04-05-2003 06:07									#241
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East:

Ottawa leads Philadelphia 3-2
New Jersey beats Tampa 4-1

West:

Anaheim leads Dallas 3-2
Vancouver leads Minnesota 3-1

	04-05-2003 08:10									#242
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Now we'll see what Giguere is made of. Can he come back after being chased from the net? Dallas should have the experience to make a run for it.

	04-05-2003 08:24									#243
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Always overlooked are the Devs . They'll show the Senators who's boss .

The Devs aren't the team they were when they had the A Line intact or in '94 when they won the cup over the Wings. Granted they still have players like Elias, Stevens, and Brodeur, but they still have a lot of up and comers, not proven talent. The only A Liner they have left is Elias.

quote: Best defensive team in the NHL.

Please, the trap may be effective, but snore......

	04-05-2003 08:41									#244
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Goddamn Stars!!! They foil me at every turn!

quote: Now we'll see what Giguere is made of. Can he come back after being chased from the net? Dallas should have the experience to make a run for it.

We shall indeed see... I think he'll be able to bounce back, though. He never really lost his composure, and he's got a very calm demeanor. I think he's mature enough to come back from this.

quote: Well.. Dallas took victory.. Kapanen scored 3rd and 4th. Finn POWAH!

What a classy guy he is. Both goals, he didn't hot-dog. Didn't even put his hands in the air. Just kept himself composed and determined. For a young guy like himself, that's an impressive trait.

He's probably the Star I hate least.

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MY STARS HATE-LIST:

1. Derian Hatcher/Jason Arnott (tie)
2. Claude Lemieux
3. Sergei Zubov (wife-beater!)
4. Darryl Sydor
5. Rob DiMaio
6. David Oliver
7. Scott Young
8. Phillipe Boucher

STARS I RESPECT, BUT WILL NEVER CHEER FOR AS LONG AS THEY WEAR THE GREEN AND GOLD:
1. Kapanen
2. Jere Lehtinen
3. Ron Tugnutt, baby!!!
4. Bill Guerin

STARS I WANT TO HATE BUT CAN'T:

1: Mike Modano (just too damn likeable)
2. Marty Turco (maybe if he was American)
3. Richard Matvichuk (he's from Edmonton... Yeah, I know, Sydor is, too... but screw Sydor!)
4. Brenden Morrow (just too damn talented)
5. Stu Barnes (like pyrogies)

	04-05-2003 11:43									#245
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quote: Please, the trap may be effective, but snore......

The Devils haven't played the trap since ~1999. I don't see how you can have 4 coaches with different philosophy's (Lemaire, Ftorek, Robinson, Burns) and end up playing the same style through all of them (even under Robinson, the Devs played more aggressively in the Lemaire days).

And you deride the Devs, but root for the Wild? Wierd.

quote: The Devs aren't the team they were when they had the A Line intact or in '94 when they won the cup over the Wings. Granted they still have players like Elias, Stevens, and Brodeur, but they still have a lot of up and comers, not proven talent. The only A Liner they have left is Elias.

Um... what?

The A Line dismantling was another genius Lou Lamerillo move. The line was getting stale and they got real talent from the deals (Langenbrunner.. who leads NJ in playoff scoring... Nwuendyck [sp?]... Freisen). Saying this team doesn't have the talent of the '95 team is ludicrous at best.

And the Devs have ALWAYS been built on young up and comers. What do you think Elias and Sykora were in 2000? What do you think Guerin and Niedermeyer were in '95?

This team has just as much talent as those teams. Niedermeyer, Stevens, Elias, Langenbrunner, Gomez, Friesen, Madden, and Brodeur. They got more talent than the '95 team and not too far behind the 2000 and 2001 teams.

	04-05-2003 11:54									#246
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quote: The Devils haven't played the trap since ~1999. I don't see how you can have 4 coaches with different philosophy's (Lemaire, Ftorek, Robinson, Burns) and end up playing the same style through all of them (even under Robinson, the Devs played more aggressively in the Lemaire days).

Don't forget Kevin Constantine!

	04-05-2003 11:56									#247
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Oh right! Damn, I keep forgetting him .

Poor guy, didn't have a chance. After getting bumped by Carolina, you KNEW he was gone. Burns may last, thankfully... lookes like Lou isn't getting lessons in ownership from George Stienbrenner .

