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MacTavish might leave Oilers
WebPosted Thu Apr 24 18:12:20 2003

CBC SPORTS ONLINE - Head coach Craig MacTavish is considering moving on after his Edmonton Oilers failed to do so in the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

According to Oilers general manager Kevin Lowe, MacTavish is reviewing his options.

"I have some concerns as to whether MacTavish will come back," Lowe said Thursday.

"I think that should concern the organization and should concern Oilers hockey fans."

MacTavish's contract is up for renewal, but Edmonton's early exit from the playoffs has him thinking twice about returning.

"I'm sure he will be here," Lowe said, speaking publicly for the first time since the Oilers' six-game, opening-round loss to Dallas.

"But we cannot be naive about the reality that perhaps he might not be here."

Mainly because MacTavish has grown frustrated by Edmonton's current lot in NHL life, namely, building a Stanley Cup contender on a shoe-string budget.

"I understand where he's coming from," Lowe said. "I have had similar feelings at times.

"Believe me, it has nothing to do with money and everything to do with philosophy."

Lowe refused to elaborate on what philosophy works best, yet insisted re-signing MacTavish is what's best for the burgeoning, young hockey club.

"He is a big priority for us," Lowe said of MacTavish, a former Oilers captain and valued on-ice contributor during the dynasty years.

"I am not panicky he won't be around, (But) there's some concern. I hope we can convince MacTavish this is the right place to be for all the right reasons.

"We've developed something good here and we're heading in the right direction and he's the guy to do it. For anyone to even question whether Craig MacTavish is the right guy for the job knows nothing about the game."

Since MacTavish replaced Lowe as head coach on June 22, 2000, the Oilers are 31 games over .500 (113-82-35-16), a far cry from the preceding decade which saw them go 70 games under.

"The main reason for that is Craig MacTavish has the ability to teach the game and coach it with the kind of compassion and understanding and care that only champions can," Lowe explained.

MacTavish, the eighth head coach in Oilers history, is one of three ex-captains hired to the post.

Lowe and Glen Sather were the others.

MacTavish played nine of 17 NHL seasons with the Oilers, with whom he won three Stanley Cups (1987-88, 1990).

MacTavish captured a fourth Stanley Cup with the New York Rangers in 1994.

A gritty centre and the NHL's last unhelmeted player, the London, Ont., native tallied 213 goals and 480 points with 891 penalty minutes in 1,093 games for the Boston Bruins, Oilers, Rangers, Philadelphia Flyers and St. Louis Blues.

After retiring in 1997, he spent two seasons as Rangers assistant coach before joining the Oilers in a similar capacity in 1999-00.
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He will end up on Broadway. Bastards.

I saw we promote Charlie Huddy!

Or bring back Jari Kurri! He's been running gyms in Helsinki long enough...

	25-04-2003 05:02									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai ARRGGGHH!!!!! I can't believe it. The Leafs collapsed like a bunch of, well wet leafs. What bunch of boners. What the hell happened with Sundin. He's making 9 million and that's the best he can do? One lousy goal!!!

Come on. Amonte didn't even score. Despite the last game it was a close series. If the Leafs had won Game 4 (which went to overtime) they probably would have won the series. Philly basically made less mistakes and that's why they won.

quote: Then there's guys like Renberg with one friggen goal and -4. The defence sucked the big time, well below expectations and expectations were not high. Svelha finishes with a -5 and Kaberle ends with a -6.

They didn't play well at all. But one bad series doesn't mean we should trade them all. Renberg and Hoglund should go - they don't really contribute anything. Kaberle must stay - he's young and looks to be getting better.

quote: Then there's Lumme who seemed to spend more time setting up plays for the Flyers then he did for the Leafs.

This clown is too old and should go. The Leafs should sign Glen Wesley and trade Renberg, Berg and perhaps Tucker for an elite defenceman. Bring Carlo whatsisname up and they should be OK.

quote: Some of the guys have reasons for not playing great. Mogilny was injured, so was Nolan.

I reckon they were all pretty banged up.

quote: But's that's no excuse for leaving Belfour out to die in the onslaught of the Flyers. Belfour was the only player who came out looking good.

Look it was a close series. The Leafs lost badly in the last game because they had to gamble and throw men forward.

quote: The Leafs have to get rid of Quinn. He's had five years to put together a championship team and he failed miserably. He doesn't seem to grasp the concept that a team needs defence. A team needs a system. A team needs to rely on more than just smucking people (not that there is anything wrong with that, but there has to be more).

