05-04-2004 02:36									#511
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Really on the archer?

I think you got lucky with a regular unit.

I figured to wait until they were all wounded

I did move south galleys south as suggested.

Yep, I guess wait and see what they do next.......

	05-04-2004 19:20									#512
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Well guys I screwed up and forgot to pop rush walls in Siamang

I remebered a coupke of hours AFTER sending the turn on

Hopefully we wont be faced with the full scale attack this turn

	06-04-2004 04:02									#513
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Oh Dear

	06-04-2004 07:26									#514
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C'est la vie, con.

	08-04-2004 00:56									#515
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Python has the save.

If we get it tonight lets post screenies discuss and then play tomorrow.

Sound like a plan?

	12-04-2004 04:01									#516
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Well my fvck up is complete they captured siamang.

With the culture the way it is I say we abondon "The Holy Grill" and fall back on the core.

They still have enough left in that stack they would could not take it down, even with it being wounded.

Thats my take, you guys take a look.

And I cant do screen shots because my laptop is with my wife and kids this week on vacation.

	12-04-2004 04:32									#517
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Save is here. Ft Siamang has fallen. Beta and H_E are dead. Their losses were not too bad - all things considered.

Not having the city autoraze has hurt. They have also completed the road to the south.

We also have a world map - and lo and behold, the other continent can easily make it to our land. There is a clear croos-over point to New Plymouth. So - I think we need to get on the horn and let loose on the others.

If we do not get help - we are toast.

So - anybody up for a counter-attack. I thoght they would be a in much worse shape than they are.

	12-04-2004 16:54									#518
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This is my take....

COD Turn
7 COD horses attacked....they lose half the other half retreat. (4 survived)

Python Turn
All the catapults shoot.
Python attacks with their horsemen. (5 attack, only 1 retreats)
Python has a horseman in the North which also attacks (say it retreats)
Python may have additional horsemen that we could not see, and could attack because the road was built...(unknown results)
Python attacks with their the two swords to the east. (Both Die)
Python attack with their swords from the south (7 attack. 6 die. 1 takes the capital)

This is my guess at the results.

Python will want to use every available unit to protect their catapults which cannot move after firing at Siamang.
They will have only 1 sword in the city. Everthing they had left, will be put onto the catapults to protect them.

So deaths to COD ... Say 3-4 horsemen
Deaths to Python ... Say 4 horsemen, 6 swords.
Deaths to us ... 8 Mercs.

I'd say this was not a good result.

We would of faired much better had they been facing 13-16 mercs in a single city, than two cities each with 8 mercs.
Lesson learnt ... dont spilt our forces.

Allowing them to take Siamang also hurts. But mistakes happen...we play with the hand we are dealt. I am still having fun



Moving forward to the next turn...

CoD cannot attack us.
Python however ...
Can attack with 8 swords that we can see (anything better that 3 health left)
Plus the sword in Siamang (if its not too injured)
Plus any horsemen reinforcements that we cannot see.

I count 8 sources of Iron on the other continent. And they cannot be traded to our continent.
Therefore, no-one can build anymore swords/medieval infantry or knights on our continent.

All we have to worry about is rampaging horsemen covered by spearmen.
And a total of 11 swords that Python still have.

It is my guess, that they will want to protect their last few remaining swords.
They will move them into Seige??erilous (Siamang) to heal.

However, if they do attack....8 swords and maybe some horsemen.
And then when they all die...they will become desperate and attack with the remaining horse/sword/spears.

So a total of maybe 16-20 units.
(But only 8 are dangerous swords.)

We can have...
11 mercs
1 archer
3 warriors
Covered by 6 catapults
In The Holy Grill

I think the city will hold if they attack.
And if they attack... then they will kill every sword that they have left.

Most likely, they will retreat, and wait for more horsemen.

But...I would gamble, and leave everything we got in The Grill. (And actually hope that they will attack)

So..
Bomb away with the Catapults.
And fortify everything we got into The Grill.

You guys get to play the turn.


{edit} - Beta, the odds are against us if we counterattack

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	12-04-2004 19:24									#519
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And more thoughts...

If they do retreat to heal (Which I suspect they will do)
We use the cats to bomb the road network.

	12-04-2004 20:22									#520
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H_E. I agree the result was not good. I thought the odds were pretty good of Ft Siamang standing - or at least beating the sword stack down to near nothing.

So - yes - the Holy Grill is it. And I think Horses are the new threat. So, I suggest we go to straight NM and archer production.

And - I need to get going on a PR campaign. Mayeb I should turn military matters over to you H_E, and stick to what I do best.

and btw - I agree about the counter-attack. Their stack was not weakened sufficiently.

