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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:28
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As well as every other "bad" regime in history right?
I wonder who's going to solve the problem of a "bad" US government... |
The are a lot of Americans who promised us that they would leave the US if Bush got elected. They are still here. All of them. But they, like you, see no good in the United States. Our internvention in Iraq is evil, to them, because Bush did it. Bush, a Republican.
I only wish these Bush bashers, like Sean Penn, would visit Iraq now and see how long they even survive. I bet angry mobs will tear them limb for limb because they supported a brutal dictator.
Master Zen, on the issue of Latin America not wanting us, I bet they do want us when law and order completely breaks down and mobs are wandering the streets. The people who want us are the avearage folk who simply want good government that will protect them and their property. The people of Latin American who do not want us are the communists and their allies who want to impose an egalitarian dark age on Latin America in the mold of Castro's medieval nightmare of abuse.
Think about it.
Why are you, Master Zen, taking the sides of brutal dictators, theives and communists against America? Are you one of these?
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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:28
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Ned, you haven't even been to Latin America most likely, who the hell are you to know what they want and need???
YOU are the narrow-minded one who seems to brand everyone a "communist" if he doesn't share the US view of the world. Communism is dead buddy, it's dead everywhere in Latin America. Castro is the last one and he will surely be gone. You don't know squat about Latin American politics, ideologies, etc. all you are doing is blasting nonsense based on no fact whatsoever. I dare you, I really do, to come over, spend some time and then repeat exactly the same things you have been saying.
No I am not a communist, but thanks for asking  I am a person who dislikes US interference in the foreign affairs of others. If that is "communism" to you, look in the mirror and see who's the one who's been brainwashed.
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:28
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Originally posted by Ned
It believes in certain general principles such as democracy and human rights. We patriotic Americans are willing to fight for freedom, for ourselves for the sake of others.
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Then why has the US just as, if not more often (let's avoid a count  ) supported dictatorship and oppression, when the dictators and oppressors were friendly to US ideological and/or commercial interests? 
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Our patriotism is a belief that we can do good and have done good in liberating Iraq. When we succeed in liberating a people and bringing them freedom and justice from oppression and murder, we are proud. Such is American patriotism. |
Then why is it that many of the people who espouse this line immediately find excuses for making Iraq a one-off exception, and finding reasons why we can't (won't) ever do anything about it - Zimbabwe, Myanmar, Sudan, dozens of other countries. Most of the same people who spout the "goodness" and "liberation" pablum also rationalize the relatively low pace of engagement and low level of financial commitment in Afghanistan by "we were only there to get rid of the Taleban and al Qaeda, anything else we do is a bonus." So why are these "good" "noble" "inclusive" folks looking for excuses to avoid having the invasion of Iraq become part of a consistent human rights doctrine?
You can't do this:
1. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator
2. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator
3. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator
4. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator
5. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator
6. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator, oil, nobody likes him
7. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator
8. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator
9. Human rights abuse, nasty dictator, no oil, but nobody likes them either and they have terrorists
and say, "Hey, lets go get number 6 and number 9, because we're really nice guys who hate human rights abusers" and expect anyone else to believe that nonsense.
edit - fixed number
Last edited by MichaeltheGreat on 12-05-2003 at 10:26
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:28
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Originally posted by Ned
Master Zen, on the issue of Latin America not wanting us, I bet they do want us when law and order completely breaks down and mobs are wandering the streets.
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We're doing just fine without Yanquis imperialism thank you.
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The people who want us are the avearage folk who simply want good government that will protect them and their property. |
The US has never been involved in providing either. Partly cleaning up ****ups of your own creation (a la Noriega) doesn't count.
What you have done is horseshit like in El Salvador, where the Salvadoran people were used as pawns in cold war proxy games, and once the US lost interest, the thugs armed by the US and the thugs armed by the USSR got together as criminal gangs because they outgun the legitimate authorities. Or Nicaragua, which was invaded numerous times to keep things in line for United Fruit. The true ******* leaders of this hemisphere - Stroessner, Peron, Pinochet, Papa Doc, Batasta, Trujillo, etc. etc. have all been ******* buddies of the US government and commercial interests.
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The people of Latin American who do not want us are the communists and their allies who want to impose an egalitarian dark age on Latin America in the mold of Castro's medieval nightmare of abuse.
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And everyone else, with the exception of a very few who've benefitted directly or indirectly from some form of colonial or neocolonial theivery or corruption. The middle class doesn't want you. Most of them would be happy to tell you the gringos what to do with their pinche Monroe Doctrine - "you Europeans **** off, we're the only imperial power allowed in this hemisphere"  BTW, Castro isn't appreciably worse than Batista was, and in a lot of ways, he's better. Trouble is, Batista (and his wife) were paid whores of United Fruit and M. A. Hanna, and sold off Cuban resources for a song (and a 10% kickback for he and his wife). Castro nationalized what had been taken by graft. Therein the difference lies as far as the US is concerned - otherwise, they couldn't tell one banana country's brown skinned uniformed leader from another.
The only thing I'm wondering is if this BS is just a troll.
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Why are you, Master Zen, taking the sides of brutal dictators, theives and communists against America? Are you one of these? |
Any foreigner in his right mind has good reasons to be opposed to US arrogance and the US notion that it has the God-given right to do anything it wants to anyone in the world, if it's perceived to fit Yanquis interests. Saudi Arabia is the most oppressive regime in the ME by far, and the US has had it's nose up the Saudi royal's collective asses for decades, because they're our boys. Human rights and the Saudi people be damned. It's the same in the rest of the world - the US is interested in exact proportion to it's own strategic and commercial interests, no more and no less.
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12-05-2003 08:51
USA! USA! USA! 
right on Master Zen... America is infected with a large group of ignorant people that don't know what goes on outside of their own little worlds. Politicians have these sheep brainwashed into thinking the world is black and white. And it's unfortunate because these people also vote... 
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