OK in the last five years the Leafs have gone out to either the conference champion or the Cup winner. That's not a bad record. Who do you propose to replace him with? Larry Robinson? It's obvious the Leafs need a top defenceman, but those don't grow on trees.

quote: The worst thing about Quinn is his lack of management skills. Having a player quit the team in the middle of the playoffs shows that Quinn doesn't know his players. A good manager would have defused the situation. Okay maybe I should cut Quinn some slack. Corson is a certifiable nutcase. They had a team party after the defeat and he went to it! Talk about not getting the concept.

He quit for health reasons. I would have too in that situation. And he was right that Quinn should have played him instead of Hogwash. There has been a split between the Corson camp and the Roberts camp in the dressing room for a long time. That is now over.

quote: Anyways, my hat off to the Flyers. They did a great job. Hitchcock has them performing as a team. Now if they can just teach Roman "Where's my glove" Cechmanek not to pull anymore dumbass moves they might have a chance at the cup, but that ain't going to happen.

They aren't that good. I think Ottawa may well humiliate them again. They don't seem to deal well with speed.

There were a few pluses this season.

Mogilny really came into his own this year. Belfour showed that he's still an elite goaltender and that he's better than Cujo. Tie Domi had a fantastic season and can't be put back on the fourth line again.

	25-04-2003 05:03									#153
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Heh Heh Heh.

The Ducks have just scored.

Anaheim 1-0 Dallas.

heh heh heh...

*edit* now Ducks 3-1

Do yoouuuuu belieeeeveeeeeee??!?!?

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	25-04-2003 06:26									#154
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Vancouver Anaheim in the third round!

	25-04-2003 09:32									#155
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Going into the fourth overtime... I've watched it all...

Never mind the players, *I'm* getting exhausted!

	25-04-2003 09:37									#156
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Anaheim was ROBBED by the officials

That was a goal in the 3rd OT!

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Oh, and GO DEVILS .

	25-04-2003 09:38									#157
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quote: Mogilny really came into his own this year.

Say what?! Do you think Mogilny wasn't good before this year?!

	25-04-2003 09:40									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Philly basically made less mistakes and that's why they won.

Well, I've got to admit that I haven't watched any of the games cause ESPN isn't showing any hockey games this year in Hong Kong, but from everything I've read, the Leafs were terrible and made lots of mistakes. They were turning over the puck in their end. They weren't completing passes. Basic stuff. In most of the games, they didn't generate enough offence.

quote: Originally posted by Agathon They didn't play well at all. But one bad series doesn't mean we should trade them all. Renberg and Hoglund should go - they don't really contribute anything. Kaberle must stay - he's young and looks to be getting better.

Yeah, Kaberle is young with lots of potential, even if he had a lousy playoff. Svelha could be traded for someone better.

You're right about Renberg, Lumme, Tucker (definitely) and Hoglund.

With all of the injuries, I start to wonder about the training staff. Are the injuries just bad luck or is it because the players are not being trained well. One or two injuries are par for the course, but the Leafs seem to have more than their share.

quote: Originally posted by Agathon OK in the last five years the Leafs have gone out to either the conference champion or the Cup winner. That's not a bad record. Who do you propose to replace him with? Larry Robinson? It's obvious the Leafs need a top defenceman, but those don't grow on trees.

The Leafs had their chances at getting better defencemen, but Quinn wasn't able to pull off the deals. another reason for him to go.

quote: Originally posted by Agathon Mogilny really came into his own this year. Belfour showed that he's still an elite goaltender and that he's better than Cujo. Tie Domi had a fantastic season and can't be put back on the fourth line again.

You're right about all of that. Nolan will also pay off dividends.

The big question is whether Sundin should be untouchable when it comes to trades? I don't think so. I'd say trade him for a younger sniper and a great defenceman. Of course, it has to be a great trade, but it should be considered.

	25-04-2003 10:03									#159
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Well I guess it's up to the Lions or Tigers to win the titles this year...

	25-04-2003 10:16									#160
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5 overtimes.

Can we go for six? Break the record?

These are exciting times!

I'm calling it:

CHOUINARD from Krog & Carney.

So it is... typed.

	25-04-2003 10:33									#161
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Anaheim wins in 5th OT!

