18-04-2003 16:29									#211
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If I had understood correctly, the policy that's being put into place in Washington is to :
- punish the French
- ignore the Germans
- forgive the Russians.
Well, that's what I heard on French TV, so it is obviously biased, but I wonder what truth exactly there is behind these words. Anyone can tell me what is said in the US about this issue ?

	18-04-2003 17:32									#212
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quote: Originally posted by Spec I'll sacrifice "country importance" anyday for: - No metal detectors in junior high schools - Being able to count my money when walking away from the atm with no fear of getting stabbed - Not seeing fat people everywhere - Not being patriotic for no reason - Having bars open until 3 a.m. - Being able to see the 4 seasons - Having one of the least polluted country in the world (If the U.S. wasn't under us we would be first) - Not getting sued for no reason - Not being hated worldwide Should I go on?

No! If you want to avoid being hated worldwide, I suggest that you quit posting in international forums. You have been on a several page temper tantrum, and if you were doing this anywhere near me I would give you a spanking.

	18-04-2003 17:37									#213
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quote: if you were doing this anywhere near me I would give you a spanking.

perhaps that's what he wants!

	18-04-2003 20:37									#214
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quote: If I had understood correctly, the policy that's being put into place in Washington is to : - punish the French - ignore the Germans - forgive the Russians. Well, that's what I heard on French TV, so it is obviously biased, but I wonder what truth exactly there is behind these words. Anyone can tell me what is said in the US about this issue ?

As far as I know, there is no policy being put into place in Washington on this issue. I'm sure the Administration has plans for the future, but no one knows what they are or how they will treat the various members of the Axis of Weasel. All the actions against France have been taken at the grassroots level, by angry American citizens.

	18-04-2003 23:24									#215
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It would be very unwise of the US-Goverment to put pressure on the French. I think a lot of countries would think something like, today France, tomorrow ?

And unite.

	19-04-2003 00:59									#216
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quote: Originally posted by DanS a majority of Americans were opposed to war Wrong. For the last 12 years, never has the war opposition had the majority. Why do some always repeat this untruth?

He's a communist, remember?

	19-04-2003 01:02									#217
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Chris... you beat me too it . Che's 'stats' aren't really reliable.

	19-04-2003 01:07									#218
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ooohhh yago, really? ya think so?

Spiffor, the French led the effort, they have the permanant seat and said that they would veto...no matter what the coalition came up with. They actively worked against us in the security council, preventing the coalition from getting the majority. Also, the French have the history in NATO of a bunch of *****es, and obstructed the deployment of defensive anti missiles to Turkey.

Then you have all those wonderful quotes of Chirac we were bombarded with almost daily.

Many Americans got DEEPLY pissed. I told you a while back that you didn't understand the depth of feeling here in the US. You blew me off. Now you bigin to understand I see.

This will not pass for a long, long time. Decades. Mark my words.

	19-04-2003 01:09									#219
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lancerino,
why did the americans got really pissed?

I think it is because they perceived Iraq as a threat to them (through international terrorism?) and felt that France is obstracting them to deal with a threat that puts american lives at jeopardy.


Is this the case?


(because there's no question they got pissed)

	19-04-2003 01:10									#220
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1/3 of all French not only opposed the war, but WANTED SADDAM TO WIN. This was reported as a French poll.

Long, long time...

	19-04-2003 01:12									#221
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paiktis, only in part. Please see my posts...

Btw paiktis, if we do Turkey next, and throw them off of Cyprus, will you support us?

	19-04-2003 01:12									#222
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edit: thanks for the answer.


In your dreams about Turkey... There's fantasy and there's reality.

I hardly see US invading Turkey Cutting some of the geopolitical clout that Turkey's been getting thanks to the US, sure, it's supposed to be happening.

	19-04-2003 01:14									#223
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I have heard rumors that a Canadian boycott may be next.

	19-04-2003 01:17									#224
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Lancer, I never read all those huge threads

But will try to find your replies

	19-04-2003 01:27									#225
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What's the difference between the Turks action in Cyprus and the Iraqi action against the Kurds, or their own Shi'ites?

paiktis, you recall all those UN resolutions? The cease fire agreement Saddam violated? The WMD...

The reason you gave, yes. Like I said though, only in part, meaning there are lots of other reasons that also apply.

	19-04-2003 01:31									#226
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Chris, that might take the form of not traveling to Canada, but we need the wood, and the auto industry is all one.

