe in the 1960's and 1970's. The greatest number and most violent attacks have come in France, which, with an estimated six million Muslims and 650,000 Jews in the country, has Europe's largest Jewish and largest Muslim populations. Some Jews have left France for Israel, driven as much by the deteriorating climate in Europe as they are drawn by solidarity with the Jewish state. According to Israeli government figures, 2,556 French Jews emigrated to Israel last year, double the number a year earlier and the most since the 1967 Six Day War. Not everyone is willing to call the current wave of violence anti-Semitism. Henri Wajnblum, head of the Union of Progressive Jews of Belgium, said it is important to distinguish between anti-Semitic and anti-Israel actions. He and other members of his Brussels-based group have been visiting classrooms in Muslim neighborhoods to help explain the difference between Zionists and Jews in general. But for Jews who have become targets, the distinction is a false one that masks the root problem — a latent anti-Semitism that they say has created an environment in which a new strain of racism can thrive. "In the popular imagination, Jews aren't sympathetic because they are identified with Israel and Sharon," said Sammy Ghozlan, a retired police officer who operates a clearinghouse for information on anti-Semitism in France, referring to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel. He said many Jews are distraught after willfully believing that the hatred of Jews was erased in Europe by the traumatic accounting of anti-Semitism's toll at the end of World War II. "There is a feeling that the honeymoon period is over and that it's now impossible to say what will come," Mr. Ghozlan said. He said he has verified reports of 100 serious anti-Semitic incidents in Paris and its suburbs in the first three months of this year alone. Jews say that much serious harassment goes unreported because the police register many incidents as simple vandalism or assault-and-battery even though they are clearly anti-Semitic. Worse, anti-Semitism risks entrenching itself in a generation of children for whom the language of bigotry has become the slang of the schoolyard. Advertisement The word "feuj" — from the inversion of the French word "Juif," which means "Jew" — is now a playground standard, both as an insult against Jewish students and as a contemptuous adjective. Children say a pen that does not work is "completely feuj," for example, and the Hebrew salutation "mazel tov" is used in the same way. Concerned that the war in Iraq could intensify the problem, France's education ministry last month launched a campaign to stamp out anti-Semitism and other types of racism in schools. Education Minister Luc Ferry acknowledged that verbal insults are becoming common. "There is a real danger — all the greater because today anti-Semitism is of a new type, coming from parts of society that are more acceptable than the extreme right: from Arabs and Muslims," Mr. Ferry said on state radio last month. He introduced 10 measures to combat the problem, including the creation of a monitoring committee in Paris, the appointment of a team of mediators for the worst cases and the publication of a booklet to be distributed around schools. But some schools have advised Jewish parents that they cannot protect their children from harassment and advised that they change schools instead. At a macadam soccer field in a quiet, well-groomed park in northeastern Paris, Muslim youths come regularly to harass students of a nearby Jewish school. Shlomo, a 15-year-old Jewish boy wearing a black velveteen yarmulke, described the taunts and shoves and, in the most serious cases, blows. In Sevran, Jérémy Bismuth's mother, Michèle, shows photographs she took of anti-Semitic slogans and graffiti that were painted along the parade route of a pro-Palestinian rally in the town last year. One photo shows a street sign scrawled with the words "Death to Jews," and another, taken long after the rally, shows large stars of David and Nazi swastikas with equal signs between them. When Jérémy broke free from his tormentors in the shower, he ran for help to the teacher's lounge but none of the faculty rose from their chairs to help the disheveled and distraught boy. Jérémy said it wasn't the first anti-Semitic incident he had experienced at the school, nor the last. The director of the school, Robert Patrois, dismissed the incident as a schoolyard brawl between a Muslim boy and a Jewish boy "that brought out their 14-year-old vocabulary." In a telephone interview he grew irritated when asked if the teachers had come to Jérémy's aide. "Don't ask me to remember what they did," he said. "I didn't want to treat it as an anti-Arab or anti-Jewish incident. I treated it as fighting." After the incident, Jérémy and his parents filed a complaint with the police, but the boy was taunted repeatedly in the subsequent weeks by other Muslim students. Finally, Jérémy's mother sent a lengthy complaint in the notebook that every student carries to pass messages between parents and faculty, but the notebook was never returned and a new, blank one was sent home with her son instead. The Bismuths withdrew Jérémy from the school at the end of last year and enrolled him in a new school, although with some difficulty: his previous school records had disappeared. "No one helped him," his mother said, sitting at a glass dining room table in a white stucco house that, until recently, housed Mrs. Bismuth's optical shop and her husband's dental practice. They have closed both businesses and plan to leave France for good. The Bismuths considered going to Israel, but have set their hopes on the United States instead. If all goes well, they will move to Florida when the school year ends in June.

