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Agathon is offline Agathon
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You know, in Texas, public urination is a sex crime ...


Yeah, Ozzy Osbourne got arrested for peeing on the Alamo. Apparently the FBI was concerned that this might be the beginnings of a campaign to pee on various national monuments (it wasn't, he was just ****faced), so they followed him around for a while.

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well just a little update,

they accepted the plea bargin, so as of july 1st i'll be sentenced and this will hopefully be over

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Great news !

Let's hope everything works all right. It sure looks better than a week ago

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Spiffor

hehe yea it is, i was very happy with the way things went down

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what were the crimes? were you really innocent? or were you more like one of these kids who downloads games and thinks they're not stealing?

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i was charged with statutory, attempted statutory, and two lessor charges related to statutory...so super sneak and AH were right

7 weeks before my gf's birthday we decided to sneak out one night and her parents caught us, and although she had on all of her clothes i was like half naked, so it was a pretty bad situation, in fact her mom hit me a bunch of times in the face and busted my lip, it was a pretty crazy night, and although we hadn't done anything yet that night i still looked guilty as hell

anyways it was the prosecutor was the one who brought out in court the issue that in 7 weeks everything would have been legal, so that was cool (though earlier in the process my lawyer told me her mom wanted my blood so they actively pursed it)...i plead guilty to contributing, and hopefully it'll be over soon which would be awsome because there has been a court issued restraining order barring all contact and communication between her and I (for witness tampering reasons I assume)...so hopefully when that goes away we'll get another chance, but we'll just have to see...i love her though and hopefully love can overcome time apart

Rogan Josh is offline Rogan Josh
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Jan 1970
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  Old Post 25-05-2003 14:16
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How old do you have to be before it is legal?

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Way to go Korn I hope you two get back together...

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What? I can't believe it. This was what you did? Oh man.. the way I see it, the mommy should get sentenced for attacking you!

No Justice!

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I thought you had like robbed a gas station but they couldn't find your gun or something. Where you live man? That's just crazy, so much trouble for so little.

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  Old Post 25-05-2003 18:18
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I agree with Pekka - you should have made a formal charge of assault against the mother.

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Well, you should obviously snub her mother from now on. Also if your gf really loves you, she will leave her parents over this issue. If not, then she doesn't love you and is still being a child. I guess that's why the law is as it is. Lots of people are still suck-off-their-parents children...

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Yeah, I don't know how old your gf is, but do you really want to be with her if she doesn't stand up for you? You can't get along with the family later on, or do you see yourself spending thanksgiving there? How can you forget that.. she's obviously violent person, sure she was 'defending his daughter' but come on.
If you love her, that's cool, but if she loves you, she will stand up for YOU.

It takes two to tango, so if the parents can't see that.. if she wasn't objecting you and was in it as much as you, then why did they want your blood? Did your gf plead her parents and say that she was as guilty as you? Or did she try to save her own butt? Either way, I'd make her state her position with this and then stick with it even if the parents pressures her.

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  Old Post 25-05-2003 21:12
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All I can say is...this is such a perversion of justice. That the prosecutor even bothered to go after you is a crock of BS. As Pekka said, he should have charged the mother with assault.

Well, hopefully you're getting it all behind you. I'd recommend you and your gf get out of that puritanical hellhole as soon as you are both of age. I'd have gotten the local media involved and broadcast to the world the fact that in this twisted place, making out with your girlfriend is an crime while beating a teenage boy is okay...

Agathon is offline Agathon
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If the age of consent is 18 where you live it is even more ridiculous.

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How old are you, Korn?

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Are you much older than her? I think that makes a difference at least here in Finland. I.e. having sex with someone under 15 is illegal, unless you are under 17 yourself. Or something like that.

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In many states, the age of consent has a little leeway. If she's 17, the most likely he'd have to be 20 or older to get in trouble. In most states, and 18 year-old can have sex with a 16 year-old, and a 19 year-old can have have sex with someone who is 17 or older.

Korn? Why didn't you press assault and battery charges against the mother?

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Korn? Why didn't you press assault and battery charges against the mother?

I think he wanted this **** to be over as soon as possible, and he didn't want to engage in a fight he could have lost, resulting in a worsening of his own case.
At least, that's what I understand from the first pages of the thread.

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I would have thought of it as leverage. I'll drop the charges if you do.