	13-04-2004 06:21									#521
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330bc turn played

And I did a bad thing. I counter-attacked. But just a bit. In honor of Kill Bill 2 coming out this weekend, I turned Uma loose after the catapults fired (3 hit btw I think). She was not hit by a python catapult, and took down a sword. Emboldened my good luck, I attacked with Sylvester to maintain the hollywood theme. He killed a sword as well, but was down to one pip. Discretion was clearly the better part of valor at this time - so I quit. I know, I shouldn't have attacked. And it could have been a mess. I agree. I promise to show more patience in the future.

(And I was lucky. Then again - the swords were already wounded - and they were not fortified. The odds were good - but we cannot afford losses. Oh for a stack of 10 horse - or 10 arches. We could have made some hay.)

So - here is what the Python stack looks like now:

http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php...Pythonstack.JPG

And this is the overall picture:

http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php...onkey-330bc.JPG

The cities are producing well. 3 more mercs out in two turns. Also - with a bit of tweaking - PC will build barracks in two turns. It is also up to 16 shields per turn (with one going to corruption) so it will be set to turn out two-turn mercs.

We will need to adjust the slider next turn. Macaque grows, and I had to convert one of Gorilla's wf to a taxman. It did not affect the NM production.

Two catapults out next turn.

The merc on Monkey Island has landed in the city - he was renamed Cottage Kid. I made one small boo boo. I moved the first of the northen workers to the empty grassland tile. The second was frozen. I should have moved the first to the Holy Grill to rush walls. Although I suspect we will probably be safe for a couple of turns.

Two minutes of silence for the defenders of Ft. Siamang.

	16-04-2004 21:44									#522
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Hi fellow apes. I am away until Sunday. If the save shows up and we can sit on it until then - great. Otherwise, H-E and con - all yours.

	18-04-2004 09:06									#523
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Python Retreated.
I see 7 COD horsemen & 3 spearmen.

This is an easy turn I suppose..

Cats to bomb the road, so Python swords cant attack us in one turn.

I'd prefer we put workers/warriors on monkey island and create a sea wall.
Our Mercs are needed on the main continent.

I also think we do a mass email out (personalised to each team) begging for help.

I doubt any would provide military help, but one of them may help us out with tech.
Invention would be nice, as we will have longbowmen for counter attacks.

Con.. you can play or I can.
There isnt much to do.

	18-04-2004 09:41									#524
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I just played it guys ...

There was nothing special to do ...

We knocked out the road

We have contact with everyone except the Latin Lovers :hmm:

MAST is probably our best bet to get techs from.
We may have an affinity with them.
They suck as much as us....but we have an excuse - war.

I increased our science.
Republic in 2 turns. (Instead of 7)
I suggest we shut everything off after that.

I left the luxury slider as is, and the taxman in Gorilla.
It made no difference to the NM build.

Regs

http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php...monkey310bc.jpg

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	19-04-2004 03:13									#525
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel I also think we do a mass email out (personalised to each team) begging for help. I doubt any would provide military help, but one of them may help us out with tech. Invention would be nice, as we will have longbowmen for counter attacks.

I agree. I am planning both a one-on-one as well as a public campaign. Time for the Great Simian Crusade, and SPAM to hit the airways.

	19-04-2004 04:09									#526
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Looking at the save - we need to be ready to get mercs onto the mountains east of Orang. I expect the horse stack is coming that way.

AND - an idea. I like your science approach H_E. And as we are probably well behind the others in tech right now - how about we accept sealed sell offers for Polytheism and Constructionn. Whoever offers the lowest cash price to us gets the sale. We can generate a fair cash flow, and I'm sure someone would like to get some cash for old techs.

	19-04-2004 05:34									#527
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I'd see if anyone wants to give them for free.

Make it out, as though we dont expect to hold out for too long, and we are looking for a white knight to help us out.
Someone who we will expect us to become their vassal when we get driven off the continent.

Or even just push the stability line.
With 2 aligned civs on our continent, they will become a powerhouse team.
What better to screw that up, than to support a minor power with some free tech.

Then if that all fails, we offer to purchase the techs.

	19-04-2004 20:24									#528
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I concur with H_E on this, lets try the sympathy, watch out for the powerhouse duo route, then lets pay for techs.

Sorry I have not been around much lately. The wife was gone last week and I was on a major home improvement mission.

Three bedrooms and the den, living room and kitchen ceilings got painted

Plus the usual got to vut the grass and do sprong yard work stuff.

Im back now though

	21-04-2004 02:16									#529
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It was Truth or Dare in the American Imperialists forum at MZO today.

