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Spiffor
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:27
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What song is that please ?
Oh, and handmade translation :
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Child of a failed generation
Who only thought to dream
Of white flags
Me, I want some nuclear
I want sex and blood,
Bombs in the mass transit
Even though I'm just a child
Child of a failed generation
Always in front of TV
We jerk off watching the bombings
Oh my god it is arousing
Me, I want some nuclear
I want sex and blood,
Bombs in the mass transit
Even though I'm just a child
Under the ruins of a world
We remember Massud
And the dreams we have had
Of love and peace
God bless america
God wound america*
Under the ruins of a God
We remember Massud
And the dreams of Freedom,
Of love and peace
God bless america
God wounds america
To open the eyes on capitalism
The ideal happiness
And all the spilled blood
Of billions of poor
Of billions of humans
But billions of Humans
Aren't worth a buck
TO open the eyes
On the poor good god
who didn't ask for anything
And who doesn't know his name
As he is so much lost
Among the horrors
His sons are committing
On behalf of ignorance
To open the eyes on the entire universe
To open the eyes and to close them at last
TO open the eyes and then to leave this world
For a better tomorrow
Me, I want some nuclear
Sex and blood,
Bombs in the mass transit
Even though I'm not a child
God bless america
God wounds america |
*"blesser" in French meanst "to wound", so the usual "God bless America" phrase gives an easy pun.
Now that I've reread it and translated it, it really sounds like some semi-intellectual fashion song. Care to tell me what it is, please ?
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SpencerH
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Co-Ruler of my patch of land south of Birmingham Alabama
Feb 2002
time: 23:27
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Originally posted by Spiffor
I must admit something. I am probably among the French people that get are the most exposed to Americans. I like almost all of you Yanks here, and the dislike I can have for the few others comes from purely personal reasons, NOT their nationality.
But I can't take the surrender jokes anymore. I can't take the consistent bashing my country suffers anymore. Call me paranoid if you want, but I think I'd get called "cheese-eating surrender monkey" at every corner of the street if I decide to go anywhere else in the US than NY. I grew to think I'd hear "go back to your country" once a day, because of my acute French accent.
It may be a misconception, and it certainly is. But it is a misconception i grew to have HERE, in this very forum, with the very people that post here. No particular names, such an impression comes from the collective posting, even though I acknowledge some people try their best to avoid the stupidity of French-bashing. |
I'm genuinely sorry to hear that. But let me point out a couple of things.
Americans may not know you have a french accent. After all, many of them couldnt point out France on a map. Secondly, while they may hate you today they'll forgive y'all and love y'all tomorrow. In my experience, and I've lived in quite a few places, Americans are the most friendly people on the planet.
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Bereta_Eder
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Basically it seems to me he's the Britney Speers of discontent.
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Skywise
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Samara's best friend
Jan 2002
time: 05:27
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Originally posted by SpencerH
Actually the funniest part of your diatribe is that you seem to think that none of us have been to Canada. It may shock you to find that some of us have actually lived there. So with that in mind. |
When did I say all? Majority, meanning the average joe, like there are everywhere...we established that.
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"Maybe, but we have none" (metal detectors in school)
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There may not be metal detectors in Canadian schools, I dont know, I dont care enough to find out for sure. That doesnt mean that there arent schools in every big city in Canada that should have them. I know there are uniformed security in some Canadian high-schools.
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Still, no metal detectors.
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'Maybe so, but try doing that in a big city, here you can walk in any alley in Montreal without fear. '
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Pull the other one. There are lots of places in Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal that I would not walk into without good reason. I can show you good spots to be mugged in within shouting distance of the parliment builidings. |
Have you ever been to Montreal? Or have you seen pictures and chose which building was which? First of all, the Town hall, with its other buidings is in the Old Montreal which is a high class part of the city. If you can pay 1000$ for a 3 and a half take it, it's a good deal, so you can imagine that the crime rate there is REALLY low, one of the safest part of Montreal. So please tell me where those buildings you talk about are.