This is extraordinarily disturbing. One hopes that decent Frenchmen will act more agressively to show this type of behaviour can't be tolerated.

	28-03-2003 13:37									#2
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This is indeed disturbing, but not really that suprising. Very, very sad...

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quote: But some schools have advised Jewish parents that they cannot protect their children from harassment and advised that they change schools instead.

Small comfort... Shuttle all the Jews into their own school so that they don't need to worry about the Muslims.

Why don't you try to corrall the perpetrators?

	28-03-2003 13:43									#4
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Antisemitism... fascism in general isnt that new to France. After all, Le Pen has got a substantial ammount of votes in the elections, and he's a declared fascist.

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Sorry, I didn't read the thread yet, but I wanted to post this precisely because of all this "antisemitism in France" talk. I've read this article in the subway this morning, and I just came back to my computer, so it is quite a collusion;

From L'Humanité, 27 March 2003

quote: Nancy : la mosquée Rahma incendiée Crime. Un incendie a pratiquement détruit la salle de prière du quartier du Haut-du-Lièvre à Nancy. Une cérémonie intercultuelle est prévue cette fin de semaine. Il était 3 h 30, dans la nuit de mercredi, quand s'est déclaré l'incendie de la salle de prière du quartier du Haut-du-Lièvre, à Nancy. Il a fallu deux heures d'intervention des pompiers pour le maîtriser. L'enquête a été confiée au SRPJ de Nancy. Bien que le préfet de Meurthe-et-Moselle déclare " ne pas tirer de conclusion ", l'hypothèse criminelle est loin d'être exclue puisque deux traces d'effraction ont été relevées à l'arrière du bâtiment, ainsi qu'une échelle calcinée. Situé à deux kilomètres du centre-ville, sur une des hauteurs qui entourent la ville, le Haut-du-Lièvre, classé en zone d'éducation prioritaire est un ensemble de sept mille habitants, avec une cinquantaine de nationalités différentes à dominante marocaine. · tel titre, que le consul général du Maroc s'est rendu sur les lieux hier, et que les relations avec son pays sont données comme " séculaires " par les élus nancéens. Le quartier dispose, dit-on, des deux plus grandes barres d'Europe, de construction Le Corbusier. Tout en longueur et très ouvert, avec un habitat mixte de logements sociaux, d'appartements privés, de petites maisons, il accueille beaucoup d'étudiants, et compte, cependant, une moyenne de 20 à 22 % d'habitants au chômage. Il ne disposait pas d'une véritable mosquée. La salle de prière de 400 m2 était aménagée dans un préfabriqué qu'elle partageait avec une salle de sport. Un gymnase a aussitôt été mis à disposition à soixante mètres de là. Hier matin, une réunion entre les représentants du maire UDF, André Rossinot, et de l'association des musulmans du Haut-du-Lièvre a eu lieu. Depuis plusieurs mois, des rencontres régulières se tiennent pour mettre en place l'association - loi 1905 - qui aura pour tâche de gérer le nouveau lieu de culte dont l'ouverture est prévue pour 2004. Il s'agit d'un bâtiment existant, en dur cette fois, qui sera mis à disposition contre un loyer. Pour Philippe Blondelet, adjoint délégué aux droits de l'homme et à l'intégration, cette démarche s'inscrit dans la constitution du Conseil national du culte musulman et ses élections. " Aucun fait particulier de racisme ne pouvait laisser prévoir cet incendie, s'il s'avère qu'il soit criminel ", dit-il. Une célébration inter cultes a, d'ailleurs, été prévue pour cette fin de semaine.

"Nancy : Arson in Rahma Mosque

Crime. An arson has almost destroyed the prayer room in the Haut-du-Lièvre quarter in Nancy. An intercultural memorial day is planned for the end of the week.

At 03:30, in the night of Wednesday, has begun the arson of the prayer room in the Haut-du-Lièvre quarter in Nancy. The firefighters needed two hours to abate it. The inquiry has been given to Nancy's SRPJ. Although the district's police leader pretends "not drawing conclusions", a crime is quite likely, as two hints of illegal entry have been noticed in the back of the building, along with a burned ladder.