I got some info out of Arrian

First of all he said our core was solid and he was surprised we did so well with our $hitty land. Which if you look at it we had the $hittiest peice in this entire demo game. He even asked me if E_T helped us out with the core plan. MAST was *****ing today and I pointed out they had three bonus tiles to work and could have had a fourth by REXing out one more ring. And we had NONE!

I told him the core plan was mainly H_E and me and we had to fight Beta tooth and nail over it


Second of all CoD did not want the war initially, it was initiated by Monty and our good friend Sir Ralph, who then dumped it on Octavian_X. So I wonder what the motivator was from Sir Ralph........... He said they finally went along with it because they could see the military build up and did not want to become the victum of it.
And why he thought a palace jump to our **** land would be a good thing or Monty.

	21-04-2004 08:58									#530
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save is here

	21-04-2004 09:07									#531
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Anything interesting .. I cant open it for at least another 4 hours.

	21-04-2004 09:30									#532
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Ill open in a few.

	21-04-2004 09:38									#533
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel Anything interesting .. I cant open it for at least another 4 hours.

Nope not really

CoD SoD is forted. 3 of 8 horses at 2 of 4 pips. The rest at 4 of 4, and three 4 of 4 spearman in that stack.

No sign of Monty, must still be healing in Siamang.

We are building all NM's except in one city. Shouldn't we build a few more cats?

I love arty

And why is one galley hanging by Horsie Island?

Its need to be staged for EVAC.

	21-04-2004 10:26									#534
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I know you guys wanted a Merc on the island.
But I would prefer a warrior.

I'd rather switch him with the one in Macaque ?
If we are making a stand on the mainland, then lets have every available merc here fighting.


We need a mix of cats & mercs.
I like some more mercs to replace our losses from Siamang. But in the non-barrack cities we can do cats.


It also depends of what CoD & Python are going to do. If they bypass our new fort across the hills, we will get a few shots at them with Cats....so more cats.

But if we think they are going to attack the fort.. then we want more mercs.

	21-04-2004 16:37									#535
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290bc Turn Played

Yes - not much to do.

3 mercs out this turn - forgot to name them. They headed to the front.

I also moved one into the mountains east of Orangutan. We need to have a merc on the mountain top currently claimed by our warrior in case the CoD horse stack moves that way.

Loaded Monkey Island merc and he is headed for land. Loaded Zena from Macaque and she is headed for Monkey island.

Moved Elite Joe north from Chimpnazee. Cottage Joe can take his place.

Moved some wf's around.

The three northen cities all produce mercs in 3 turns.

Barracks built in PC. Merc's every 2nd turn out of PC now.

Added worker Churchill to The Holy Grill pop and rushed walls.

Republic done next turn.

Worker in south moved to unimproved grassland tile south of Gibbon.

Baboon also produces a merc in 2.

Chimpnazee and Giibbon cat's in 2.

So - do we move the 3 warriors out of the Grill to a port city to transfer them to Monkey Island?

	21-04-2004 21:30									#536
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quote: Originally posted by Beta 290bc Turn Played So - do we move the 3 warriors out of the Grill to a port city to transfer them to Monkey Island?

Ok I guess I dont have a problem with the NM going back but I would like to have two warriors on Monkey Island just in case.

Thats our refuge, and this thing is far from over.

Sorry about being a nervous Nelly but we still dont know where those CoD galleys are.

And cats, I see all but one city producing NM's, Im thinking we need or two more cities producing cats.

Because I love flinging poo of course.

What do you guys think?

Last count I think we already had 11 NM;s in The Holy Grill and several more headed that way this turn.

	22-04-2004 03:41									#537
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Chimpnazee and Giibbon cat's in 2. So - do we move the 3 warriors out of the Grill to a port city to transfer them to Monkey Island?

Hi con. Two cities are producing catapults.

And I agree. We can probably pull our warriors out and move them to the island. Along with another worker and the warrior out in 4 turns, we could have the entire island covered against invasion.

And I too am worried about where their galleys got to.

	22-04-2004 05:40									#538
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Hi con. Two cities are producing catapults.

Hey Beta great, something tells me that is a good mix, one not enough, three amybe to many, two is good

quote: Originally posted by Beta And I agree. We can probably pull our warriors out and move them to the island. Along with another worker and the warrior out in 4 turns, we could have the entire island covered against invasion. And I too am worried about where their galleys got to.

Ok good but I do not want that island uncovered for too long. Like you agreed Im worried about the location of the galleys and Ive heard Arrian mention our Horsie Island too many times in the last couple days at MZO when we were doing "truth or dare". The Horsie Island is on the mind of at least CoD.

Octavian_X has mentioned it as well more than once.

They know its there and they know its strategic for us. And that Arrian is a sneaky bastard But a great guy

	22-04-2004 06:13									#539
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