08-06-2003 21:54									#31
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 thats cause youre crazy pinko commies

Well, yeah.

	08-06-2003 21:55									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild And frankly, I want to get married one day. I don't want to be civil unionised. Yeah, civil unions are a step forward but they're not the goal.

Go to the Netherlands or Norway. They allow gay marraiges.

	08-06-2003 21:56									#33
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Actually, Bunnygrrl and I would rather have a civil union than a marriage.

Getting hitched at city hall isn't enough for you?

	08-06-2003 21:57									#34
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maybe he wants to be a normal person one day and marry a woman.

	08-06-2003 22:04									#35
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Go to the Netherlands or Norway. They allow gay marraiges.

Don't they allow it in some US states?

	08-06-2003 22:04									#36
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Go to the Netherlands or Norway. They allow gay marraiges.

Yes but that totally disrupts my plans to be married in the english garden of an aristocratic manor, with both of us in modern tuxes, my family seated on the right, his on the left, have a witness from the register's office observe, exchange rings with the words "With this ring" on the outside and "I thy wed" on the inside (white gold rings of course!), have the floral display be white roses, serve Vietnamese spring rolls to start followed by a choice between roast pork served on a bed of greens with roast potatos or salmon in a lemon and pepper sauce with stirfried bok choy and finish with a dessert of fresh summer fruits (this wedding shall be in July I say JULY!), and have Charlotte Church sing for us.

	08-06-2003 22:06									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Cause it's a mallard instead of a duck? If it has all the rights of marriage, why not simply call it marriage? Why call it "civil unions", a term that drips with the implied notion of "pretend marriage for those people". A special catagory created by fiat can just as easily be uncreated. Instead of being included in a centuries old tradition that acknowledges long term relationships as an important part of society, we're getting a bone thrown to us.

Better a bone than a brick.

Part of the reason for those benefits (pension et al) going to married couples is to encourage stability in families.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but gay couples have never produced any babies. OK, lesbian couples have - but to the majority of the politicians and Church people, this is the sticking point.

If we start encouraging marriage for purposes other than having kids in a stable environment, it doesn't really say a lot for society, does it?

By not calling it marriage the govt is ducking the bullet and giving a sop to those right wingers. It's not what any side wants - compromises never are.

But if it gives more equality and justice, I'm for it. It might even encourage more straight people to get married, because now the subject is being debated and listed in the papers.

	08-06-2003 22:06									#38
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sounds like a lovely plan, except for the charlotte church part. shes a wench anyway.

	08-06-2003 22:07									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Don't they allow it in some US states?

Didn't you hear him say that he doesn't want a civil union?

	08-06-2003 22:07									#40
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Why your family on the right? Are you the symbolic groom? Why not the symbolic bride?

	08-06-2003 22:16									#41
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Why your family on the right? Are you the symbolic groom? Why not the symbolic bride?

It's a subtle irony based on what's going to happen during the honeymoon.

quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Part of the reason for those benefits (pension et al) going to married couples is to encourage stability in families. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but gay couples have never produced any babies. OK, lesbian couples have - but to the majority of the politicians and Church people, this is the sticking point. If we start encouraging marriage for purposes other than having kids in a stable environment, it doesn't really say a lot for society, does it?

So good to know marriage is about breeding. Dang and darn all those infertile couples and those selfish ones that dont' want to have kids.

And who says I won't adopt?

Smookie, if we're going to get into what the Church thinks, they've got to give me an adaquate explanation on why they wear clothing made from two different materials (abomination!) before they can dictate to me what I do when it comes to love.

Besides, I can argue that a double income no kids (DINK) marriage typical of gay relationships would be far more beneficial to society in terms of the economy than the rather costly choice of children.

But I get what you're saying about compromise. Civil unions are a step forward but that doesn't mean we get to stop running.

	08-06-2003 22:42									#42
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Another way to make everybody equal, whatever is their sexual orientation is to suppress the marriage status. Apparently its only justification is to give rights to some priviledged people.

	08-06-2003 23:07									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp There's an obvious answer to negate any form of unbalance. Allow gay marriage.

Thats still is unbalanced against single people.

I think you should just be able to nominate any person(s) to be your beneficiary or partner for any given issue. Leave marriage to be a social issue, not a legal one.

	08-06-2003 23:14									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch Thats still is unbalanced against single people. I think you should just be able to nominate any person(s) to be your beneficiary or partner for any given issue. Leave marriage to be a social issue, not a legal one.

You can. The problem comes when no will has been written up in advance ("of course we're never going to die and our love will last forever" - WRONG).

	08-06-2003 23:53									#45
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quote: You can. The problem comes when no will has been written up in advance

Not in all circumstances. Take inheritance tax on death estates, as you have just raised the will inheritance issue.

A husband or wife can leave all their possessions to their spouse, whether they are jointly or individually owned, and no tax has to be paid on the transfer.

Leave those possession to any other person and the residual legatee is liable to pay inheritance tax of 40% on the taxable transfers.

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My opinion: Remove government the business of Marriage totally. If anyone wants to hold a marriage ceremony privately, let them. As for the issue of joint filing on taxes, allow any group of people that live together as a household do so if they so wish.

	09-06-2003 00:27									#47
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Shi's got it.

	09-06-2003 00:27									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild It's a subtle irony based on what's going to happen during the honeymoon.

And we learn that Starchild's a top.

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I was gonna say something but I don't think we want the thread to go there.

	09-06-2003 00:53									#51
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Relax people, Bods is just a closet case...trust me, I've heard about these things

	09-06-2003 01:16									#52
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Says Asperger's.

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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Says Asperger's.

quote: Asperger's Syndrome, also known as Asperger's Disorder or Autistic Psychopathy, is a Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) characterized by severe and sustained impairment in social interaction, development of restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, and activities. These characteristics result in clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. http://users.wpi.edu/~trek/aspergers.html

*Sigh*

You're seeing a doctor for that little problem of yours, right Bods?

	09-06-2003 01:26									#54
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The inanimate objects pots and kettles and the colour black spring to mind at this present time

	09-06-2003 01:27									#55
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It's not very nice to use Asperger's as an insult, since we know several regulars here have Asperger's.

	09-06-2003 01:34									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison The inanimate objects pots and kettles and the colour black spring to mind at this present time

I was about to say the same thing about your post..what is it, 26 years and waiting?

	09-06-2003 01:39									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I was about to say the same thing about your post..what is it, 26 years and waiting?

Difference is, I have information to make the statement I have made, but mums the word I'm afraid

	09-06-2003 01:41									#59
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You sound like Powell.

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Now you'd prefer to sound like Saddam, that's for sure