About walking at night, I know some places are "dangerous", but dangerous is not on the same level as dangerous is in L.A.. My friend went to L.A. on business 3 years ago and he got robed twice in one week. Someone ran away with his jacket at a bus stop on the first day and he got taxed 3 days later for his breifcase and wallet comin back from a meeting...I know, talk about unlucky but still...it happened. Admit it, it's alot safer here "for now" than it is in the US in general, you cant deny that.
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IMO americans are fatter than canadians. The fat police (aka we-know-better-than-you-and-will-tell-you-how-to-live-socialists) are not as active here. |
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It ain't hard to find that. In fact, 24 hour bars aren't that difficult to find either. |
'That, I didn't know.'
Well thats a surprise! Guess you dont know as much about the USA as you think you do? Eh!
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Ah yes, and you know much about Montreal... Atleast I dont admit stuff I dont know...
SPec.
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SpencerH
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Co-Ruler of my patch of land south of Birmingham Alabama
Feb 2002
time: 23:27
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Originally posted by Spec
Have you ever been to Montreal? Or have you seen pictures and chose which building was which? First of all, the Town hall, with its other buidings is in the Old Montreal which is a high class part of the city. If you can pay 1000$ for a 3 and a half take it, it's a good deal, so you can imagine that the crime rate there is REALLY low, one of the safest part of Montreal. So please tell me where those buildings you talk about are.
About walking at night, I know some places are "dangerous", but dangerous is not on the same level as dangerous is in L.A.. My friend went to L.A. on business 3 years ago and he got robed twice in one week. Someone ran away with his jacket at a bus stop on the first day and he got taxed 3 days later for his breifcase and wallet comin back from a meeting...I know, talk about unlucky but still...it happened. Admit it, it's alot safer here "for now" than it is in the US in general, you cant deny that. |
Whether montreal is safer than LA was not the point. You stated that "here you can walk in any alley in Montreal without fear". I havent been in Montreal since before you were born but St Catherines was a less than reputable place then and I'm reasonably sure it hasnt chnged that much since that time. So unless you're the re-incarnation of Bruce Lee you're stretching credulity a tad.
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Comrade Tassadar
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I typed up a long post replying to too many posts in this thead, but then I realized......
Why contribute to the senseless hatred?
To the US: You need to get over the French standing up for what they believe. Stop acting like little children by renaming stuff "Freedom fries" and essentially saying "Well, since you wont play it my way, I wont be friends with YOU anymore. I'll be friends with LITHUANIA. Neener neener neener!!!!". I'm sorry but for the people of a superpower to be acting like this is both terrible embarassing (sp) and disturbing and don't even get me started on when it goes to government level.
You guys need Clinton back 
To France: Stop acting as if your morally superior in any way because France is NOT. You guys have commited your fair share of atrocities and while you feel guilty for them, stop pretending that your superior in any way.
To everyone: Just stop the mindless, childish hatred of one-another. Part of the reason that (dont laugh) adults can have sex and children can't is because adults are seen as MORE MATURE and able to make such a large decision. So instead of (on the French side) ACTING more mature, (to the Americans) BE more mature.
Mindless hatred has caused too many wars and even if those wars happend hundreds of years ago, they still have an affect on us today.
Also, we need to make sure we distinguish the government from the people. Americans are ignorant, but they are very friendly people (if you can forgive the uber-patriotism). While the French generally are more intelligent, they also are (generally) snobbier than Americans.
Accept your strengths, accept your differences, and most of all: ACCEPT YOUR WEAKNESSES.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:27
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I thought Ste Catherines was the party street with all the great bars. At least I think that was the place I used to party back in the 80s. The only problem with the bars there was that everyone seemed to be from out of town.
Montreal is a great city. I never thought about crime, unlike walking near East Hastings in Vancouver, or going into pretty much any major American city.
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Urban Ranger
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Apolyton Duke of Off-Topic
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Originally posted by Chris 62
First, the French, as was there right, refused to agree with an ultimatum, BUT THEN went out of their way to ensure any vote would fail, even if they to veto it.
Considering that France has been circumventing UN snactions vs Iraq, that is quite damning. |
Well Chris, I don't think you should look at this whole thing from a moralistic standpoint. This is politics and each country is out to serve its own interests.