	04-05-2003 23:09									#248
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The A Line dismantling was another genius Lou Lamerillo move. The line was getting stale and they got real talent from the deals (Langenbrunner.. who leads NJ in playoff scoring... Nwuendyck [sp?]... Freisen). Saying this team doesn't have the talent of the '95 team is ludicrous at best.

Genius move? The Devils got rid of Sykora and Mogilny. Losing Mogilny cost them big time last year. And look at what he is still doing. Sykora is still great.

Meanwhile, Gomez has struggled for two years after one great year when he was playing with Mogilny.

Friesen? He's got potential, but four pts in 10 games ain't nothing to write home about, particularly when the Devils have played against teams with lousy goalies. The same for Nieuwendyk.

What else have the Devils got? Not much other than Madden and Langenbrunner.

	06-05-2003 02:49									#249
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Any predictions for tonight?

Three games with clubs able to win series - I'm guessing at least 2 will be decided - Vancouver and Anaheim.

	06-05-2003 03:03									#250
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The one prediction I've been making is that the Vancouver-Minnesota game will be much more of a blow-out than any of the others were. I'll say the final score will be 4-1 or 5-1, but I'm not sure for who. I can just as easily see Vancouver having a rough home game as I can Minnesota just folding.

	06-05-2003 03:34									#251
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Anaheim and Minnesota? That screaming sound coming from Chicago will be me.

	06-05-2003 04:36									#252
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quote: The Devils got rid of Sykora and Mogilny. Losing Mogilny cost them big time last year. And look at what he is still doing. Sykora is still great.

A. Mogilny was not a member of the A line.

B. Mogilny cost too much for the Devs bottom line. They simply couldn't afford him. Unfortunetly they couldn't spring a deal. Nevertheless, Mogilny is home and the Devs are still going strong.

C. Sykora for Freisen is a decent deal. Pretty equal. Tverdovsky is good enough for a few extra regular season wins.

quote: What else have the Devils got? Not much other than Madden and Langenbrunner.

Stevens, Brodeur, Elias, Niedermeyer, Rafalski

The strength of the Devils has always been defense, any offensive production is just a bonus.

	06-05-2003 06:34									#253
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Senators 5-1 over Flyers, win series 4-2.

	06-05-2003 07:10									#254
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Dammit...

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And you deride the Devs, but root for the Wild? Wierd.

I am not particularly fond of the trap, and I'm not particularly fond of the Devils. But I am keen to see hockey succeed where it was always meant to be here in the States and that is Minnesota. It's just a pity that Lemaire does employ the trap. Hopefully one day he'll be able to discard it for a more open system.

quote: The A Line dismantling was another genius Lou Lamerillo move. The line was getting stale and they got real talent from the deals (Langenbrunner.. who leads NJ in playoff scoring... Nwuendyck [sp?]... Freisen).

We'll see just how genius of a move that was.

	06-05-2003 10:12									#256
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quote: It's just a pity that Lemaire does employ the trap. Hopefully one day he'll be able to discard it for a more open system.

Why do you think the Wild are this far?! BECAUSE OF THE TRAP!

Lemaire will never get rid of the trap as long as he is coaching. That is why NJ was fired (the trap comes at the expense of offensive firepower). And as long as it is successful, I don't see why he should give it up. It works, don't change it.

	06-05-2003 10:36									#257
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QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK!!!

Great calls by the refs in the last ten minutes...

DUCKS WIN!!!



Now, all we have to do is get rid of New Jersey, and an entertaining Stanley Cup final will be ours!!!



WHERE'S YOUR MONEY NOW, ARNOTT!?!?!

	06-05-2003 10:39									#258
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Arnott is gone?

Hmm... that means that all of the A Line that has been traded away is GONE, while the Devs are still alive .



GO JERSEY!

	06-05-2003 15:31									#259
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki The one prediction I've been making is that the Vancouver-Minnesota game will be much more of a blow-out than any of the others were. I'll say the final score will be 4-1 or 5-1, but I'm not sure for who. I can just as easily see Vancouver having a rough home game as I can Minnesota just folding.

Kudos to you then. Wild 7-2

	06-05-2003 15:49									#260
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And kudos to Jeremy Roenick. He was as gracious in defeat as it is possibly to be; a class act in an organisation with not much of it.

	06-05-2003 16:02									#261
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quote: It's just a pity that Lemaire does employ the trap. Hopefully one day he'll be able to discard it for a more open system.