[depiction of the quarter... Unimportant, except there are 22% unemployed, many students, and the mosque wasn't one really, but was in prefabricated building hosting a sport room as well. A gymnasium has been put at disposal]

Yesterday, a meeting between the envoys of the mayor, André Rossinot, and the association of Haut-du-Lièvre's Muslims has taken place. For several months now, regular meetings take place to make the association which will manage the new mosque whose opening is due to 2004. It is an existing building, a solid one, which will be put to disposal for a rent. For Philippe Blondelet, responsible for Human Rights and integration for the city, this process takes place in the frame of the nationwide construction of the National Council of the Muslim Religion and its elections. "No individual racist fact allowed to imagine this arson, if proven it is criminal", said he. A interreligious memorial day has been planned for the end of the week."

Racism in France cuts both ways. And there is an anti-white racism too, to some extent, which has emerged in the past years. If you want to adress the real problem which is racism in France, please look at the big picture.

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Well if you have a Jean Marie LePen as a political power, what do you expect? All the immigrants lining up for the gas chambers volontarily? I know thats what he'd want...

	28-03-2003 14:52									#7
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OK, I've now read Shi's article.

First, big to the perpetrators of these heinous actions. While the NYtimes is much more alarmist than the truth, antisemitism has been clearly on the rise in France, and the source is clearly identified : the youth from the Muslim minority. Like every other message of hatred, it comes from a confusion between Israel (whose actions can be criticized, especially by the Muslims) and the Jews at large.

The renewed antisemitism pinpoints to a new phenomenon in France : the constitution of a cohesive community which is not the French community. The Muslims live mostly in the same areas, in impoverished suburbs of big cities, with a minimal population mixing in these quarters. For example, the quarter in which the Mosque had burned had a mojority of Morrocans (sp ?).
That's why the antisemits can have an antismeitic behaviour with nearly no opposition from the rest of society : they live in a counter-society with few relationship with the rest of the French society. The little relation this youth has is school.

The opposition between the "Muslim community" (it is a tad more complex in fact) and the rest of society leads to racism in both ways : a new-look racism towards the muslims in the white / christian youth, a terrible racism by Jewish extremists towards the Arabs, a new-look antisemitism from the Muslim youth (they are not "antisemitic", they are "anti-feuj" ), and a new strength of anti-white racism.

The situation is really problematic, because it has potential for major trouble. However, the current situation shouldn't be exxagerated : in the many Jews I know, the only one who has been attacked was simply robbed of his expansive clothes (simple robbery, and not antisemitism), and I personally never had a crime problem. Things are quite quiet outside the impoverished suburbs, despite what some paranoids pretend.
I wanted to post a link, but their site is down, so a short depiction instead : they basically tell to their readers to avoid saying they are Jews at all times, to avoid bearing any religious symbol, to only send their children to Jewish schools, to only go in Jewish quarters, to avoid being outside as much as possible etc. Believe me, this is paranoia : France is not in civil war, far from it.

Things are being done to adress the problem, but only the future can tell if this will be fruitful : one of Chirac's ambition is to rebuild a sense of community in France, and his recent diplomatic barking can have good consequences on this issue.
Also, the government pretends having ambitions to destroy the huge impoverished residential buildings, which will lead to less problems due to overpopulation and to more population mixing. But our government has money problems and is widely known for lying, so I'll take this ambition cautiously.
Lastly, the antiracist associations have taken the turn : before, they almost exclusively dealt with racism towards Arabs, Blacks, and the remnants of antisemitism coming from the far right. They have now understood the Arabs are not better than the others, and are adressing the new racisms : let's hope it'll have some efficiency.

	28-03-2003 14:57									#8
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quote: While the NYtimes is much more alarmist than the truth, antisemitism has been clearly on the rise in France, and the source is clearly identified : the youth from the Muslim minority.

My sig doesn't mock the comments of a young Muslim...

The Muslim community in France are easily the most vocal and proactive anti-Semites, but they are hardly the only ones.

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quote: Originally posted by Daz Well if you have a Jean Marie LePen as a political power, what do you expect? All the immigrants lining up for the gas chambers volontarily? I know thats what he'd want...

There is always someone else to blame...

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quote: Originally posted by Daz Well if you have a Jean Marie LePen as a political power, what do you expect? All the immigrants lining up for the gas chambers volontarily? I know thats what he'd want...