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Just reassure me it wasn't her 12th birthday.

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i'm 25, and i'll be 26 in a few weeks, and she's 17, so there is a fairly significant age difference, but we had a connection from the moment we first met. it's hard to describe, just except that i have never felt that way around any one else. i personally believe in soulmates, and i think she is mine, but for those that don't believe in soulmates, then we are just completely compatable people. also i'm not your typical 25 year old, i'm sorta behind on the curve and she's ahead, but basically we feel like peers and best friends.

while i don't think they should completely repeal the statutory rape laws, they certainly need reform. if everybody involved could have taken a common sense pill for like 5 minutes that would have been about how long it would have taken to work things out. instead we went through this process, and although i truly think it was unneeded, I have became a better person since this happened.

The reason I didn't press charges against the mother is because of my lawyer's advice. He said basically in that situation it was the parent's perogative, and that there isn't a jury in the nation that would convict on that. Plus he said it would make the entire thing worse, and I agreed. The fact is my g/f and I messed up. I knew some of her cousins and she knew some of mine and we were friends for a year, then we started dating, and we dated for like four months. Her parents gave us mixed signals during that time, and part of me knew they weren't happy about it, but another part of me thought it was ok. She lived like an hour away from me, but she was only like 15 minutes or so from my grandparents house. So when I'd goto visit them I'd go by and see her as well. Where we messed us is with her dad. We should have had a long talk with him and got him completely on our side, and although her mom was pretty much against it, it would have been ok. Instead we thought we'd be slick and sneak out, but it back fired. Though like 5 minutes before her parents showed up, I told her (and completely meant it) that I didn't think I could be any happier than at that moment. Until friday that was basically true. After it happened, instead of taking me to the police station her parents let me go, and I thought it was over. I went to work then when I got home, I had a message telling me we really needed to talk because her parents had went to the police. I was freaking out. She called me the next day, and had told me that originally the cops had charged me with kidnapping, forcible rape, etc. Just everything they could think of, and because she was so adamant they knocked it down to a single charge of statutory. It wasn't till feb that the grand jury added all of this onto it. We appologized to each other that night, and told each other that we didn't want to ruin each others' lives, but that we wouldn't give up. She said she didn't know what would happen, that maybe they'd drop it and just take out a restraining order. Instead, three weeks later I was at work (i worked at walmart at the time, and walmart is all about family values, so they let me resign and get the hell out of their lol) and right as i was getting ready to leave for college the police showed up and arrested me. I had actually called in sick one day, and while I didn't know it the police were waiting on me that day. A couple of weeks after I was arrested she got in touch with me, and told me she still loved me and not to give up. Like when we thought they had dropped charges we talked again and were happy that it was almost over then, but then they indicted me and all of this happened, and at court when I plead not guilty they reaffirmed that the restraining order was in effect, and my lawyer told me in no uncertain terms not to have any communication with her. So it's been a while, but it's about over and I have a good feeling about it all. One thing this taught me though is that freedom is invaluable!

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Sure there's difference in age but she's already 17, who cares, that's old enough.

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Over here, the legal age for sex is 15. The 18 year-old limit is extremely absurd IMHO. I'm surprised the judiciary has goven followings to such an absurd case

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18 year old limit is a joke.

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After hearing the details I think you were crazy to make a plea bargin. You did nothing wrong and I really don't believe that US juries are that loony! In Europe, even if you had done anything (which it seems you hadn't) then it still wouldn't be a crime. Whereas the mother's actions definitely were.

Justice has not been served

PS: And you should dump the gf. I don't believe she couldn't talk her parents out of pressing the charges if she wanted it bad enough. You have to face facts - it is obvious she doesn't care for you as you do for her.

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Yeah, I think korn didn't do anything wrong. Quite the opposite, he was the victim here. No justice, no peace.

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Over here, the legal age for sex is 15. The 18 year-old limit is extremely absurd IMHO. I'm surprised the judiciary has goven followings to such an absurd case


So what's magic about 15? Why not as soon as they bleed? Or why not when they no longer have a claim on their parents for support. (i.e. 18)?

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Korn, you should have a talk with her. I agree with Rogan. That is complete bullshit on the girl's part. She should have walked. She is still a child for sure, if she is staying with her parents right now...

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Why not 21 while were at it? Hell, let's just ban sex!

 
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