	19-04-2003 01:33									#227
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Turkey invaded Cyprus after a coup was tried by Greece (which was then itself ruled by a junta) which aimed to unite the island (with an 80% Greek Majority) with Greece.

There has been massacres and rapes by the Turks invading. Noone recognises the occupied part as a state except for Turkey.

Turkey also has violated and is violating numerous UN resolutions (who call for the withdrawl of the turkish occupation forces)... but see noone's really interested in that, besides the Cypriotes and Greeks and those who in general support international law.

The minority turkish cypriotes want to rejoin with their Greek Cypriot compatriotes (and enjoy all the full benefits that the Greek Cypriote part will get in the EU) but the petty dicator named Denktas as well as the military regime of Turkey will have none of it.

They think Cyprus is dangerous for Turkey from a geostrategic point of view, so damn the turkish cypriots and their utter poverty, the occupation continues. Of course there is no such danger, just a bit of powerplay to increase Turkey's land as much as it can.

	19-04-2003 01:34									#228
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I'm sure this kind of action will only have very limited effects on our economy : US and France economies are very linked, an "official" boycott would be stupid for both (anyway, it is illegal and the WTO could impose sanctions).
We can already see it : a special meeting at the White House about the future policies against France was planned yesterday, it has been cancelled. The White House recently rejected an amendment proposed by the Congress to "punish" France. And the list goes on...

It seems even Bush and his guys realized how ridiculous this kind of sanctions was...

	19-04-2003 01:36									#229
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Sounds more like Iraq all the time. Minority population taking power, murder, rape, expansionism...you should support our effort in Iraq...

	19-04-2003 01:36									#230
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quote: ooohhh yago, really? ya think so?

yes

Has America a weak spot ?

I give you a hint.



Hit where it hurts.

	19-04-2003 01:37									#231
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Manlas, it's a boycott, not sanctions.

	19-04-2003 01:38									#232
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Why should the public opinion support your views on Iraq (the gov. is supporting it anyway).

If anything, it is a blatant double standard, don't you think? Turkey and Iraq is the same. However, Turkey is being carressed and helped by the US, Iraq is being bombed.

Besides, how would that help us given the fact that the US has no intention of interfering in a positive way in Cyprus anyway?

I hope you see that what you say doesn't make sense.

	19-04-2003 01:39									#233
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Manlas, it's a boycott, not sanctions.

That's what I meant... doesn't change the point

	19-04-2003 01:42									#234
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paiktis, sure it's a double standard.

So why hasn't Greece invaded? Get the ball rolling...

	19-04-2003 01:44									#235
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Menlas, actually it does. I'm boycotting French stuff. I buy what I want. It has nothing to do with Bush, the US goverment...

It's personal.

	19-04-2003 01:44									#236
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Because we would have Turkey AND the US backing it (where do you think the Turks get all their weapons from ) or the US simply do nothing and maybe we can't cope with that.

Also because we prefer to improve our economy and standard of living and secure Greek Cypriote future (they're already the richest new EU member) and that means trying to solve the problem through economic/diplomatic means.

	19-04-2003 01:50									#237
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No, you wouldn't have US backing Turkey. There would be war in the streets of Washington, and I'd be there myself.

The EU will never get anywhere. It's backwards from now on. You heard it here first.

	19-04-2003 01:51									#238
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quote: Menlas, actually it does. I'm boycotting French stuff. I buy what I want. It has nothing to do with Bush, the US goverment...

How can you tell that something is french stuff ?

Are you checking the background of every company you're buying a product from ?

Or do you think, a "made in .... " sign has any relevance ?

	19-04-2003 01:57									#239
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer No, you wouldn't have US backing Turkey. There would be war in the streets of Washington

Hardly...

Besides, Turkey would have to be far more alianated from the US than what it is now to not get any support.
Also even a neutral stance by the US would be detrimental to Greece given that Turkey has been ammassing weapons all this time (while the poverty of the turkish people is rampant), not to mention a 10 million - 60 million difference in population.

quote: The EU will never get anywhere. It's backwards from now on. You heard it here first.

I don't think so. It comes through quite nicely every given time so far

	19-04-2003 01:58									#240
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Did you know that a French holding company owns Universal Studios? There's Michalin tires...but not Frenches mustard. French wines and water... you get the idea. It's costing France a fortune already, and this is just the begining. The French have counter-bocotted and this is really helping American boycotts gain support.

Keep it up.

Are you aware that American travel to France is WAY off?

Can you say 'b i l l i o n s'?