Jean Marie Le Pen hardly uses antisemitism for his propaganda anymore : don't take me wrong, he is an antisemit, and most of his old voters are antisemits as well. But the bulk of his votes in 2002 came from a part of the population desperate by the poor quality of our politicians, and another good chunk flocked to him because of the rise of petty cime, which was a huge issue during last elections.
Also, most of his racist propaganda is oriented towards the Blacks and the Arabs, his tales of Jewish conspiracies are well hidden of the general public and are broadcasted only on the Parisian facist radio.

Le Pen is an incredible racist, as he gathers many Christians, Jews, and even some Muslims and Blacks.
It is utterly absurd to reduce Le Pen as an antisemit, he is much more than that.

	28-03-2003 15:01									#11
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You dont blame him for this?

Oh, I get it. Its more convenient for you to blame the muslims...

	28-03-2003 15:03									#12
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Drake :
Many people in France are annoyed with Israel's behaviour. It doesn't mean these people are antisemitic. Heck, I have a practicing Jewish friend who openly criticizes Israel's behavior. Guess what ? Fellow Jews have insulted her as a "traitor".

The confusion between antisemitism and an opposition to Israel is precisely what I call paranoia. There is an antisemitism in France, whose new strength comes from the Muslim youth. But it doesn't equate the critics we show towards Israel.

Except one Christian, all people I know (including me) are annoyed with Israel to some extent. I don't think I know any antisemit.

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quote: Oh, I get it. Its more convenient for you to blame the muslims...

Maybe because it's the Muslims(soem of them) who do this?

Stop looking for ways to excuse them. They do the crime, they are guilty.

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I bet LePen would LOVE to get rid of his antisemitism for good because he has seen that by becoming "mainstream" he could actually win the vote.

But too much has been said throughout the years to be forgotten. Everybody knows who he is and what he stands for. Not giving anti-jewish statements doesnt help...

Just my two cents...

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quote: Many people in France are annoyed with Israel's behaviour. It doesn't mean these people are antisemitic.

I think calling Israel a "sh*tty little country" and blaming all of the Middle East's problems on it goes beyond mere annoyance with Israeli policy...

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quote: Except one Christian, all people I know (including me) are annoyed with Israel to some extent. I don't think I know any antisemit.

And many people get this all confused. The French media is vehemently anti-Israeli, almost as much as the Arab media, and this is partially responsible for making anti-semitism more and more legit.

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Well Eli. I hope you DONT know too much about J.M. LePen. Throughout the years he has left quite a antisemitic legacy in France and I can guarantee you he's the inspiration of antisemits of all races and colours.

Spain, and Italy too, have a large muslim immigration too. Why doesnt that kind of stuff happen there?

	28-03-2003 15:18									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Eli And many people get this all confused. The French media is vehemently anti-Israeli, almost as much as the Arab media, and this is partially responsible for making anti-semitism more and more legit.

The French media evolves. During the first intifada, it was clearly pro-Israel, as far as my cloudy memories can tell (I recall being surprised, at that time, the Israelis could do bad things).
It has become clearly anti-Israel when Netanyauh (sp?) took power, and the anti-Israelness has abated when Barak came. In the meantime, Arafat was hardly criticized, despite its terrorist background and the massive corruption of his adminitration : while Israel became criticized for about everything which deserved critics, the Palestinians were considered as victims, and nothing more.
For several years now, the trend seems to go towards a more balanced view : the vicious violence of the intifada has been an eye-opener the Arabs aren't only victims, they are also guilty of this sh*t. The media remains pro-Palestinian, but now is able to citicize terrorists. I've seen this turn in Euronews (located in France, and the commentaries vary from language to kanguage anyways) : before 2001, the news were outrageously pro-Palestinian. From mid 2001 on, it became much, much more balanced. I guess there have been many complaints from the Jewish public of the network, and they have worked.

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Daz :
You are overestimating Le Pen's impact on antisemitism in France. His comments of the past (racist puns, gaz chambers being a "detail" etc.) have been used by the Politicians as a concrete counter-example : Le Pen got the media coverage he wanted, but he united everybody opposed to racism, whether slightly or not (it explains why Chirac was elected with 82% against Le Pen : in no other elections had a candidate such a triumph).

Eli is right when he complains about the media : despite their positive evolution (at least those I percieve), the media remain clearly pro-Palestinian today. But the krux of the problem isn't the media at large, it is the specific messages the Muslim youth gets : gangsta culture, Islamists, and first of all, their peers, all of this builds a counter-culture in which antisemitism seems to be a new part.
I sure hope this counter culture will be destroyed by a wise policy in the future, but I don't hold my breath.