	25-04-2003 10:33									#162
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ANAHEIM WINS!

Sykora scores!!

	25-04-2003 10:45									#163
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Sykora... Chouinard... It's all the same...

GO DUCKS!

(Amazing game.)

	25-04-2003 12:10									#164
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Yes it was, but I still liked the Devils game better (for obvious reasons ).

	25-04-2003 18:00									#165
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Anaheim was ROBBED by the officials That was a goal in the 3rd OT! -- Oh, and GO DEVILS .

Agreed. Puck crossed the line prior to the net comingoff the moorings. Once again ESPN and apologist Barry Melrose show it's better to suck up than to tell the straight scoop.

Regardless the outcome was the same, great game and congrats to the Ducks.

	25-04-2003 22:09									#166
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Mogilny really came into his own this year. Say what?! Do you think Mogilny wasn't good before this year?!

Not for the Leafs. Last year he was plagued by injuries and was inconsistent. This year he's been the Leafs best player by some margin.

And he's won over the media and the fans who all think he's a scream.

	25-04-2003 22:36									#167
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Was it a year when Mogilny's contract was up for renewal? In Vancouver and Buffalo he has a past history of being invisible in the first years of a multiyear deal and then being a great player during his contract year.

	25-04-2003 23:01									#168
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Mogilny's contract isn't up for renewal yet. He signed a five year deal when he first came to the Leafs three years ago.

I think Mogilny's performance has less to do with it being a contract year and more to do with him being generally happy with his playing/living conditions. When you put him with a good, skilled center (and for the life of me I can't figure out why teams didn't always do this*) he almost always has a good year. His best years in Vancouver were his first followed by his second (and playing with Ronning). His best years in Buffalo were when he was playing with Lafontaine. He did well in New Jersey with Gomez, and surprise! he does well in Toronto with Sundin and/or Antropov.

*I understand the argument about spreading out your offensive threats, but what would you rather have: a scoring threat on the second or third line or a nearly unstoppable machine on the first or second? I mean, one way, there's the chance your team will get a few goals, and on the other, it's practically a guarantee that they will.

	26-04-2003 10:35									#169
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When the Wild went up 3 to 1 I thought it was game over. But a dramatic goal at 19:58 to tie! And then they went on to win.

This is going to be one tough series.

	26-04-2003 10:36									#170
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The excitment never stops in these playoffs, do they redfred?

	26-04-2003 10:37									#171
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quote: Not for the Leafs.

Who cares about the Leafs .

He's been a great player before so you can't say 'he came into his own this year'! That'd be like me saying Jaime Langenbrunner came into his own this year!

	26-04-2003 10:38									#172
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Nope. Er... at least as long as your team is still alive.

Edit: almost a too obvious cross-post to mention.

	26-04-2003 10:42									#173
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Well for everyone who's teams are dead... they can console themselves by reminding themselves that they aren't Ranger fans .

	26-04-2003 12:23									#174
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quote: Originally posted by RedFred When the Wild went up 3 to 1 I thought it was game over. But a dramatic goal at 19:58 to tie! And then they went on to win. This is going to be one tough series.

I was half listening to it at work and turned it off after the Wild scored their third goal.

What a great comeback!

	26-04-2003 12:25									#175
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quote: Well for everyone who's teams are dead... they can console themselves by reminding themselves that they aren't Ranger fans .

That does help, actually.

	26-04-2003 12:33									#176
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Wow... that picture actually has Richter in it .

	26-04-2003 20:44									#177
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Amonte finally scores and then the Flyers decide to take the rest of the game off.

Grr.....

0-1.

	27-04-2003 03:02									#178
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WHAT IS UP WITH ANAHEIM? They beat Dallas once AGAIN, going to two game lead?

	27-04-2003 03:26									#179
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka WHAT IS UP WITH ANAHEIM? They beat Dallas once AGAIN, going to two game lead?

They have set up another potential sweep - crazy! Didn't anyone tell them the Disney story is fictional?

	27-04-2003 04:34									#180
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The story so far:

ROUND 2

East

New Jersey leads Tampa Bay 2-0
Ottawa leads Philadelphia 1-0

West

Anaheim leads Dallas 2-0
Vancouver leads Minnesota 1-0


Anaheim vs. Vancouver for the Western Conference Finals?

Last edited by Ben Kenobi on 27-04-2003 at 04:50