Be that as it may, a sticky question remains as to why the US didn't put forth the second resolution. If the UNSC really would pass it, with France (possibly other countries as well), that's more political ammo for Bush & Co. One has to wonder why this wasn't done.
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Originally posted by Chris 62
Another reason was attempting to bully NATO, an organization they don't contribute too militarily, by sabotaging protection for Turkey. |
It turned out that Iraq was not capable to attack anybody. AFAIK, no Scuds were used. So France was correct in the estimation of Iraqi offensive capabilities.
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Originally posted by Chris 62
A third reason is that many insiders say France applied presure to several key Turkish ministers, using the club of "no possibility of EU admintance" to get them to refuse US troops to be stationed in Turkey, making the war more difficult, and possibly more costly in lives lost. |
Well if Bush wasn't that impatient, the second round of voting is supposed to allow the US use of bases in Turkey.
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Originally posted by Chris 62
If France had simply said we want inspections, and then allowed a vote, without strong-arming African nations on the SC and threatening Veto, I doubt people would have boycotted. |
How did France "strong-armed" these countries? If you are talking about economic interests, it'd just a tug-of-war between the US and France. It seems to me that the US'd have an upperhand.
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Spiffor
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:27
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Originally posted by Frogman
Montreal is a great city, but I am struck by this battle between french and english words on signs. I know they have to fight to keep english from overrunning the french flavor the city has, but it does point to this deeper battle the french are fighting to maintain the prominence of their culture vs american/english. |
French speaking governments, and people to some extent, are fighting to keep their language alive. The French culture is nowadays very defensive, so it is more about the salvation of the identity rather than the cultural upper hand. I admit the French culture would be more agressive if it had enough power to do so.
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Its more than the french being against the war. Its the apparent backing and support of Saddams military and selling us out for economic gain by trading with Iraq in spite of the sanctions. |
That I can understand. It is not more amoral than the rest of Internation Relations, but it is amoral nonetheless. But hat do you mean by "selling us out" ?
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The real anger comes from their unwillingness to work with us ever since the end of GW1 and their boasting about a veto even if they lost the vote on any UN mandate for force. |
I think it is extremely arguable to hate the French because they didn't work with you. It is arrogant, to say the least, to expect another independent country to always go the way you want to, because France is no vassal of the US.
It was in US' interests to oust Saddam. It was in France's interests to keep him.
I admit this could have been resolved if there had been actually skilled diplomats in both countries, because the US could have simply offered France to keep its deals in postwar Iraq. But it didn't happen, and the US behaviour basically ruined every French interests in Iraq. Why should have France followed you ? Your behaviour was as destructive to our interests as our behavious towards yours, if not more.
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The germans seem to get off scott free in this, but we fought them twice last century while the french were supposed to be our allies. |
Again, allies doesn't mean vassals. We have a clear alliance with the US, and we'll mobilize our army and nuclear ability should our American ally be attacked, as per NATO treaty. We have no obligation to support you in agressive wars, no more than you have the obligation to support us in our agressive wars. I remember the US hadn't supported France during the Suez war in 1956, and rightly so.
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This is not an easy patch. The anger against the french in the US is widespread and deep. Add this to the cultural battle the french are waging and I don't see how this rift will heal. |
Widespread, no doubt. Deep, I don't know. I remember very well that my brother was very appreciated when he worked in the US, a mere two years ago. At that time, being French was pretty popular. Except for a few surrender jokes every now and then, I've noticed there was nearly no French-bashing on these boards before the Iraqi charade. I may be wrong, but I think the recent surge of hatred isn't old enough to be deep.
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As for me, I say screw the french. I won't drink their wine. I am going to enjoy watching them beg for a role in Iraq. I'm sure GWB has a real vital role in mind. |
Do as you feel fit. But be aware the punishment of a whole population because you disagree with their leader's policy isn't reasonable.
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17-04-2003 03:58
You must really be scared easily because Ste-Catherines is busy 24 hours a day. There is always people on the street, nothing can happen to you. I would walk from east to west at any time of day! And you reasonably think that in 25 years it hasn't changed? Are you frikin serious?
Sorry Rah 
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