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quote: Originally posted by Daz Spain, and Italy too, have a large muslim immigration too. Why doesnt that kind of stuff happen there?

Belgium and the Netherlands have a large muslim population and that kind of stuff happens quite a lot here too.

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The Nederlands have (oops, HAD) that right wing guy too, cant remember his name. But he got assasinated...

Hey, dont get me wrong here. Im not advocating the muslims here. Believe me, I'm competely the wrong person for that .

What peasses me off is that people like LePen get a break, and they do not deserve to. It seems you can get away with racism if youre a white european, but if youre a muslim youre immediately a terrorist.

Eli, remember. It is NOT the muslims who have taken the most jewish lives... Know thy enemies!!!

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Daz :
Le Pen didn't get a break last time. He scored the lowest a candidate ever had in a runoff during presidential elections. Huge protests mobilized the youth, White, Black and Arabic. Le Pen is remembered as a vicious racist, but his racism is mostly headed towards the Arabs and Blacks.

The anti-arab racism is more important than antisemitism in France, by far. The very reason a strong Muslim counter-culture exists in France, is because of the rejection of Arabs by the society : discrimination when hiring, discrimination when renting a flat, more harassment from the police, lower education, prejudices in most circumstances etc. The Arabs have muuuuuuuuuch more a hard time in France than the jews, and anti-Arab racists get criticized very often.

It doesn't make the young antisemitic muslims better, or it doesn't make them irresponsible for their racism. Believing the Muslims were only victims, and weren't guilty as well, helped in creating this situation.

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Well he did get into the 2nd round didnt he? As opposed to Jospin... I still think it was a disgrace for France.

I would like to remind you what my initial post was about.

quote: Well if you have a Jean Marie LePen as a political power, what do you expect?

I still think LePen is the ispiration for all the rasists in France, regardless of colour and religion. His "works" about the holocaust only made him an antisemite too.

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Spiffor: I am glad you see it that way. thumbs up on most the things you've said, and a big thumbs down on the case.

Btw, did anyone hear about a number of jewish youths that were beaten during an "anti-war" ( ) demonstration in France?

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I heard two Jews were beaten during the big protest last Saturnday (100.000 protestors). I was in the protest, though I haven't seen the agressions.
There was a small group of Arabs seemingly pro-Saddam (their signs was in Arabic, I couldn't read). I've also seen fliers about waging the intifada from Baghdad to Paris But these elements were marginal nonetheless. If you want to have my complete impressions of Saturnday's protest in Paris, go check this post.

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What worries and disturbs me is the willingness of the socialists to join forces with muslims, just to protest against America.

Nazis hate the USA too ( being controlled by jews, and all ), should we cooperate with them too?

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I can certainly understand the jews forgetting about his old "crimes" in light of his latest interview in the Ha'aretz newspaper. Le Pen has shifted his hatred from Jews to Arabs and is not afraid saying it. One of his famous quotes on the muslim veil "it protects us from ugly women" says it all. I reckon you guys feel he's your pal all of a sudden.

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God, that's a crappy troll, that reveals your true face of bigotry.

quote: I can certainly understand the jews forgetting about his old "crimes" in light of his latest interview in the Ha'aretz newspaper. Le Pen has shifted his hatred from Jews to Arabs and is not afraid saying it. One of his famous quotes on the muslim veil "it protects us from ugly women" says it all. I reckon you guys feel he's your pal all of a sudden.

There is no sizeable part of the jewish population that supports LePen, but even if there were,It's amazing, really, that you accuse someone of being a racist, while at the same time, you generalize, and lump all the jews together into a single group.

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quote: What worries and disturbs me is the willingness of the socialists to join forces with muslims, just to protest against America.

European lefties in general are a weird sort in that regard. Enemy of my enemy..
There was simmilar support for Milosevic in Serbia, just because he was opposing US. Learn to live with the fenomenon

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel What worries and disturbs me is the willingness of the socialists to join forces with muslims, just to protest against America. Nazis hate the USA too ( being controlled by jews, and all ), should we cooperate with them too?

This is the downside of a consensus. It sure disturbs me to know Le Pen is against the war too (as nearly the whole French political class). But I cannot decide in his place. Many people, including not likeable people, will go to a big rally once they know of it. That's why we have vandals, and that's why we have antisemits. France's #1 antiracist organization asked the parties heavily involved in the protests to be more paedagogic. My party didn't see what went wrong with us, yet.