Lemaire invented the trap. He'll never abandon it.

	06-05-2003 16:42									#262
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This is the worst playoff year in a while. It's definitely worse than Florida or Carolina getting to the finals.

	06-05-2003 18:43									#263
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East:

Ottawa beats Philadelphia 4-2
New Jersey beats Tampa 4-1

Ottawa vs. New Jersey in Conf. final

West:

Anaheim beats Dallas 4-2
Vancouver leads Minnesota 3-2

? vs. Anaheim in Conf. final

	06-05-2003 18:50									#264
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quote: Originally posted by Sava This is the worst playoff year in a while. It's definitely worse than Florida or Carolina getting to the finals.

Why?

Because the aging, overpaid almost-dynasty teams are finally fading?

Because young, exciting, talented teams are finally seeing the fruits of years of labour?

Or because, excluding New Jersey, you have to go back to 1927 (Ottawa) to find a past Cup winner that is left in these playoffs?

This changing of the guard has been a long time in the making, and is making the game better. It should be embraced, not scoffed at because it isn't the status quo.

	06-05-2003 21:32									#265
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I agree with dejon. These playoffs are a triumph for smart spending teams and hopefully (though not likely) show the error of the ways for teams like the Rangers, Flyers and Blues. Even Toronto should take note - team chemistry MATTERS.

	06-05-2003 21:43									#266
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Just came back from watching a couple of the games.

The sens and flyers was major

The only entertainment value was watching the Flyers shoot themselves in the foot.

What the hell was Chekmanek thinking going out to get the puck and why didn't he at least try falling on it. He looked like a complete amatuer.

And then there's Brashear taking a couple of penalties early in the game when the flyers were down 2-0. That really helps any attempt to come back.

The Canucks-Wild game was much more entertaining, although I didn't see the third period. But it was great with the Canucks putting on the pressure and Rolson making some great saves.

But now I got to wonder whether the Canucks can win this.

Ducks

	06-05-2003 21:52									#267
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu quote: It's just a pity that Lemaire does employ the trap. Hopefully one day he'll be able to discard it for a more open system. Lemaire invented the trap. He'll never abandon it.

Was that the Trap I saw? Look like the Canucks were all over the Wild in the Wild end. The Canucks had some great chances, but the puck bounced the wrong way.

One thing I didn't know is that a South Korean is playing for the Wild. Must be the first Korean in the NHL.

	06-05-2003 21:53									#268
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quote: Originally posted by dejon Because young, exciting, talented teams are finally seeing the fruits of years of labour? Or because, excluding New Jersey, you have to go back to 1927 (Ottawa) to find a past Cup winner that is left in these playoffs? This changing of the guard has been a long time in the making, and is making the game better. It should be embraced, not scoffed at because it isn't the status quo.

Yeah it's great seeing these young teams and new goalies coming up through the ranks and proving their worth.

	06-05-2003 22:46									#269
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Was that the Trap I saw? Look like the Canucks were all over the Wild in the Wild end. The Canucks had some great chances, but the puck bounced the wrong way.

The Canucks looked to be having their way towards the end of the first period, but got sandbagged with two 4 on 3 penalty kills, taking away momentum. That carried over into the second period.

In the second period, the Canucks I know dissappeared. They resembled a junior league team, chasing the puck, not taking the man, and forgot how to clear the garbage in their own zone.

The Wild are a great defensive team, but the neutral zone trap hasn't worked very effectively against the Canucks, so what they're doing is keeping the Canucks cycling along the boards, letting them kill time. They cover the middle very well, watching for and preventing passes to good scoring angles.

I think the Canucks were overexcited about the game, anxious to win it at home and be done with the Wild. As a result, they were tight in the offensive zone, and sloppy, risky, and undisciplined in the defensive zone.

The blow out score will be a good wake up call, and they should respond properly in the next game.

	07-05-2003 02:16									#270
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quote: These playoffs are a triumph for smart spending teams and hopefully (though not likely) show the error of the ways for teams like the Rangers, Flyers and Blues. Even Toronto should take note - team chemistry MATTERS.

Yep! It's like the New Jersey playoffs . After all, for the longest time the Devils were held up as an example of smart spending and chemistry. They were cycling four lines of relatively equal worth (and playing them for relatively equal time) when everyone else hardly played their fourth line.